SC - Columbia - Sheriff Slams Female Student to Floor In Class - #2

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so its a money thing for you?
those kids were learning, supposedly, algebra 1 on chromebooks

did you see the end of the video where the kid filming it showed his test scored with all the answers marked wrong?

I think that Algebra one is a requirement for graduation. These kids NEED the lesson time to learn the equations so they can graduate. It was selfish for the student to be so disruptive and take away the entire lesson that day. JMO
 
I personally would be willing to have my taxes increased to fund safe and effective residential "reform schools" for students who are not willing or able to participate in traditional public schools due to their behavior or criminal history.

I agree that these kinds of students need to be removed from mainstream classrooms, but still educated and monitored.

But I don't know if this student is one of those who need to be permanently removed. I doubt it-- it's unlikely she would be a senior if she had that kind of history. She is probably salvageable for graduation within a year or so, with good support.

But I also do think that part of our national problem with public education is this idea that the bar is far too high to remove chronic problem students from mainstream classrooms. That disadvantages ALL students when the problem kids remain.

I also think this disturbing new trend to "not report" criminal activity by students on school property to law enforcement, so as to skew the statistics and make it appear crime is dropping, is more harmful overall, than helpful.
 
I think that Algebra one is a requirement for graduation. These kids NEED the lesson time to learn the equations so they can graduate. It was selfish for the student to be so disruptive and take away the entire lesson that day. JMO

BBM. And that is a huge problem, IMO. Algebra 1 should not be a graduation requirement for all students. That is wishful thinking at it's finest.
 
BBM. And that is a huge problem, IMO. Algebra 1 should not be a graduation requirement for all students. That is wishful thinking at it's finest.
with what should that requirement be replaced?
 
I agree. Here's the thing. If they no longer allow large male teachers who are able to step in and break up fights, or step in and pull unruly students into the office, they need cops.

They DON'T need cops if we can go back to the day when large male teachers were able to step in and physically intervene and break up misbehavior.

Public schools invite EVERYONE. That means, there will be people who require physical intervention to enforce civil behavior. There is nowhere else in the US where EVERYONE is invited in, where there isn't someone allowed to grab people and force them to behave.

Honestly. Can anyone think of a single venue where everyone is welcome, where a police presence can't intervene physically?

If public schools were allowed the same privilege as private schools, that if you act this way you won't be able to come back, problem solved. The problem here is, they can't refuse to educate her. They have to.


Public schools can survive without cops being called in to resolve classroom or hallway disputes, fights, or even worse.

My mother, by choice, for many years taught in an elementary school in an extremely under privileged area. Every fall before school began construction crews had to smooth over bullet holes shot both inside and outside the school. She was physically attacked more than once by the fourth graders she taught, an absolutely common place occurrence in that school.

And yet....she never struck back, nor did her colleagues, nor did the principal. It was against the law, for one, which the students were well aware of.

If cops had been in the school they would have been arresting and and hauling out students daily. Instead every teacher had to deal with the reality of being defenseless against likely assault, which made for an extremely difficult and unpleasant work environment, but one in which they learned how to manage chaos without resorting to violence.
 
with what should that requirement be replaced?

Discrete math, consumer math, vocational focus math, etc.

This idea that "all" students should be "prepared" for a 4 year university with algebra, chemistry, and physics is ridiculous, IMO. That should be an option, not a mandate, IMO. But without that, we have a system of academic "tracking", which is not currently politically correct. (University vs vocational tracking.) The current mandate in many states is "college and career ready" for graduation.
 
BBM. And that is a huge problem, IMO. Algebra 1 should not be a graduation requirement for all students. That is wishful thinking at it's finest.

Huh? Algebra 1 is a freshman course here. It most definitely needs to be a graduation requirement. Good lord. Maybe we should just make sure our kids can read Dr. Suess annd Dick and Jane books to graduate. That'll llearn us.
 
Discrete math, consumer math, vocational focus math, etc.

This idea that "all" students should be "prepared" for a 4 year university with algebra, chemistry, and physics is ridiculous, IMO. That should be an option, not a mandate, IMO. But without that, we have a system of academic "tracking", which is not currently politically correct. (University vs vocational tracking.) The current mandate in many states is "college and career ready" for graduation.

There are many high schools in texas that also offer a trade over college ready stuff. I personally don't gaf as long as they are doing something with themselves after high school.
 
Huh? Algebra 1 is a freshman course here. It most definitely needs to be a graduation requirement. Good lord. Maybe we should just make sure our kids can read Dr. Suess annd Dick and Jane books to graduate. That'll llearn us.

It is definitely not "politically correct" to notice that this senior student was in an Algebra 1 course, but it is indicative that she has had academic difficulties, IMO.

Algebra 1 is a mainstream 8th grade course in my public school district.
 
Huh? Algebra 1 is a freshman course here. It most definitely needs to be a graduation requirement. Good lord. Maybe we should just make sure our kids can read Dr. Suess annd Dick and Jane books to graduate. That'll llearn us.

I'd be happy if the majority of graduates were proficient in basic adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing, percents, and decimals.

Ever notice that anymore, in ordinary society, simple things like calculating a 10 to 20% tip on a restaurant bill are now "suggested" price points at the bottom of the bill? Or, in a store, a 30% sale now has a list of prices with the original price and the 30% discount? And that pretty much no sales cashier can actually count change back to a customer unless the machine does it for them? How many people really understand the impact of monthly interest on their credit card bills? Etc.

We mandate algebra for graduation, but neglect to instill basic consumer math skills, IMO.

But I guess this is straying pretty far off topic now! I'll cease.
 
It is definitely not "politically correct" to notice that this senior student was in an Algebra 1 course, but it is indicative that she has had academic difficulties, IMO.

Algebra 1 is a mainstream 8th grade course in my public school district.

I'm nnot specifically callling her out for being in algebra 1 class. My comment was tto whomever said algebra shouldn't be a graduating requirement. It should be.
 
I'd be happy if the majority of graduates were proficient in basic adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing, percents, and decimals.

Ever notice that anymore, in ordinary society, simple things like calculating a 10 to 20% tip on a restaurant bill are now "suggested" price points at the bottom of the bill? Or, in a store, a 30% sale now has a list of prices with the original price and the 30% discount? And that pretty much no sales cashier can actually count change back to a customer unless the machine does it for them? How many people really understand the impact of monthly interest on their credit card bills? Etc.

We mandate algebra for graduation, but neglect to instill basic consumer math skills, IMO.

But I guess this is straying pretty far off topic now! I'll cease.

Maybe where you live. One of my boys is in 7th grade and they are learning basic algebra right now. He's at a charter school where they also learn real history, Latin, grammar, vocabulary and other fun things. It's a classical education that's just not offered in your every day public schools tthat only focus on the state mandated standardized testing. But yes, we are getting off topic now.
 
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You folks know better ... leave race out of it !!
 
In fact, one could argue that if two officers had responded to the classroom situation together, there would have been LESS possibility of an escalation of violence by either the student OR the officer.

I think that scenario would have ended with the 2 officers and the vice principal escorting out the student, who would have walked untouched under her own power to the office. JMO.

:facepalm:So now you want more then one cop to respond to a class room disturbance? Why not just send in a fully equipped SWAT team?:rolleyes:

Do you have any idea of how many videos there are of large groups of cops beating up a single unarmed suspect? More poorly trained cops = more violence. In this situation one cop was too much. The last thing we need is more cops there.
 
BBM. And that is a huge problem, IMO. Algebra 1 should not be a graduation requirement for all students. That is wishful thinking at it's finest.


Algebra I is 8th grade curriculum in my state (at least at my DD's former middle school) despite the fact that we are abysmally deficient in comparison to the rest of the nation. (Thank you Governor Jindal) And 180 years ago, when I was in school(not in Louisiana, thankfully) algebra I was standard for ninth grade math.

But I was raised with two parents neither of whom died. And no matter the reason, are some posters saying that because she was a senior who was taking Algebra I, she was obviously deserving of the beating she received, because, wink wink Algebra I?

If only smart people counted, Fox news would be defunct.
 
Hypotthetical for tthose not wanting SROs in school. If your the teacher, how do you handle this situation? You've already told the student to put the phone away. She doesn't listen. Do you conttinue to beg and plead with her? At what point do you ask for back up from the principal or vp? At what point does your authority and dignity go out the window because this studentt is so defiant? What do you do?
 
Public schools can survive without cops being called in to resolve classroom or hallway disputes, fights, or even worse.

My mother, by choice, for many years taught in an elementary school in an extremely under privileged area. Every fall before school began construction crews had to smooth over bullet holes shot both inside and outside the school. She was physically attacked more than once by the fourth graders she taught, an absolutely common place occurrence in that school.

And yet....she never struck back, nor did her colleagues, nor did the principal. It was against the law, for one, which the students were well aware of.

If cops had been in the school they would have been arresting and and hauling out students daily. Instead every teacher had to deal with the reality of being defenseless against likely assault, which made for an extremely difficult and unpleasant work environment, but one in which they learned how to manage chaos without resorting to violence.

Right. But those were 4th graders. Are High School teachers supposed to grapple with 17 and 18 yr olds?
 
:facepalm:So now you want more then one cop to respond to a class room disturbance? Why not just send in a fully equipped SWAT team?:rolleyes:

Do you have any idea of how many videos there are of large groups of cops beating up a single unarmed suspect? More poorly trained cops = more violence.In this situation one cop was too much. The last thing we need is more cops there.


The Facts About Dangers Of Added Police In Schools

Research to date has demonstrated that it is counterproductive for public safety goals to add more police to schools. In order to reduce violence and promote educational objectives, it is far more effective to provide the nation’s children with the necessary resources to support their emotional, mental, and scholastic development through strong school environments.

Since 1999, the Department of Justice’s COPS Office has awarded over $750 million to more than 3,000 grantees, resulting in the hiring of more than 6,500 SROs.

At the same time that more police have been added to schools, mental health services and funding for guidance counselors and school psychologists has been reduced to historic lows. Yet, a common thread in recent mass shootings is the undetected or untreated signs of mental health disorders despite signs of trouble displayed by the shooters. In the 2008-2009 school year, 5,246 law enforcement officers were placed in New York City’s public schools, while only 3,152 guidance counselors were employed.

More at link:
http://sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/jj_Police in Schools Fact Sheet.pdf
 
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