SC - Nine killed in Emanuel AME Church shooting, Charleston; Dylann Roof charged #2

[mysteriew]

Yeah, that and no drug killed nine people at Mother Emanuel. A nut with a gun did.

Nut usually refers to mentally ill. So you think he is mentally ill? I hadn't decided on that yet but you may have a point.

And the gun didn't make the decision, the brain and the finger of the suspect did that. With this type of suspect I have a strong suspicion that if he hadn't got his hands on a weapon, he would have built a pipe bomb.

 

[Nova]

His manifesto is the same talking points you constantly see posted by right wingers.

I can't believe all the defense of the n-word here. Redneck does not have the same historical and negative connotation. The entitlement is strong.

I can't speak for everyone, but in the posts I've read, posters weren't defending the n-word. They were saying that the use of it in that particular context, while ill-advised, was not proof that the speaker was a racist.

 

[Nova]

Everything about that hearing was off. Usually family doesn't speak at the bond hearing, but they were permitted to. He spoke of the suspects family being harmed which rubbed on the the raw nerves of the families who suffered losses.

Many are putting that down to racism. And it may be. But I am not sure it was. I wonder if it couldn't be a combination of things. First he would have read about the family members who called in the reports. He may have been touched by that. Also I think there is a fear of a racial war and he may have misguidedly been trying to use some way of mitigating that. He was misguided and used very poor judgement but I am not convinced it was racism myself. It was the wrong place and too much too soon for that type of sentiment for sure.

VERY sharp analysis/hypothesis as to his possible motive, m!

But I don't agree concern for the Roof family is "misguided", particularly now that we know they didn't buy him the gun. Dylann Roof is 21. Until we learn otherwise, I'm not faulting his family for his actions or even his prejudices. After all, his friends (black and white) insist they saw no sign of overt racism during Dylann's formative years.

 

[Nova]

It refers to a culture.

Technically, a subculture. He was using it as a synonym for "white trash".

 

[Nova]

Nut usually refers to mentally ill. So you think he is mentally ill? I hadn't decided on that yet but you may have a point.

And the gun didn't make the decision, the brain and the finger of the suspect did that. With this type of suspect I have a strong suspicion that if he hadn't got his hands on a weapon, he would have built a pipe bomb.

I absolutely think he is mentally ill in the CLINICAL (i.e., psychiatric) sense. Is he mentally ill in the almost impossibly strict LEGAL definition? Probably not.

I realize a gun is just a tool. But so is a nuclear weapon. I don't think every Tom, Dick and Harry should have the latter either.

 

[mysteriew]

Technically, a subculture. He was using it as a synonym for "white trash".

Lol I know. I am part of that culture.

 

[mysteriew]

I absolutely think he is mentally ill in the CLINICAL (i.e., psychiatric) sense. Is he mentally ill in the almost impossibly strict LEGAL definition? Probably not.

I realize a gun is just a tool. But so is a nuclear weapon. I don't think every Tom, Dick and Harry should have the latter either.

My position is that you can outlaw the weapon. But are you also going to outlaw pipes, pressure cookers and fertilizer? All have been used as weapons of mass destruction before. Most are easily available. Removing guns doesn't solve the problem. They will just use something else.

 

[Nova]

Lol I know. I am part of that culture.

Then I'm sure you've heard the judge's decade-old statement before. I don't know that it was necessary to distinguish between white and black or urban and rural (when the point seems to be been upstanding v. criminal), but I think it's at least possible the judge/magistrate was just using a folksy colloquialism he and I have both heard before (though when I've heard it, some synonym was used in place of the n-word).

Still a bad choice of words, I agree. But removing him from the case AFTER his duties are mostly completed strikes me as silly. I guess South Carolina knows it has an ongoing p.r. problem and is reluctant to add fuel to the fire.

 

[Nova]

My position is that you can outlaw the weapon. But are you also going to outlaw pipes, pressure cookers and fertilizer? All have been used as weapons of mass destruction before. Most are easily available. Removing guns doesn't solve the problem. They will just use something else.

Not to worry. If you buy pipes and enough fertilizer, Homeland Security will call the FBI.

The fact that a solution doesn't solve ALL problems is no reason not to let it solve some.

 

[Montjoy]

Many are putting that down to racism. And it may be. But I am not sure it was. I wonder if it couldn't be a combination of things. First he would have read about the family members who called in the reports. He may have been touched by that. Also I think there is a fear of a racial war and he may have misguidedly been trying to use some way of mitigating that. He was misguided and used very poor judgement but I am not convinced it was racism myself. It was the wrong place and too much too soon for that type of sentiment for sure.

You're pretty much reporting the Fox network's spin on this --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ston-church-massacre-as-attack-on-christians/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/fox-news-charleston-shooting_n_7614126.html

If you read the shooter's manifesto (especially his comments on blacks, and the last portion of the whole, rambling thing), or if you have heard what he told witnesses of the shootings, or what he told police, there really shouldn't be any mystery that this was about racism -- something that he considers a positive force.

 

[mysteriew]

Then I'm sure you've heard the judge's decade-old statement before. I don't know that it was necessary to distinguish between white and black or urban and rural (when the point seems to be been upstanding v. criminal), but I think it's at least possible the judge/magistrate was just using a folksy colloquialism he and I have both heard before (though when I've heard it, some synonym was used in place of the n-word).

Still a bad choice of words, I agree. But removing him from the case AFTER his duties are mostly completed strikes me as silly. I guess South Carolina knows it has an ongoing p.r. problem and is reluctant to add fuel to the fire.

Public pressure caused his removal. He actually did his job pretty fairly IMO. He allowed the family impact statements which is not required, and is unusual. IMO he knew beforehand that they were going to offer forgivness and felt that would go a long way toward calming the public. And he set a high bail for the two charges, even knowing that bail would be irrevelent because DR wouldn't get bail for the murder charges. He did his job.

 

[mysteriew]

You're pretty much reporting the Fox network's spin on this --
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ston-church-massacre-as-attack-on-christians/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/fox-news-charleston-shooting_n_7614126.html

If you read the shooter's manifesto (especially his comments on blacks, and the last portion of the whole, rambling thing), or if you have heard what he told witnesses of the shootings, or what he told police, there really shouldn't be any mystery that this was about racism -- something that he considers a positive force.

Sorry not talking about DR. I wasn't clear on that. I was referring to the judge.

What DR did was definately racism. I also believe it was domestic terrorism, though I don't know if it would be a good idea to charge him with that.

 

[Montjoy]

Sorry not talking about DR. I wasn't clear on that. I was referring to the judge.

What DR did was definately racism. I also believe it was domestic terrorism, though I don't know if it would be a good idea to charge him with that.

Wow, that was quite a misunderstanding on my part, and in retrospect, I think you were plenty clear. My apologies.

 

[starviego]

The suspect's first target was apparently a local college, according to friends:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...illings-spoke-of-attacking-college/ar-AAbQtfs
... the suspect(Dylann Roof) told him a week earlier that he planned to shoot up a college campus in the city. ..."He just said he was going to hurt a bunch of people" at the College of Charleston(CoC), said Scriven, 22.

Four months earlier, on Feb 10, 2015, CoC was the recipient of a phoned-in bomb- and shooting- threat. Listen to the 911 call at this link

http://www.postandcourier.com/assets/mp3/CofC Bomb Threat2.mp3

http://www.charlestonbusiness.com/news/53727-report-caller-also-threatened-to-shoot-people-at-cofc
A man who identified himself as “Zach” called police to say he put a bomb in the college’s Beatty Center and he was thinking about shooting people.

Oddly, even though the caller stayed on the phone for at least five minutes, they were unable to trace the call. Imagine that! Though the local PD got in plenty of good "crisis training."

 

[CathyinTexas]

I am flabbergasted.


He opened the court with his appeal to support Roof's family, adding: 'Nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they are being thrown into.
'We must find it in our heart at some point in time not only to help those that are victims but to also help his family as well.'
He then charged Roof, whose grandfather C Joseph Roof is a prominent lawyer in North Carolina, with nine counts of murder.


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[katydid23]

I am flabbergasted.


He opened the court with his appeal to support Roof's family, adding: 'Nobody would have ever thrown them into the whirlwind of events that they are being thrown into.
'We must find it in our heart at some point in time not only to help those that are victims but to also help his family as well.'
He then charged Roof, whose grandfather C Joseph Roof is a prominent lawyer in North Carolina, with nine counts of murder.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...imanded-using-n-word-court.html#ixzz3deUDhLji
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What is wrong with showing compassion for his family too?

Didn't we see the same thing with Darron Wint's family? Wint TORTURED a white family to death. He burned a 10 yr old boy alive and strangled and stabbed the family over a 2 day period. But because he stole money from them, it is somehow not a hate crime.

But we all went out of our way to praise the kind words and compassion shown by Wint's father in the statement he made publicly.
Why should we show compassion for Wint's family and not for Roof's family?

 

[CathyinTexas]

Don't know if this has been shared. Houston friend of suspect speaks out.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/loca...rleston-shooting-suspect-speaks-out/29022121/

That is interesting and can't be discounted as he knew him for a long time and they spent time in each other's home. Other black friends have been interviewed so it is very bizarre that he did this, imo. I have to say, I believe drugs played a big part in what happened. All of the white mass murderers in the last few years were on psychotropic drugs.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

What is wrong with showing compassion for his family too?

Didn't we see the same thing with Darron Wint's family? Wint TORTURED a white family to death. He burned a 10 yr old boy alive and strangled and stabbed the family over a 2 day period. But because he stole money from them, it is somehow not a hate crime.

But we all went out of our way to praise the kind words and compassion shown by Wint's father in the statement he made publicly.
Why should we show compassion for Wint's family and not for Roof's family?

Where was it said that DDW killed Savopoulos family because they were white? You seem to be implying that it should be a hate crime. Why? Because he was black, and his victims weren't? I am not seeing how it is similiar at all to this case, where the killer wrote a manifesto with his racist motives, told the victims he was killing them because they were taking over and raping women, etc.

What in the world does DDW have to do with this crime.

 

[CathyinTexas]

[video=youtube;ajZUt2gdKGQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajZUt2gdKGQ[/video]

ETA added same video with an msm link

He looks at him no different? He seems to still care for him. And he knew he was going to shoot people and he didn't call the police.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

There was nothing outrageous in his manifesto. These are comments I constantly see posted on the Internet, on mainstream websites. The obsession with "black on white" crime is a big one. His views are accepted by a large percentage of Americans.