GUILTY SC - Five Jones children, ages 1-8, Lexington County, 28 Aug 2014 *Father Arrested*

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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 42m42 minutes ago
    Travis is on the stand giving a detailed list of Google and YouTube searches that Jones looked up the days after the murder. He’s also going over what he purchased on his credit card.

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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 22m22 minutes ago
    Court adjourns for the day after Travis steps down from the stand.

    NO COURT MONDAY due to Memorial Day, so testimony will pick up Tuesday morning.
     
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    Grandmother of Timothy Jones Jr. testifies in his trial

    May 24, 2019

     
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    ‘He was a good person’: Grandmother of SC man accused in children’s slayings testifies (with clip)

    May 24, 2019

    "LEXINGTON COUNTY, S.C. (WIS) - The grandmother of a Lexington County man accused of brutally killing his children in 2014 took the stand in his defense on Friday, telling the jury stories of his troubled upbringing and mentally ill mother.

    Roberta Thornsberry is the paternal grandmother of Timothy Jones Jr. and testified to serving as his primary caregiver during his childhood. As a baby, she told the jury Jones was neglected by his mother, who often deprived him of food, bathed him in cold water, and left him in soiled diapers for hours. After several attempts to kidnap Jones and run away, Thornsberry said her son, Jones’ father, received custody and Jones’ mother was institutionalized for schizophrenia....

    She testified to caring for Jones while his father was working but admitted to the jury alcohol and drug use plagued the family home, often resulting in frequent visits from police — something Jones was exposed to at an early age.

    When Jones was 15, he suffered a traumatic brain injury after being involved in a car accident, but Thornsberry told jurors she did not notice any differences in Jones’ behavior after the wreck, testifying he continued to score above the state average on standardized tests while in high school.

    When he was 19, Jones went to prison for several convictions including drug possession and, when he got out, his grandmother said she noticed a big shift in his life.

    “Religion, he couldn’t talk to you without relating it to the Bible,” she said. “He tried to tell me my church and my beliefs wouldn’t get me into heaven, he really forced religion on you.”...

    Testimony will resume at 9 a.m. on Tuesday."

    ‘He was a good person’: Grandmother of SC man accused in children’s slayings testifies
     
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    Timothy Jones Jr. trial: May 24, 2019 | testimony in trial of man accused of killing his children.

    WARNING: May contain objectionable language and graphic descriptions.

     
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    Defense presents case in trial of SC father charged with killing his 5 children (with clip)

    May 24, 2019

    "LEXINGTON, S.C. — Defense testimony continues Friday in the trial of Timothy Jones, Jr. Testimony....

    During Friday's testimony, jurors heard the words of Jones himself, when prosecutors played the alleged confession tape made two days after his arrest. In it, Jones described killing each child one by one. He said one child told him he loved him before he died. Another asked if he could go with his father to wherever he was going.

    Jones broke down in tears multiple times as the recording was played. At the end of the recording, an investigator asks him if there's anything he'd like to say, and he said 'God I'm sorry.'...

    An 18-person jury, made up of 10 women and 8 men will decide Timothy Ray Jones Jr.'s guilt or innocence in the murder of his five children: Elaine, 1; Gabriel Jones, 2; Nahtahn Jones, 6; Elias Jones, 7; and Mera Gracie Jones, 8."

    Defense presents case in trial of SC father charged with killing his 5 children
     
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    Is anyone getting the sense that they are trying to work religion into the defense? IMO
     
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    So his parents were not together when he was born? I keep hearing about his mother mistreated him but was his father not living with them? And his father (Sr) got custody and paternal grandmother was the primary caregiver.
     
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    The ONLY way I can see that being a defense is if he wants to claim he killed his kids so they could go to heaven. Other than that, I mean I guess it could go to mental illness?
     
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    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 1h1 hour ago
    Jury comes back into the courtroom. Up on the stand is Roberta Thornsberry, Timothy Jones's grandmother. She helped raise Timothy when he was a child.

    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Thornsberry says Jones's mom "was nutty", saying she would bathe Tim in cold water and feed him laxatives since she "didn't want a fat baby."

    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 2h2 hours ago
    Roberta Thornsberry refers to Cinthia, the mother of #TimothyJones, as "nutty" @wachfox #TimothyJonesTrial

    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 2h2 hours ago
    Thornsberry says Jones' mother is "nuttier than a fruitcake," adding she was never a mother to him. @wis10

    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 1h1 hour ago
    Thornsberry says Jones insisted that they "hid his mother away" and was upset that he couldn't see her.
    Thornsberry found her at a hospital in Syracuse, and arranged a meeting.
    Jones ended up meeting his mother, but he didn't want her to meet his children.

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    Well. Wow. This woman raised Tim. Not exactly educated or informed about mental illness. Explains quite a bit.

    Could definitely explain why Tim might have felt his mother was hidden from him, may have just assumed they didn't like her.

    It also might explain how some signs were missed if Tim was displaying signs of mental illness but they weren't knowledgeable.

    Or, if Tim simply didn't tell them. If mental illness was referred to this way while you were growing up, you'd not show the signs of it either!

    Plus I'm guessing that they felt precious Timmy couldn't possibly be mentally ill since they had rescued him and all.
     
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    I have always wondered about religion and schizophrenia, I can't say what I have actually seen, but schizophrenics definitely take religion seriously. I feel badly for this Mother, she left her children with her spouse, thinking that was best for them.
     
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    Doubtful the defence are looking at religion as his prime defence.

    It acted a double edged sword for Tim due to his underlying pathology. Initially combined with his capacity for highly literal understanding and rigidity meant once he became committed to those beliefs and found a new sense of purpose it initially reassured , even calmed by the direction he was able to remain unwavering and sustain the general guidance to many reforming behaviours.The religion facilitated improved goal directed behaviours.
    The reality it was easiest for Tim to establish and focus on region while in prison where the environment is structured without the magnitude of challenges provided by living in the real world and the multitude of interpersonal relating options or complicated options. Tim's religious adherence did permit his initial success in boosting the strengths remaining in academic technical work areas and being a fiscal provider. These positive outcomes meant he could respond at his peak potential relating to others. That is until inevitably his latent deficits would resurface hightened by general typical stressors.

    It is no accident that with Tim's underlying deficits of dramatic brain damage, schizophrenic disease were drawn to selecting the more rigid espoused belief systems contained in highly fundamentalist forms of organised religion. These conditions make those afflicted by their deficits prone to rigid thoughts and responses.

    Tim was even viewed by his initial pastor as while extremely sincere as excessively rigid when it came to any form of applying guiding biblical principles posing serious issues in regard to responding to people, enacting appropriate responses. Since he showed that with congregation members it can be taken for granted this would happen in his famial life with wife and children. He would have set precepts of what ought to happen seemingly backed by his extensive memory of biblical phrases he believed supported his literal understanding never mitigated by real life complexity or even children's developmental stages. It would have contributed to familial marital discord.
    Furthermore, it would add to experiencing divorce as catastrophic aside from his major concern for children experiencing the loss of having both parents.

    Such stressors would escalate Tim's tenuous capacity to contain his deficit prone diseased condition from surfacing more fully. It's not that Tim did not try to the extent he was able to conceptualise as still safe enough to be coping for himself and his children without jeopardising a goal of sole custody in both getting counselling and satisfying the department of children's services, which he did accomplish. Tim, unfortunately was not sufficiently aware as well as understandably inhibited by fear, limited insight of his deficits via damage from injury and schizophrenic disease potential recognise the risks he could pose. Neither the counsellor or children's services were told enough to know either.

    Hence, once Tim was becoming symptomatic, his deseased state delusional interpreted his child's curiosity error of behaviour, meant Tim whilst not recognising his exhausted state in coping with kids on his own adding to heightening frustration, did have a psychotic response misinterpreting the child's motivation. Nothing to do with religion here in reasons given. Tim ended up in psychotic fearful rage where he was without any inhibition to remain measured or in control impelled to react so severely he killed the child. Frantic and still psychotic he killed the remaining children. Were Tim in his more rational state he would have played out help seeking calls to 911 focusing on excuses of not meaning it, coached remaining children to shut up. With 5 dead kids you are doomed as a temporary fugitive. Killing all the children Tim had attachments to needed him to have a significant psychotic break of an extreme frenzied self protectiveness disconnecting to all past feelings of caring and protectiveness to his children.

    There was no religious ideation present, but voices and notions of child potentially out to get him, some past concepts of other children potential out to get him by colluding with child services, not punishing Amber as he was winning re case for custody and that type of act to punish ex is if at risk of loosing and occurs earlier in separation. Tim had become susceptible to increasing distorted thinking in episodic psychotic thoughts and moments.
    While his religiosity confirmed rigid expectations, it restrained him from negative predelictions of substance abuse and illegal reactions.

    As a defence, it's how despite his sincere goals Tim could not carry out his ideology by being impacted through the rigidity ensuing of a mind affected by the disease processes of traumatic brain damage , schizophrenic traits signaling impairments disabling goals of church leadership roles despite his sincerity in faith and extensive biblical scripture knowledge in demonstrated applicability.

    That's what my guess is in regard to where religion looks to fit and all the defence can do with it in Tim's case.
     
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    Personally, my money is still on Axis II and controlling issues. But I am fully aware that this may well be because I don't want to even think about an insanity ruling and this man flitting back into society at a treatment team's whim, one day. So I am praying for a life time of incarceration. Five children. FIVE.

    Oh and
    Welcome!!!
    Servalcat :)
     
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    Schizotypal Personality Disorder; Jones is neither mentally ill nor a candidate for treatment.
     
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    Dr. Lipman now being cross examined, Mays good point driven home so far (imo) that Dr. Lipman never actually met defendant and also that he has no direct evidence Jones was using synthetic marijuana at time of murders.
     
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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV


    Henry explains a report from DSS months later saying there was a "substantial risk of physical abuse" in the Jones home, but no additional action from DSS was needed.

    Henry is the retired social worker on the stand who made home visits.
    My shoes just about fall off with statements like these.
     
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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 4h4 hours ago
    Back in the Lexington County Courthouse for Day Ten of the Timothy Jones murder trial. The Defense is expected to continue calling witnesses later into the week.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 4h4 hours ago
    The Defense starts the day by calling Dr. Jonathan J. Lippman, a neuropharmacologist who also teaches at East Tennessee State University.
    Lippman's testimony was recorded earlier last week.


    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 3h3 hours ago
    Day 10 of the Timothy Jones Jr. is underway in Lexington County this morning. First up, we're watching prerecorded testimony from Dr. Jonathan Lipman, a neuro-pharmacologist testifying on behalf of the defense. This testimony is about 2 hours long, we're told. @wis10


    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 3h3 hours ago
    So far, based on Dr. Lipman's review of Jones' mental health history and past drug abuse, he says the use of "spice" likely exacerbated Jones' "mental illness" which resulted in the "irrational behavior." Watch the live stream here >>> https://bit.ly/2QwcLSF @wis10


    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 3h3 hours ago
    Dr. Lipman says the use of marijuana is "gasoline on the fire," for someone suffering from psychosis. While they may feel like it's helping quell their problems, it's actually exacerbating it, he testifies. @wis10


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 3h3 hours ago
    Dr. Jonathan Lipman says (via video testimony) that he believes the drugs #TimothyJones took added to a psychosis the night authorities say he killed his five children #TimothyJonesTrial @wachfox


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Lippman talks about reviewing information concerning Jones's drug use, the effects of his car accident when he was 15, and his psychiatric history.
    He argues that chronic drug use affects, among other things, the development of the brain and liver.


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 3h3 hours ago
    Dr. Lipman also testifies that THC can increase risk of psychosis #timothyjones @wachfox #TimothyJonesTrial


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Lipman goes into more details about the effects of synthetic marijuana (more specifically AB Pinaca), which he says worsened Jones's psychosis.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Lipman points to multiple studies that extensive use of synthetic marijuana could contribute to worsening psychosis, like "gas over a fire.". He thinks it plays a role in what happened to Jones.


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 3h3 hours ago
    Dr. Lipman, "Psychotics don't think they are psychotic..." #TimothyJones #TimothyJonesTrial @wachfox
     
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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Rob Madsen, one of Jones's defense attorneys, shifts his questioning towards Jones's use of Chantix, which could be used to help people quit smoking.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Lipman starts talking about what it means for drugs to be "black-boxed", more specifically why the FDA put its strictest warning on Chantix (due to reports of delusions, hostility). Madsen tries to get Lipman to read the entire warning on the stand, but Judge Griffith blocks it.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    Judge Griffith calls for the tape to be paused, and sends the jury out for a break.


    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 2h2 hours ago

    We're in a short break, but when we return, cross examination of Dr. Lipman will begin. @wis10

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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 3h3 hours ago
    When we return from the break, the Prosecution will begin their cross-examination on Dr. Lipman.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Jury returns to the room, and Deputy Solicitor Suzanne Mays begins her cross-examination on Dr. Lipman (shown here).
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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Mays starts her questioning by focusing on Jones's use of Geodon, an anti-psychotic drug used to treat schizophrenia. Dr. Lipman says he's unsure if Jones's dosage has been increased to the maximum dosage or beyond.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Prosecution goes over a document where Lipman wrote that Jones had severe deficits most likely due to his increased dosage of Geodon. Mays then asks if he was going to testify, wouldn't Lipman want all of Jones's prescription information; Lipman says that would be ideal.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Mays goes over a document saying Jones wanted to be prescribed Chantix again in February 2014, saying that it worked for him before but he stopped taking it. The document also says Jones told doctors he did not experience suicidal thoughts while taking Chantix the first time.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Lipman says under oath that he has never actually met Jones or interviewed him while going over the information in his case.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Mays focuses her questioning on synthetic marijuana, more specifically AB Pinaca, and its side effects. Lipman testified earlier that extensive use of synthetic marijuana made Jones's psychosis worse.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 2h2 hours ago
    Lipman says he has no direct evidence Jones used synthetic marijuana at the time of the murders.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 1h1 hour ago
    Mays tries to hammer home to Lipman, through her questions, that Jones has been an "inconsistent historian". Lipman does say Jones said he used synthetic marijuana two months before the murders, and frequently used it afterwards.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 1h1 hour ago
    Lipman says the information regarding Jones's use of AB Pinaca and Scooby Snax came as a result of "self-reporting" by the defendant.


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 1h1 hour ago
    Deputy Solicitor Suzanne Mays asks Dr. Lipman how much he's being paid for his testimony, he responds $275 an hour and that he's being paid for his time not involvement. Lipman also says he's never met with #TimothyJones @wachfox


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 1h1 hour ago
    Lipman's pre-recorded testimony (which lasted nearly three hours) wraps up, and Judge Griffith calls for a break.
     
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    ABC Columbia‏Verified account @abc_columbia 51m51 minutes ago
    #DEVELOPING: Our @TimScottTV is back in court today as the murder trial continues for Timothy Jones, Jr. #SCNews

    (video clip: ABC Columbia on Twitter )


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 53m53 minutes ago
    Next up on the stand for the defense is Sherri Henry, a retired case worker and investigator for the Department of Social Services in Lexington County.


    aroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 58m58 minutes ago
    We're now hearing from Sherri Henry, a former Lexington County DSS supervisor. She's testifying about three cases opened into the Jones family. @wis10


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 53m53 minutes ago
    A Lexington CO DSS investigator is on the stand now, she testifies she spoke with #TimothyJones about Nahtahn's bruises. She says Jones told her Nahtahn broke a train set and he jerked him up by his shirt, denies putting his hands around his neck. @wachfox #TimothyJonesTrial


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 51m51 minutes ago
    Henry says she met with Nahtahn shortly after DSS was called to Saxe Gotha Elementary School. On the stand, she looks at photographs of the bruises on the six-year-old's neck and arms.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 54m54 minutes ago
    Henry says that Jones got upset with Nahtahn after he claimed he destroyed a model train track he built with the older son, Elias, which led to him getting the bruises on his neck and arms.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 49m49 minutes ago
    When Henry asked about the bruises, Jones told her that he denied ever putting his hands around Nahtahn's neck. Agents did visit the home, but they determined that the children did not need to be removed from the home.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 47m47 minutes ago
    Henry then looks back on when she visited the home on May 15, 2014 to take a glimpse on what the home looked in a "natural state."
    She saw Jones and the children celebrate Merah's birthday with cupcakes.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 44m44 minutes ago
    Henry explains a report from DSS months later saying there was a "substantial risk of physical abuse" in the Jones home, but no additional action from DSS was needed.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 43m43 minutes ago
    A few weeks later, Henry went along with law enforcement to Jones's house to investigate a new complaint surrounding "extensive bruising."
     
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    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 41m41 minutes ago
    Henry remembers Jones "was surprised" when hearing about the new complaint, saying he and the children got back from a vacation. He told Henry that Elias bumped into a door while he was at the babysitter's house.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 33m33 minutes ago
    Defense displays new photographs of Nahtahn and some of the other children. Henry says she also talked with the babysitter to see if she had any concerns about bruising on the children.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 30m30 minutes ago
    After talking about the photographs of the children, Henry says she was not worried about "substantial bruising" after she visited the home.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 23m23 minutes ago
    Suzanne Mays begins her cross-examination on Henry. When asked about her interviews with the older children (including Nahtahn) at Saxe Gotha Elementary, Henry says Nahtahn never told her he was choked, and that the kids were "surprised" to be talking to her.


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 19m19 minutes ago
    After going over the report with Jones, Henry says they resolved that Jones would not get physical with the children and that he would work to keep the home clean.


    Courtney King‏ @CourtReportKing 19m19 minutes ago
    The DSS worker reads the agreement between #TimothyJones and DSS after the visits. Jones agreed to not "wrestle" with the children and to keep the home clean #TimothyJonesTrial @wachfox


    Tim Scott‏ @TimScottTV 37m37 minutes ago
    Henry wraps up her testimony, and Judge Griffith calls for a lunch break. Court set to resume at 2:30.


    Caroline Hecker‏Verified account @CHecker_WIS 36m36 minutes ago

    We’re on a lunch break until 2:30p. During the latest testimony, prosecutors highlighted what could be perceived as major oversights on behalf of DSS when investigating 3 cases in the moths leading up to the children’s deaths. @wis10


     
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