SD SD - Serenity Dennard, 9, Children’s Home Society, Pennington County, 3 Feb 2019 #4

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  1. AnnaGrace

    AnnaGrace Well-Known Member

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    It's always stayed in my mind that the dogs lost her sent after the cattle guard at the road. I've read that when the scent ends abruptly, the most common reason is they entered a vehicle. So it still makes me wonder if that's what happened. I was so hoping she'd be found before another winter.
     


  2. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Well-Known Member

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    What I believe happened to Serenity till evidence proves otherwise.
     
  3. SkipperKey3

    SkipperKey3 Well-Known Member

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    I agree. As far as we have been told, the cadaver dogs continue to get a scent, but they have yet to zero in on the source of that scent.

    As for the "verbal accounts", the woodcutters did NOT see Serenity. They were some distance away, but did at one point see searchers. They were later talked to and verified that they never saw Serenity.

    There doesn't seem to be any doubt that she left the building.
     
  4. SkipperKey3

    SkipperKey3 Well-Known Member

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    There can be other reasons for this. There was some time before the dogs were brought in, and the road itself had accumulated quite a number of other, stronger scents in the meantime. Added to that is that the temperatures dropped drastically, and with temperatures hovering around zero by the time the dogs were there, this greatly detracts from the ability of the dogs to detect scents.

    I had hoped that while they couldn't directly detect her scent on Rockerville Road because of all the traffic between the time she left and the time the dogs got there, not to mention the searchers that were out there, I had still hoped that they could detect where she left the road, but apparently they didn't.
     
  5. SkipperKey3

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    LE has been considering all options from day one. They haven't dismissed other possibilities.
     
  6. SkipperKey3

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    It is very rugged terrain and very difficult to search, with many little nooks and crannies - exactly the type of places that it has been reported that Serenity liked to hide in.
    Unfortunately, I can believe she hasn't been found yet. There was mention early on in this case, in an earlier thread, about somebody who went missing in this area, and wasn't found despite extensive searches. Several years later his remains were stumbled on.
    LE knows this, which is why they continue to search.
    I'd much rather that she surfaced safe somewhere...
     
  7. AnnaGrace

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    Yes I agree and hoped those things too. As I said, that lingers in my thoughts and I'm aware there's other reasons why scent dogs lose the scent. I'm still open to both options. I'm not 100 percent convinced she ran out, got lost and succumbed to the elements and I'm also not convinced she wasn't picked up by someone at the road. What I wish more than anything is that she is found. If she did succumb, I know sometimes it takes years and sometimes never and that's just heartbreaking. I hate that winter is upon us again and still no Serenity.
     
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  9. Dragonfly wings

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    Not on any forensic team but just from seeing deer die on rural property of natural causes during warmer months, the intense smell can be for 3 weeks or more and traveling pretty far. Cadaver dogs would pick up scents much longer than our noses. I've seen dogs rolling on skins that were there much longer and track to go seek them out. I like to hold onto the belief that she is alive and well.
     
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    Catmammy Opinionated and Owning It

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    I wonder if Serenity thought herself clever when she escaped and then hid so well that she wasn't found. I think she is hiding still but not intentionally anymore.
     
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  11. Steelslady

    Steelslady Justice for Kelsey

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    I know, and I agree with you on this 100%, @AnnaGrace but I have been told that the dogs found a scent elsewhere and that I am wrong.
     
  12. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    I think that's most likely what happened too. She had a history of hiding inside the building. Perhaps this time she made the fatal mistake of hiding outside. :(

    We need to think like a 9 year old playing hide and seek and think about where she could have hidden. You're standing here by the road: خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏
    Where do you go from there?
    I want to know what is under that grate at the driveway. Is there a drainage tunnel there that she could have crawled into?

    MOO.
     
  13. PayrollNerd

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    Good question about the grate. If that is a drainage pipe covering, would she be strong enough to move it or tiny enough to slip thru it’s openings. Or was the grate already off kilter and had an opening she slid thru. If that were possible then the dogs wouldn’t lose her scent right? She’d either continue deeper into the pipe, or exit the pipe and go in another direction. Interesting to think about.
     
  14. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Good questions. It looks to me like someone small could slide under the grate on the ends-- under that triangle ladder shaped thing. I'm not sure how it would work with the dogs if she died in a drainage pipe under or near that spot. I believe it was scent dogs that tracked her to the end of the sidewalk. I think I have read that some dogs are dual trained as both scent dogs and cadaver dogs. But if they were tasked with tracking her living scent from a piece of Serenity's clothing would they alert for a cadaver being present or would only alert that the living scent trail ended? I also wonder if dual trained dogs have the same type of alert for the end of the trail and the presence of remains. We need our dog experts here to tell us more.

    ETA: Also, I'm thinking if she was in the drainage pipe, then her remains could have been washed farther away from the opening by melting snow or rain storms over the year. Would remains scattered in underground pipes around the area lead to the cadaver dogs detecting the scent of death but not being able to pinpoint exactly where it was coming from? IDK, just pondering it. :(

    MOO.
     
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  15. SkipperKey3

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    That's hardly the only place. And there are two of those grates, not one. But from the location you pinpointed, if you head up the road to the north, the direction she was last seen heading, to where the road starts to bend slightly to the right, that is where the little creek runs under the road. I thought early on there was a possibility that she crawled in there. But I would have thought that such places as the grate and where the creek runs under the road would have been checked early on.
     
  16. PommyMommy

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    Pennington County SO on Twitter
    If you see something, say something in hunting season. @PennCoSheriff reminds hunters to be alert for two missing people.
    Larry Genzlinger—in the area of Sawmill Draw, Six Mile and Ditch Creek Roads. Serenity Dennard—near Black Hills Children’s Home in Rockerville. Call 394-2151.
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    Pennington County SO on Twitter
    A group spent this day continuing our grid search looking for Serenity Dennard in the Rockerville area. The search and investigation continue.
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    9:00 PM - 2 Nov 2019
     
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  17. PommyMommy

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    NOV 2, 2019
    Deer hunting season opener, hunters to be on alert for missing persons
    This weekend is the opening weekend for Black Hills deer hunting season and the Pennington County Sheriff's Office is advising hunters to be on alert for two missing people.

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    Serenity Dennard was last seen Feb. 3 near the Black Hills Children’s Home in Rockerville.

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    "There's a number of things you can do, of course, be aware of your physical limitations and hunt accordingly if that's a factor, and be prepared when you go into the woods. Be familiar with an area and if you aren't familiar with an area, be sure you have the proper gear when you go to hunt that area," said Thom.

    The Pennington County Sheriff’s Office is also reminding hunters out that if you see something, say something.

    [...]
     
  18. aegarner1

    aegarner1 Well-Known Member

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    @PommyMommy ty for posting these I was having trouble doing it
     
  19. PommyMommy

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    You're welcome. Sorry you were having trouble. Hope you get it figured out. :) MOO
     
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