SC - Walter Scott, 50, fatally shot by North Charleston PD officer, 4 April 2015 - #1

[SStarr33]

I still think he ran because Slagle said something to make him run, I had a traffic stop once and the officer was very threatning she told me to shut up before something happens??? I never figured out what she was so hostile about either

The only way Slager could have been nicer to the guy is if he would have offered him some milk and cookies while he waited.

 

[Elley Mae]

It would be hours before his client learned that Scott had been fatally shot in the back by Slager as he ran down a nearby lot, out of view from the car.

Peper said immediately after hearing the gunshots, Fulton began trying to call his mother and sister and sat in the car “in shock.”

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150415/PC16/150419622/1177

The passenger was making/trying calls not Walter. jmo idk

 

[Tawny]

This whole last page is full of victim blaming.

 

[jaxibear]

They are probably keeping it quiet, it would NOT be something they would want to advertise. I realize that for regular customers that like the place it wouldn't matter, but that video would definitely be a turn off for people that have never before been to that restaurant.

I did some research, and there are some comments from people who were there on social media. The majority of them are supportive with one or two that were bothered.

 

[sloane7777]

The only way Slager could have been nicer to the guy is if he would have offered him some milk and cookies while he waited.

how do we know what he said on the DL , we don't know ! he could have literally said Run or I'm gonna kill you, we were not there and the recordings don't pick up all audio esp if your hand is over the mic on a body cam, a dash cam to far to know for sure.

 

[tambo]

LOL Pretty sure businesses never do anything to intentionally risk losing business.

They owe "offended" customers nothing if the customer doesn't come forward with their concerns.

If you can show me some articles that state there were offended customers, that'd be nice. Otherwise, I'm going to work off of the assumption that no one's life was ruined over this PEACEFUL demonstration.

People riot, everyone gets angry. People demonstrate peacefully, people still get angry. Lose/lose if you're a person of color speaking out against discrimination and racism.

exactly, Why? because there are some people in this country that still think we are supposed to be all one color, all one religion etc....They will deny it but it is oh so very obvious in the actions and words of those people.

 

[tambo]

has anyone heard when the next court date is? Or when the grand jury meets

 

[rob]

They are probably keeping it quiet, it would NOT be something they would want to advertise. I realize that for regular customers that like the place it wouldn't matter, but that video would definitely be a turn off for people that have never before been to that restaurant.

It's a classy place with classy clientele. They'll let it drop, but make sure it never happens again.
There's a reason this is where they chose to do their 4 minute rant.

 

[dodie20]

it was 4 minutes. Somehow I think they will survive. And if that customer was so OFFENDED by a group of people needing to be heard than they don't have to go back to the restraunt. I really, really doubt this will have any affect what so ever on this place....good heavens. 4 minutes

I should add, I don't think this place was in on it or anything like that. I think they let them say what they wanted instead making an even bigger scene by freaking out about it, and overreacting. btw I would have listened because I believe that we have a serious problem in this country still and I applaud those that go out and try to make it better and try to get people informed.

imo, only someone who was extremely detached from reality, would have a real problem with the demonstration. A little uncomfortable maybe, but good grief, there are more important things than a 'pleasant meal', going on in the world. I would have listened to every word and been proud to be an American where we can still do things like that. moo.

 

[EllieBee]

This fairy tale has been repeated throughout this thread with absolutely no links, or even a reasonable explanation for it. For folks new to this case, please disregard this idea that Slager was tased. It is a made up story to tarnish the character of a good man.

It reminds me of the Jodi Arias trial.

I belonged to another forum where the case was being discussed and it shocked me how many people called the victim a "player" and a "hypocrite", etc. Like any of those things made it okay for her to brutally murder him?

In this case not only are people victim blaming, but supposition is being stated as fact. I have yet to see MSM confirmation for any of these claims. A person just joining the conversation would think it was established fact that Mr. Scott assaulted Slager. And unless there is direct proof of that, there is only one victim and he is dead.

 

[Cubby]

Here are two excerpted videos that I slowed down and uploaded to youtube. I did not attempt to "clean them up" or "sharpen" them

The first shows just the "tussle" and the second shows from where Scott breaks away from Slager.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx2dZkrwqHU​

The second shows what appears to be two taser cartridges, one of which ends up being dragged through the grass by Scott.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZfDcWeWTE​

As I've noted earlier, I do think the "tussle" will be pivotal to this case and whether (or not) the grand jury will indict.

Forgive me if this has already been discussed/answered. I'm not yet caught up with the thread.

What do you believe is the 2nd cartridge? I see the one dragging behind Scott. I also see something moving backwards behind Slager. What is moving backwards away from Slager? The second cartridge or the actual taser? Because that second item moving behind and away from Slager is what he later went back to pick up and drop next to Scott's body.

 

[shadowraiths]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed/answered. I'm not yet caught up with the thread.

What do you believe is the 2nd cartridge? I see the one dragging behind Scott. I also see something moving backwards behind Slager. What is moving backwards away from Slager? The second cartridge or the actual taser? Because that second item moving behind and away from Slager is what he later went back to pick up and drop next to Scott's body.

If you look where the cartridge that ends up being dragged... just below and to the right that, appears to be another "black thing" that I think may be the first cartridge, in that it's the same shape/color.

It seems to me like both cartridges show up on the ground, the one not dragged first, and then the one dragged by scott shows up just a little behind it, a little to the left, and closer to Slager. As for the item falling behind Slager, I am guessing that was the taser. Not sure, of course, it's just a guess.

Since the video clarity is spotty, I started that video from just before both people appeared in the frame, and slowed it down to 10% speed.

In watching that, it seems to me that the officer may have dropped the taser while trying to hold on to scott, and that the force of scott moving away may have dislodge the cartridge(s?), causing it(/them?) to tumble to the ground, while sending the taser off behind the officer.

This is all a guess, of course. Since I'm not even remotely a video specialist.

Clear as mud, now, eh?

Eta ~ including link of video being discussed, just to save people time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTZfDcWeWTE

 

[Bayou Mistress]

We should have never had that tea party in Boston.

Slager shot a man in the back.

 

[Cubby]

Can someone please supply a MSM source stating that suspect Slager was tased by the victim, Scott? I am waking up and reading post after post about the ex-officer being tased as if it is an established fact, yet I cannot find anything to back that up in MSM.

Also, Slager has been charged with Scott's murder.

There isn't one. Slager being tased by Scott is a fairy tale.

 

[shadowraiths]

With regard to the struggle.

In context of what we have on the video, it is quite clear contact was made between Scott and Officer Slager. Who first made the contact, is arguably moot. The point is, there was a struggle. And the officer appeared to be over-powered during at least part of that struggle. Moreover, he was unable to physically detain Scott. And once that occurred, all bets were off. He was unsurprisingly pumped, that is, his adrenaline had kicked in when contact was made. At which point, he is in the fight mode, as opposed to flight mode. That is, his behavior is arguably more visceral than cognitive. His stance, when he is taking aim, seems clearly singular. Focused.

Does this make the shooting right? Of course not. Understandable? I would pose that, to some degree, it does.

Eta ~ adding video of struggle for clarity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx2dZkrwqHU

 

[Tawny]

I mean, I'm just gonna throw it out there again that he did pull into an auto parts store parking lot lol. Coulda fixed all a' these problems with one little comment "Go buy a tail light".

You have to know you have a tail light out to begin with. Y'all need to get to arresting my husband for driving for who knows how long with a blown out brake light because no one ever pointed it out until I happened to watch him drive away one day. That is a COMMON issue with cars, and MOST people who do get pulled over for it get asked "were you aware you have a tail light out" and then they get a warning and everyone goes about their day.

Why does a license or plates need to be run to be told you have a light out? Why does he need to go back to his squad car for ANYTHING?

If we treated things like this how they should be treated, police pulling us over to inform us and help us to remedy the situation rather than treating it like some criminal act, then everyone would be happier.

But then again, gotta get them tax dollars with those tickets. Nevermind that most in poor neighborhoods literally can't afford those traffic tickets. Which is why it circles back to why didn't Slager inform him and give him the opportunity to remedy the situation.

I'm just going in circles now.

 

[Tawny]

We're sitting here saying "follow laws" over and over but no one seems to be worried that Slager broke the first law, the most critical law, which is "don't kill unless your life is in imminent danger" which it wasn't. Was it a few minutes before? I dunno. I haven't seen proof of it. But it sure wasn't in imminent danger as Scott ran away, unarmed.

So let's treat everyone equal, eh? If Scott "should've followed the laws" then the same applies to Slager, LE or not.

 

[tambo]

When you break the law, which Scot did, in several ways, you should expect consequences. I know "I" would. This is a country that flourished under LAW. Now, we are drowning in crime, welfare, demonstrations, and looting. You want things cleaned up? Stop crime at the lowest level - get insurance, have a driver's license, pay your child support. If this man had done ALL he should have, I don't believe he would be dead today.

I don't want to hear any sad tales - obey the law and they won't happen. If you can't live in a country with laws, MOVE!

:cow:

is murdering someone considered breaking the law? Like you said, *obey the law, If you can't live in a country with laws MOVE....I think we all know that scott did not do anything to deserve being shot in the back...

 

[MyBelle]

Wow...I can't believe those people sat quietly and listed to that crap for nearly FOUR minutes!

The first minute I can understand, as folks may have been a bit stunned, but for four minutes??? I would have been screaming for the manager at the 45 second mark (yes really).

And yes I agree with those that say Charleston won't be a repeat of Ferguson. The demographics are nearly a reverse of Ferguson so taking over the streets night after night simply won't be tolerated.

True Southern politeness and civility in play in the restaurant but those folks won't be polite if their places of business are attacked.

JMO

 

[Cubby]

With regard to the struggle.

In context of what we have on the video, it is quite clear contact was made between Scott and Officer Slager. Who first made the contact, is arguably moot. The point is, there was a struggle. And the officer appeared to be over-powered during at least part of that struggle. Moreover, he was unable to physically detain Scott. And once that occurred, all bets were off. He was unsurprisingly pumped, that is, his adrenaline had kicked in when contact was made. At which point, he is in the fight mode, as opposed to flight mode. That is, his behavior is arguably more visceral than cognitive. His stance, when he is taking aim, seems clearly singular. Focused.

Does this make the shooting right? Of course not. Understandable? I would pose that, to some degree, it does.

Eta ~ adding video of struggle for clarity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx2dZkrwqHU

Thank you. Using this post as a springboard. Between the youtube link you added and the following imugr link it is clear two cartridges, Scott's hat, and the taser all fell to the ground. Scott seems to be dragging one of the cartridges behind him and the wires from the cartridge that fell near Slagers foot (the one he kicked while pulling his weapon) are wrapped around Slagers left wrist and left ankle.

The two video's also show that at no point did Scott have control of the taser. He may have knocked them out of Slagers hand, but he never had hold of them and Slager was not tased. His left ankle appears to have been entangled in a wire, not shot.

If Slager felt threatened it was his ego, pride and lack of respect toward his position which was threatened. NEVER was his life or anyone else's threatened.


imugr link: http://i.imgur.com/fkNOcRj.gifv?_=1