Found Deceased SC - Faye Marie Swetlik, 6, Cayce, 10 Feb 2020 #4

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Hope4More said:
But have to say my first and second thought was the possibility of a 3rd party who knew what had happened, ultimately moved her body to where it would be found, and then unilaterally bypassed the legal & judicial systems.
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I think there are a few possibilities. Police have said the two deaths are linked, so the male is not just a random death. Some ideas, in order of likelihood IMO:
A) Perpetrator felt police closing in and decided to off himself.
B) Perpetrator killed an innocent party and framed them for the murder of Faye, putting evidence in their trash.
C) Two people were involved in the crime and one decided to off the other to try to make them the sole fall guy as police closed in.
D) Innocent third party came across the scene of the crime and "bypassed the legal & judicial systems" (doesn't explain how Faye got in the woods, seems unlikely to me).
Simply because these types of possibilities exist, I think police are waiting to see whose DNA shows up on Faye and other related evidence.
 
PommyMommy said:
FEB 14, 2020
The massive search for Faye Swetlik ends near where it began — steps from her home
[...]

On Friday afternoon, Faye’s missing person flyer still hung in the doors of a few of Cayce’s gas stations. ...

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It’s a close-knit type of town, said FM. A family-type of place.

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On Tuesday morning, he removed the block lettering of his business sign. It said something about cold weather and antifreeze, but none of that didn’t matter anymore.

“Pray for Faye,” it now says on one side. His wife, Donna, wrote “God Bless Faye!” on the other.

It was a small thing, he knows. Just 24 letters.

But as he rearranged the letters, he thought that maybe, just maybe, the family would drive by and find some comfort on the sign. A moment of relief might help, he thought, and it’s all that he could do.

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TD didn’t know Faye’s name until Monday evening, but she knew her face.

She said the always-smiling girl sat at her Waffle House counter on Saturday mornings. Her order was a waffle, no syrup. She dipped pieces into butter instead.

Faye was at that Waffle House on Saturday, Dyches said. It is so close to her house that she could have walked there.

They talked about how Faye’s next stop was a music shop. She was going to buy her cousin new guitar strings for his birthday.

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When TD finished her shift Friday afternoon, she decided to do something for Faye. She worried that it might be corny or silly or too small to matter. That worry faded in a moment.

She packed up a waffle for her. She placed it next to a unicorn stuffed animal at the Churchill Heights memorial.

Dyches would drive home next. Her two boys, 10 and 8, would be back from school soon.

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It was a sunny, warm Friday afternoon. They would want to play in their back yard, she was sure of it. Maybe they’d want to ride their bikes.

She would sit outside with them, no matter what they wanted to do. She would keep them in her sight.

She would never be more than just steps away.
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You know it’s a bad case when mention of a waffle dipped in butter can make you bawl. Devastated.
 
bigsmallnerd said:
i agree with this 100%. This sounds about right. I know the whole “looks can be deceiving” BUT looking at his recent photo news has shared he appears to be the type that would be targeted in prison and he had no chance on a cushy life behind prison walls. So he took the only easy way out.

Also, IMO... he was quite smart. Like... really smart. He’s a math major.. graduated top of his class. 2 colleges. He’s not your typical predator/offender. But that’s jmho. Hope I don’t get in trouble for that. It’s what my gut tells me.
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Thank you.

I respectfully disagree on one part of your post though. There simply isnt one profile for pedophiles.

No matter how intelligent or highly college educated they are it does not immune them from being a pedophile, and/or murderer of children.

David Westerfield was highly educated, and a very successful mechanical engineer. It didnt immune Danielle Van Dam from being kidnapped from her home, raped, and murdered by him.

Imo, these creeps come from all walks of life including intelligent levels, and different financial successes.

There isn't one shoe fits all. That's why they are so terrifying, and dangerous to society's children because no one knows WHO they are, WHERE they are or when they will strike without warning.

Joseph Duncan is one of the most prolific serial pedophile murderers in recent times. He was extremely intelligent with college in his background. Yet he kidnapped, raped, and murdered many innocent children in several states. JD even was so determine to rape both little boys, and girls he murdered three family members in order to kidnap 8 year old Shasta, and 11 year old Dylan. He raped both Dylan, and Shasta repeatedly on a daily basis until he murdered Dylan 6 weeks later.

I think it may make us feel safer if we think pedophiles come in one size fits all, but the brutal truth is they aren't just one type. They actually often dont look like monsters either even though they are. They are anywhere, and everywhere hiding in plain sight. Some caught before, but some never caught, and some hopefully caught before they resort to murder.

If Shasta Greone had not lived JED would have continued his serial rapes, and murders. Even though LE said the home of the Greone family was the worst blood bath they had ever seen due to him bludgeoning all three victims to death with a mighty max hammer he left no evidence of himself behind. LE in Idaho had no clue who he even was until he told them 7 weeks later when he brought Shasta home. No one had any idea he was an absconded level three sex offender of small children. To this day the FBI are unable to unlock his encrypted online journal. He was that smart.

Imo, most vile deviant pedophile offenders, both males, and females prey on their own innocent defenseless children. The millions of sexually abused victims are from very well to do rich families, upper or middle class or are poor. These kind of deadly predators hide behind the masks they want everyone to believe them to be, and not how rotten they truly are. Their victims are the least likely to ever tell the hell they have endured for years behind closed doors. Rarely do they have to murder their victims because they rule by instilling paralyzing fear, and control.

Like I've mentioned before I believe more, and more pedophiles are out there. I've read extensively how kiddie *advertiser censored* worldwide is a billion dollar business each year. So there are a lot of sickos in our midst. I also believe the targeted victims will become younger, and younger.

Like serial killer, Ted Bundy said, looking at *advertiser censored* no longer satisfied him so he wanted to make it his reality.

The same thing is going to happen to the sickos who get deviant satisfaction watching children being horribly sexually abused including now even the raping of infants, both tiny boys, and girls.

Imo, that is why we have seen an uptick in moms selling their children to known pedophiles or sexually assaulting their own little children while video taping it all so they can sell it to other pedophiles online.

I'm so terrified for children now. They aren't really safe outside their homes nor are many even safe inside of their own homes.

It seems like not a day can pass without me seeing horrific news stories involving little children, and so many of the stories involve horrible abuses in all sadistic forms, or another child has been murdered with many of the abuses, murders done by their own parent in gruesome overkill ways.

When we have over 6 million boys, and girls abused each year it really shows what an epidemic we truly have in our country against children.

Now we are experiencing sex trafficking in exploding numbers creating more and more young victims.

So the odds are against so many children in our society. If a stranger pedophile doesnt kidnap them...they still aren't safe since many pedophiles live with them. Now the traffickers are preying on them to be sex slaves. My heart breaks for them all no matter who their predators are.

Jmho
 
boomburger said:
LE wouldn't have made any statement if they thought the perp was still alive. They felt the need to say the public was safe. That is hugely telling.
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That's not necessarily the case. This is their standard response. They make the same general statement any time their has been a murder usually adding that the public should always be vigilant and aware, as there is always a potential for danger.
The only exception I have seen is when they believe they are dealing with a serial killer, and even then they are hesitant so as not to cause a panic.

Jmo
 
boomburger said:
LE wouldn't have made any statement if they thought the perp was still alive. They felt the need to say the public was safe. That is hugely telling.
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MsBetsy said:
That's not necessarily the case. This is their standard response. They make the same general statement any time their has been a murder usually adding that the public should always be vigilant and aware, as there is always a potential for danger.
The only exception I have seen is when they believe they are dealing with a serial killer, and even then they are hesitant so as not to cause a panic.
Jmo
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Just as a hypothetical, IF police believed there was a third party involved who killed the male and framed him, and they had that person identified & under 24/7 surveillance (or were even currently questioning them or holding them for an unrelated misdemeanor, etc.), I assume they would still say there was no immediate threat to the public -- so as to not tip their hat to the person under surveillance. Just saying, the deceased male being the perp isn't the ONLY reason they'd say there was no immediate threat to the public.
 
bellyup said:
It’s kinda of driving me crazy because I can make arguments from known facts and statements that the man killed himself but can also do the same for the thought that someone killed him. And neither feels like a reach.

I would really think if it were an obvious suicide that LE would have stated “it appears he took his own life” but they didn’t. Something held them back from it. Combined with the request to know more about him and them saying they want to make sure no one else is involved ; I can’t help but think this may not be as obvious as it seems.
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LE and the Coroner have reserved all comment about cause of death until the autopsy is performed, today (Saturday 2/15).

However, their comments that the death is linked by evidence found in the deceased's trash can (paraphrase) leads us to believe that there was reason to suspect the deceased was involved in Faye's disappearance.

The timeline of the investigation that was detailed in the press conference, paints the picture that investigators were going back to the trash cans in the neighborhood, directly following the trash pick up (probably scheduled for every Thursday). They have previously searched trash cans on Wednesday, the day prior (looked for links but most have been updated to the most recent info.) Knowing the trash schedule, there is reason to believe that someone may have tried to discard evidence just before trash pickup. They thought it would be taken straight from pickup to landfill because they had already been searched.

Once investigators had returned to 602 Piccadilly Square, they could be seen removing evidence from the trash can that directly linked the address to the disappearance. From this, they would have had a warrant as soon as they could get to the nearest judge.

They zeroed in on the area directly behind the residence, described as a "wooded area" between the residence and the Napa Auto Store. In our area of South Carolina, even a small wooded area can become incredibly overgrown and difficult to navigate through. It was in this area that the victim was discovered.

I imagine the resident, Coty Scott Taylor (identified by the coroner and MSM) must have seen the investigation turning in on his home, and decided to act quickly to avoid apprehension.

There have been many questions as to why the perp might have moved the body, if he intended to commit suicide. I don't think there is a clear answer nor will their ever be, but one refer to the research about the psychology of these types of criminals. There is a lot of research on the subject of child abduction and proximity to the victims home, initial contact, murder, and body recovery sites. Turns out the evidence supported the research in this case, and LE followed this pattern in investigating this disappearance. They used the statistics and probably other evidence not disclosed to the public as of yet to determine that the neighborhood was their best lead in bringing Faye home.

I worried at first that is was mistake because of how close the neighborhood was to the interstate, and that it would have been a prime target area for this type of crime. But there must have been other evidence to support the idea that Faye had never left the neighborhood, they couldn't have relied on statistics alone. It will be interesting to see what is disclosed in the coming days.

I found these two reports very helpful in understanding the LE approach to this investigation. Both are official reports published by U.S. Department of Justice Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

If only my grandfather, who spent 40 years in The Bureau were still here, I would have loved to pick his brain.

Still praying for Faye, and all that loved her.
https://agportal-s3bucket.s3.amazon...uction_Murder_Research/CMIIReport-Summary.pdf

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/201253NCJRS.pdf
 
MsBetsy said:
No-one here is defending the mindset of a killer. From what I could tell the OP was simply stating the fact that killers can experience emotions like any other human. And yes, it is possible for them to feel guilt.

In fact investigators can often tell things about the relationship between the killer and victim from the method used or the way the body was discarded or positioned. For example, a child wrapped in their favorite blanket might indicate a close relationship.

Of course there are psychopaths who kill who have no ability to feel empathy towards their victims. I think the point was we can't just clump all killers into one category. The human mind is complex. Killers do have the ability to feel and can actually feel very strong emotion towards their victims. This is common in many intimate- partner homicides.

Even in this case there may be clues for investigators that indicate the relationship or motive behind the murder.

Jmo
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VERY WELL SAID.
 
I imagine they are going thru Coty's computer with a fine-toothed comb. Make sure he was never in Delphi. And take his fingerprints and DNA and run them thru the databases. Serial killers are not generally on the police radar.
 
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HaikuMommy said:
Just as a hypothetical, IF police believed there was a third party involved who killed the male and framed him, and they had that person identified & under 24/7 surveillance (or were even currently questioning them or holding them for an unrelated misdemeanor, etc.), I assume they would still say there was no immediate threat to the public -- so as to not tip their hat to the person under surveillance. Just saying, the deceased male being the perp isn't the ONLY reason they'd say there was no immediate threat to the public.
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Also along those same lines someone could be held on unrelated charges
 
Sweetsbeach said:
There were a few posts that had a defensive element and compassion for someone who would do this to a child. I am not the only one who noticed.

I never brought up the ability or inability to feel emotions. I was and still am talking about this case and those predators who kidnap, most likely assault and murder children and the position that they are monsters. When someone posted about the perp murdering Faye because he was concerned about her re-living the trauma of his possible sexual assault, it really rubbed me the wrong way.

I agree that we definitely can't clump all killers together. But we aren't talking about all types of killers. And we aren't discussing a case about an intimate-partner homicide. We are talking about whoever did this to little Faye. JMO
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The question was asked as to why the killer would have killed the victim, if he intended to commit suicide and therefore not worried about apprehension. Read. Research. Respond.
 
JudgeJoe said:
That escort is all the way from coroner in Charleston to Cayce? That’s about 110 miles & 2½ hours.
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Yep, and they're going the entire distance.
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MOO
 
Hope4More said:
Is it known whether or not Faye's body was moved (to where it would be found, imo) BEFORE her neighbor died, in whatever manner he did?

The simplest, most straightforward guess based on what has & hasn't been said by LE is that this was a murder-suicide, which is why they were OK with telling the community there was no need for concern. Crossing their i's, being careful and thorough, and as transparent as they are able, while also protecting their ongoing investigation.

But have to say my first and second thought was the possibility of a 3rd party who knew what had happened, ultimately moved her body to where it would be found, and then unilaterally bypassed the legal & judicial systems.
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I had thought of a third party but not about vigilante justice. That would also make sense as to their statements of the public being safe.

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JudgeJoe said:
That escort is all the way from coroner in Charleston to Cayce? That’s about 110 miles & 2½ hours.
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And I'd guarantee that anyone other than the usual accompaniment was a volunteer.
 
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JMO, how could they have known with such certainty that she was still in the neighborhood from the beginning, one thought is that police dogs may have followed her scent which ended at the block of townhomes of CT. They may have strongly suspected that she was somewhere in those 6-8 townhouses and they searched those homes under threat of getting a search warrant but didn’t find her. Somehow CT had her hidden right there under their nose. In talking to him and realizing he was a single weird guy he was probably under suspicion already. They were not letting anything come and go from those townhomes including trash
 
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