Schools warn about self-choking

Discussion in 'Up to the Minute' started by Casshew, Sep 30, 2005.

  1. Casshew

    Casshew Former Member

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The death of a 12-year-old Seattle girl has prompted school officials to alert parents to a troubling practice in which children intentionally cut off oxygen to their brains as a means of getting high.

    The so-called choking game may have killed the McKnight Middle School seventh-grader, who was found unconscious in her bedroom Wednesday with one end of a karate belt knotted around her neck, the other tied to the top of her bunk bed.

    "Whether it is an accidental death or intentional death is the question, and I don't know if we'll ever find out," said Seattle Police Department spokesman Rich Pruitt. The King County Medical Examiner's Office determined only that the cause of death was asphyxia. An investigation is continuing.

    Either way, officials in the Seattle and Renton public school districts hastily circulated information Thursday about the practice, in which kids use their hands, arms, ropes or belts to cut off oxygen to their brains and induce light-headedness to the point of passing out.

    Most important, experts around the country said, was for parents to talk with children about the dangers.


    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/242904_choking30.html
     
  2. Loading...


  3. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    There have been several deaths in the last year like this with very young teens and preteens involved. I asked my sons if they had ever heard of such a thing, and they both looked at me like I was insane. They are only 9 and 10, so maybe a little too young, but a friend's daughter who is 11 had heard of it. :eek:

    What in the hell are these kids thinking about when they try something so stupid? How do you protect them from themselves at this age?

    It is terrifying.
     
  4. Casshew

    Casshew Former Member

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My daughter is 11 (12 in December) she looked at me like I had 2 heads when I brought up the subject :slap:
     
  5. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Yeah, this is one of those cases where you don't want to ignore it and find out the hard way that they already know...but just by bringing it up you put the thought into their heads if they didn't. It's lose - lose.

    It turns my stomach.
     
  6. Sassygerl

    Sassygerl Active Member

    Messages:
    5,782
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    When I brought it up with mine one said "oh yeah, so and so plays that all the time". I was like :eek: This friend is no longer playing it anymore....why it is called a "game" anyway???

    I remember as kids trying to make our faces turn purple, but never did we even think about putting something around our neck!
     
  7. Casshew

    Casshew Former Member

    Messages:
    27,884
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It's crazy. I haveheard of kids (toddlers) who hold their breaths to get their way with Mom and Dad.... but this stuff is scary, theyare doing for a high and in older people its a sexual thing :eek:
     
  8. kgeaux

    kgeaux New Member

    Messages:
    7,598
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    0
    My kids are older, baby is 14, oldest is 24. They have ALL heard of this. They tell me it has a sexual aspect to it, which I won't go into here, but this is some scary stuff. As a parent, we know to look for signs of alcohol and drug use, we know to check out friends carefully, to train them to look both ways when crossing the street, etc. but HOW do you know this activity is going on until it is too late???? My kids tell me they don't do this, that they know it is insane, but they tell me it is popular and practiced everywhere.
     
  9. Tom'sGirl

    Tom'sGirl Former Member

    Messages:
    11,332
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hi kgeaux,

    No young kids in my family either, but what you said is correct about it being usually associated with a sexual act. One fellow years ago out here was on trial because his wife/girlfriend died during the act.

    In fact the other night on Law & Order (I think it was L&O) it was the topic of the show. They even referred to "Hanging Erection" when they found a young guy dead.

    ETA: Article

    Deadly lesson Warning about sexual asphyxiation/A respected teacher dies while performing a dangerous sex act. How do you warn others when readers don't want to hear it?

    SNIP:

    Even among our well-read news staff, few knew much about sexual asphyxiation. The practice, also called autoerotic asphyxiation, involves attempting to reach a heightened sexual orgasm by cutting off the oxygen and blood supply to the head during masturbation. Not everyone who tries it dies, but accidental death often occurs when the person loses consciousness and falls forward, being strangled by the rope or belt tied to his neck.


     
  10. Nova

    Nova Active Member

    Messages:
    19,111
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    36
    You're a good mom, angel, even if your kids briefly think you are crazy.

    I remember a similar "game" making the rounds when I was 8 or 9 (that was in the 60s), so your kids are not too young for you to make them aware of the danger.
     
  11. angelmom

    angelmom The love stays...forever in our hearts

    Messages:
    7,376
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Thanks. I haven't lost any credibility b/c they already thought I was nuts. They think I am the most overprotective mom in the world, and that I worry about stuff that no one else's parents have ever even heard of. Sometimes I think they wonder if I'm making stuff up to see what they'll say! But the look on their faces couldn't be faked.

    I think one article I read said that you should be aware if you notice bruising on your child's neck and the story of how it got there doesn't ring true. That would definitely ring an alarm bell for me!
     
  12. Shadow205

    Shadow205 New Member

    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A game they call ... "Breath Play" "The Choking Game" "Choke out" "The Pass Out Game""Black Out" "Bagging" "Space Monkey" "Flat Liner" Tingling and Suffocation Roulette" "Funky Chicken" It is just a KILLER!!!!!!


    The red flags:
    -- If your child has a rope or plastic bag
    -- Has bloodshot eyes
    -- Is experiencing headaches
    -- Has marks on his/her neck



    Experts say parents should be aware of a potentially deadly practice -- called "the choking game" -- that some children are using to get high.

    Children as young as 10 years old have participated in "the choking game," so they can feel a rush in their brains before passing out from a lack of oxygen. Kids use their hands -- or sometimes anything including belts or scarves -- to choke themselves or each other until unconscious. http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/local/ci_3191334

    This is a link to a website set up by a mother whose son died during the "choking game" http://www.nickserna.com/id14.html
    Excellent information on that site with links to many media articles about this.
    Oprah had a mother on today whose son died.
     
  13. BillyGoatGruff

    BillyGoatGruff New Member

    Messages:
    2,173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Its called auto-erotic asphyxiation and its as old as the hills. It goes through phases of being popular with certain age and/or social groups. Coroners figure at least half of the so-called suicides by hanging were actually misadventures involving auto-erotic asphyxiation--the lead singer of NXS being the most well-known recent example.
     
  14. Tom'sGirl

    Tom'sGirl Former Member

    Messages:
    11,332
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    You're right Billy, I posted a link (#8) last month, this is not anything new.
     
  15. BillyGoatGruff

    BillyGoatGruff New Member

    Messages:
    2,173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A friend of mine who is a psychologist had a book that was, effectively, a list of case histories of people who had been found dead and/or injured and mistaken for suicides or attempted suicides, but were later diagnosed to be "misadventures" caused by esoteric/dangerous masturbation techniques. It was written in extremely dry terms, but the basic facts (and accompanying crime scene photos) resulted in some superb black humor.
    The three best:
    1.The man who used a floor buffer to, ahem, polish his equipment, which gave him an electrical shock that killed him then basically polished him down to the thigh bones.
    2. The man who tied a noose around his neck that got caught on the axle of his VW Bug and dragged him around in a circle for hours.
    3. The elementary school science teacher who lived with his mother and according to her would "conduct experiments" that involved him shocking himself with the leads to an electric blanket, that one day threw his heart out of rhythm.
     
  16. Tom'sGirl

    Tom'sGirl Former Member

    Messages:
    11,332
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    That was probably a really interesting book, it would be interesting to read.

    Years ago when I was much younger my father in law was taking a class associated with his line of work. Anyway, as I recall the name of the book was "How to Determine Murder/Suicide", also with photos. I read some of the most bizzare things in that book.
     
  17. Shadow205

    Shadow205 New Member

    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    It is only Autoerotic Asphyxia if it is combined with masturbation--that's the auto (self) erotic (sex) part.
    These cases that I am refering to have no indication of sexual gratification. These kids are playing these "games" for the high. One in which I refered to is Space Monkey. Space monkey is a game that's becoming popular among some junior and senior high school students. It invloves one person hyperventilating then holding the breath while another person bear hugs them from behind. This hug and breath holding enhances an effect called Valsalva Maneuver (VM). VM is the technique that wieghtlifters instinctivly employ when lifting heavy weights. They hold their breath and squeeze their abdominal muscles as they lift. The net effect of VM is an increase in intrathoracic pressure (inside the chest cavity) which creates high pressure on the great veins (superior and inferior vena cava). This high pressure on the great veins reduces blood return to the heart which in turn, reduces blood output from the heart. When blood output to the brain is reduced, brain oxygen is reduced (cerebral hypoxia) and the person faints or passes out.
    Repeated bouts of cerebral hypoxia has the potential to cause brain damage. For individuals with heart disease or certain vascular diseases Valsalva Maneuver can cause heart attack, stroke, or other cardio vascular damage.
    Is Space Monkey autoerotic asphyxia?
    Only if it is combined with masturbation.
    http://www.cwu.edu/~jenkinsa/Autoerotic_Asphyxia_Page.html

    While there are cases of teens being involved in Autoerotic Asphyxia, that does not appear to be so in any of the cases that I linked to in the above post. This trend with the "Choking Games" that is on the rise seems to be for the "high".
     
  18. Cypros

    Cypros New Member

    Messages:
    3,641
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I remember way back when I was in Junior High School, we would play a game at slumber parties called "The Fainting Game". The idea was to rapidly take in many deep breaths (hyperventilate) while sitting down, and then to suddenly stand up and run forward. You were supposed to faint. I never fainted but I (and I believe many of the other girls) pretended to faint for a little drama. I guess the real point was to get a head rush or high. It was harmless as long as nobody fell and hit their head on something, but I can see that it has evolved into something much more dangerous. Why is it so exciting to kids and even adults to get a "buzz"?
     
  19. Shadow205

    Shadow205 New Member

    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Cypros,

    I remember doing that too. As a matter of fact I chipped a tooth. You are right this has evolved into something much more serious.

     
  20. BillyGoatGruff

    BillyGoatGruff New Member

    Messages:
    2,173
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Believe me, these games the kids are playing have a decidely sexual element to them, even if the kids are basically unaware of them at the start. I suspect that aspect of their behavior is being overlooked or deliberately not discussed in the papers.
     
  21. Shadow205

    Shadow205 New Member

    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    By staff report
    November 23, 2005

    PORT ST. LUCIE — Police on Tuesday identified the body found on city-owned land off Westmoreland Boulevard on Monday as Daniel Karam, 17, of the 2600 block of Southeast Morningside Boulevard. Karam died of asphyxiation, Capt. Scott Bartal said. The cause of death appears to be self-inflicted," he said. "We do not suspect any foul play."

    Karam had been reported missing late last week. http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/local_news/article/0,2545,TCP_16736_4261088,00.html
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice