Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #6

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  1. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    Interesting Zippers and stripes? Where do the stripes end or do they go all the way up both butt cheeks? Or maybe end down around the zipper area?


    Thanks. I will have to take my own picture to show you what's really there. But I'm saying look between the black socked "foot" and the pants. You will see there is no foot in this supposed sock. What you will see if Travis' back. I admit that I can't see the heel anymore in the clearer picture from the book, but I can see much better that the "house shoe" is empty. Look along the bottom hem of the pants. Note the shadows. You'll see the slops of the shoe, but not any foot in it. But you do see white flesh in on little triangle, and that white flesh is Travis' back, where the blood is streaming down.
     


  2. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    OMG, Rick. you made me almost spit out my food laughing. I'm calling you Rick for old times sake.


    I believe that exchanging cars and having her car parked at his house was a way of doing exactly what you are saying. What would people think if they spotted her in his car? What would they think if her car was parked at his house while she was driving his car? I think it was her way of trying to send a message, stake out her territory to have her car over there while she wasn't.

    It was also a tie, a constant need to exchange and talk, though I dont know why Travis saw it as a way to save gas by carpooling. Recall the text she sent him saying she needed $20. She was always asking him for money, so the idea on saving by carpooling with her made as much sense as buying a $13 gas can to save on gas.

    What I also think is true is that she lived within 3 minutes of him. In trial, it seemed like she told JM that Mimi's was really close to his house, too. I believe it was said during that whole BMW car exchange/masturbating picture exchange with her and JM. Travis was out there running miles, etc. If Mimi's was so close, he should have told her to walk her lazy Assets to his house instead him having to go pick her up.


    ETA--why are there "Astroglide" ads on this page! lol JA would be appalled.
     
  3. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    As I stated upthread, she called it her "ghetto luxury car." She sent a text telling Travis to pump the brakes on and thanked him for putting up with her ghetto car.

    At Trial, she said her car was better than Travis' BMW.

    I don't know why they kept exchanging cars, but as I said up-thread, Travis told Chris that he was kind of using Jodi for to save on gas.

    The car might not have been hers for a full 4 years at that point. For example, if it sat on the lot unsold until November 2004, it might be less time for when the warranty started, which makes Nov 2007 3 years. I think that in November 2007, she'd reached the warranty time limit. She said in her journal that it was 60,000 miles or November, which ever came first.
     
  4. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for deciding to talk about the BMW again. I believe a lot of this might be true. I was on the same trail about the insurance. Further, I also think the Infiniti was not in her name. I also think she went to "visit" Rachel and never left back in July 2007 (the week of Travis' B-day) but that's another story.

    Good catch about the BMW selling comments in the texts. I'd somehow glossed over them. I think what you've put together about the BMW makes the most sense, except if Travis' insurance isn't in her name, I don't know how she can list it. She can, though, take out insurance from Uhaul, right? I know you can do that with rental cars. I wouldn't think I could walk into Uhaul with your car information, but rent a Uhaul under my name. I think she made up an excuse to have his car because she knew that UFC party was that night. I think she took the Infiniti over to "wash it" that day, so that would mean her Infiniti would be at his house when his friends are there.

    Of the Helio,

    Good theory. It could be possible that Gus handling the "lost phone" insurance issue personally somehow. I don't think Sprint was her carrier. I think it was Travis' carrier, and someone else had said Helio had its own phone and service--like Metro. Thanks for bringing this topic in here from us talking it about on the other thread. I am still not satisfied with how many phones she had. I told my mom today that it was possibly 3 after someone mentioned the Razor in the other thread.

    I definitely agree that she didn't get the phone in 3 days. As I mentioned in the other thread, she writes about receiving it 3 days later, but at about 1am on the third day, she and TA are texting and arguing. That would mean two days! Something about this phone situation and this Maria from London at the same time period is hinky, hinky, hinky.

    The court money thing, I don't know if you pay for a foreclosure. It's done because you are not paying, right? Like a repo?
     
  5. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe she could afford that Infiniti, brand new in 2004, working as a waitress, with her credit and already co-signed on a house with Darryl. If her parents co-signed, the bank would come after them the minute the car wasn't paid. So they paid it to keep their own credit -- if they co-signed. What are the odds she got that car without a co-signer?

    I think when she let the insurance lapse, that's when her Mama got involved, and that's possibly what spurred her to have to come home. Her parents threatened to let the car go and possibly tell the bank where it was. Just speculation. Why else is "mom" sounding like a good think to Jodi around the time of the move? Her parents could have been getting on her case about coming home ever since she visited for Christmas or about threatening to let the car go if she didn't take over the payments. Let's face it, she might not have EVER been making the car payments. She was paying her mortgage with a credit card, remember.

    Just speculation.
     
  6. LinasK

    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    Yearly registration stickers are issued in Calif. for the month you purchased your car in. Mine is due every Sept., hubby's in January and you must pay the requisite fee and possibly get it smog certified.
     
  7. La Louve

    La Louve For Whitney and Teghan

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    I think you misread my post. My Nike running pants have zippers on the backs of both legs. The zippers start at the bottom hem of each pant leg and go up about six inches. There are no stripes at all.

    :seeya:
     
  8. ILikeToBendPages

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    Another possibility is the reason for Sandy coming to Mesa was to rent the uhaul because she did have insurance and was going to drive it back to Yreka. She went back pretty quick after a fight where Jodi kicked her. If that is the case , and it would be like Jodi to drive the uhaul if she wasn't on the invoice. She wouldn't of cared if she broke down along the way.
     
  9. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    Oh, okay. I haven't ever seen zipper backs before, but I guess I should have added that I was fixated on the double stripes also with zippers in the back. :blushing:

    What do you think about the possibility of her having stripes up the back legs, too? I guess they could be, if only sewn around the part where the zippers are. Otherwise, that would look quite strange if they went all the way up to the butt. The stripes that is.
     
  10. Tiger09

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    Every single pair of pants I've ever seen like that- off brand or Adidas, Nike, Puma- has had either snaps all the way up the sides of the leg or zippers up the sides of the ankle. I've never ever seen zippers on the backs of the ankle, but I'll keep looking.

    Edited because typos...ugh.

    Sent from my SM-T310 using Tapatalk
     
  11. wasnt_me

    wasnt_me Well-Known Member

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    True, true, true. They could have set it up before her mom left and Jodi didn't include that in her journal. Another truth is that Jodi didn't invite her mom all the way down there just for moral support. Her mom also probably wanted to make sure Jodi would actually come home and not wind up somewhere else. And to make sure that her infiniti (by "her" I mean her mother) got back to Yreka. I'm convinced that her mother bought her that car and probably made the payments, too. And Jodi had to get the tow thing because mom was gone.

    I think Jodi did something to make her mom mad or starting making her own "stupid excuses" about how she couldn't pack and leave as quickly as her mom thought it would happen, and her mom was like, "I'm outty if you are going to procrastinate on my time after I flew down here to help you."

    It's mighty, mighty hinky that her mom came to help her move at the March 27th, but JA doesn't leave until April 4th.

    I reread the journal entry about it. There's no indication that her mother had a return flight already. Sounds like to me, her mom got there with the mission to move JA, saw that JA hadn't done jack crap to move. Her mom probably didn't want to be stuck in Mesa for an unknown period of time, sleeping on an air mattress, while Jodi ran in behind Travis, a man Jodi probably wouldn't even take her mother to meet.

    Here's what info JA gives after picking her mom up from the airport March 27th (there has been no mention of car trading in the texts or journal for this time period).

    In the Sunday the 30th journal entry, she said:

    The next morning,(Friday morning) I woke up and asked her not to be negative because I can't handle it. She didn't say anything. I left for Travis' to clean my Infiniti since I'm returning it (to your mom maybe? LOL).

    I visited with Travis for a while. When I got back, she said she was getting a plane ticket home. I appreciate all her help, but we just fight when we're around each other. it brings me down. So yesterday morning, I drove her to the airport, and she's home now.

    I don't recall a word about her mom's visit in the journal prior to this. in text messages:

    Firstly, she's texting Travis all night instead of paying attention to her mother. He invites her for pizza Saturday. she says:

    JA: I wish I could but my mom is Hitler and would freak out if I left the task at hand even for a short time.
    TA: Tell your mom to fly home then. Is she here to help or to hurt? If you aren't allowed to say goodbye to friends or go to church, something is wrong.

    JA: I agree. In hind sight, I would rather she didn't come at all. There are just boxes. I can do it all myself. But...that day in the car "mom" sounded like such a comforting thing.

    TA: Sorry. I feel bad. I wish we didn't argue over stupid things. (What's this referring to, wasnt_me wonders....)
    JA: Don't. We're over it. It's better now. Space is good. I'll miss you though.

    She says good night, but that's not the end. She also texts a thanks for the air mattress and tells him it's her "happy time now." I'm afraid of what that means. Travis tells her to tell her mom she's running an errand so they can do the pizza thing.

    In the morning:
    1030am--Jodi texts that she feels like an ingrate and loves her mom.

    Next, she tells him about how her roommates are fixing a toilet. Then she asks him to text her Ruby Tuesday's phone number. Isn't she supposed to be working there? Why does he have to text her the number of her job?

    1110am--Hey, the pizza place might be a go for us tomorrow. Things are changing. I'll fill you in soon!

    Fyi, she started the "mom" journal entry off by saying she no longer works at Ruby Tuesday. She just left it at the one sentence. Why am I imagining that she called Ruby Tuesday to call in sick for Saturday so she could go to lunch with Travis, and it really wasn't going to be her mother, but actually work that would get in the way of the pizza event?

    1156am--she texts from her mom's phone that the air mattress rocks.

    Where is her phone? Why would she put Travis' number in her mom's phone and vice versa? Then tells him not to message back on the number. smh.

    1254pm--texting him back that she likes his new voicemail msg and she hadn't wanted anything, just to see what was up.
    137pm--texting him that her mom doesn't like her hair color.
    137pm-- he says whatever to her mom's comments because it isn't her mom's hair.

    She tries to engage him about Eddie Snell.
    154pm--he asks her about his ring and watch that he hasn't seen since tuesday.
    No text reply about that one.
    446pm--she wants to show him something that will take 15 minutes of his time.

    450pmHe asks what it is.

    There's no more texting etc until 1136pm, where she asks if TS Elliot is mormon. Claims her texts she sent earlier didn't go through and she'd wanted to show him a video. She found another poem and wants him to call her that night or in the morning. He texts back a no on TS. The rest of the time, he intensely texts Elisa. At almost 4am, he texts that Jodi didn't bring him breakfast.

    So in reading this, I don't see where she went over to Travis' house to wash the car on Friday morning. He did sent her a text that didn't go through until 8:54am, but because it said get some sleep and good night at the end of it, I was thinking it was somehow delayed sent. With her first text being at 1031am about her mom, I'm thinking she and her mom woke up and had the conversation. No car washing or visiting Travis.

    Saturday is the day the BMW gets blown up.
    805am--she hopes he's hungry.
    9:40am--asking if he got his last set of tires as Discount tires.
    1106am--texts him "no problem" for some reason
    2:00pm texting him about wheels at Discount tire that would look good on his car. She didn't say BMW. She just said "car."

    604pm--she's texting him the address of papa johns and their phone number. This address happens to be a two minute drive from a Uhaul center.

    Mind you, Travis is planning to go to Michele and Dallin's party that night. Not his own UFC like I said previously.
    He does go to the party. at 842pm, he texts Taylor that people are just arriving.

    1:10am--Jodi texts about her charger being in his car.
    No text response.

    Weird thing is this. At 950am Sunday morning, they are arguing about her moaning about making PC. She's all hurt that he's swearing at her.

    1036am--she's telling him she wouldn't have hung up on him if she'd been more coherent. She hates it when he's right. Maybe she would have made a better decision. But she already apologized twice and he hadn't even once. He just chooses to be stubborn and remain pissed off.

    1038am--he wants not another freaking word from her unless it's an apology and thanks for taking care of her never ceasing problems.
    312pm--she has the nerve to text that he didn't even want to hear her poem.

    So this reminds me of arguments I used to have with my ex. He'd do something upset-worthy to me, and then he'd talk about BS that had nothing to do with the problem. Next thing I know, I'm upset about the problem AND upset at the new thing he's trying to deflect to. Sounds like that happened to Travis about "moaning about making PC." I'm sure he didn't want to hear that crap after what happened to his car Saturday. She claims in Monday's entry that he took her for pizza on Sunday. So bizarre.

    I don't know how I got all off into this topic, but I believe that journal entry is fake and she wrote it in there after talking to Flores on the phone. I don't know how it's fake and how she crammed it in between any of the others, but I will say this--she stopped journaling consistently on April 9th. She didn't pick it up again, according to what we have on file, until May 14th.

    What if she's stopped journaling some time in March instead and after telling Flores certain things, she went back and wrote or even re-wrote March 2008 entirely or in part? I don't trust what was written in March. I'm going to investigate this more.

    Maybe even fake as far back at the end of February because that BS she wrote in the last days about Mimi and Travis was puke-worthy.
     
  12. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    If she bought the Infinity in 2004 she was working at Vetana and making decent money, living in free housing. No need for a co signer and probably why she used the parents address. She probably knew she'd be moving at some point so used a permanent address.
    They didn't buy the Palm Desert house until June 2005.
     
  13. La Louve

    La Louve For Whitney and Teghan

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    As I said a few posts ago, IMO the reason the stripe in the photo looks like it is on the back of her pant leg is because of the foreshortened perspective in the photo. Just like Travis's foot looks much closer than it actually is.

    Here's a link to Nike running pants that are very similar to mine (the ones I have are a bit more tapered at the ankles):
    https://poshmark.com/listing/Nike-drifit-zipper-leg-running-pants-5605c15b522b45a4ed000240

    description (BBM): "Worn once, excellent condition-no flaws! Zip up the back leg with reflectors. Zip pocket on back waist. Drawstring waist."
     
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    I'm starting to rethink my earlier assumptions about the Infiniti and her failing to make payments. I STILL think she stopped making payments -- at least towards the end -- but now I'm leaning towards the car being a lease, and that the lease was about to expire. The timing of which must have added to the cataclysmic events of June 4.

    I used to work at a car dealership, and was privy to conversations where they'd talk about how to get the most money (profit) off of customers. They took great pride in convincing people to lease rather than buying. You get a nice new car, but with cheaper monthly payments and less money down. But of course, the fine print includes all sorts of language favorable to the dealership, which is how they make money, e.g., penalties for going over the mileage limit, not having performed regular maintenance, etc. Typically, they get the car back after a few years and can re-sell it for a good price.

    I also believe that leasing (since it's a limited term), can be done without having great credit, because the total dollar amount on the contract is much less than a purchase would be. Plus, back in 2004, credit restrictions were much laxer than they are now...

    I can totally see her wanting the car DB's wife had, but, not being able to afford to buy it, getting talked into a lease situation and thinking she was "winning." JMO
     
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    LinasK Verified insider- Mark Dribin case

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    Agreed. My father likes to lease cars and then turn around and get a different one every couple of years, but I always thought it seems more expensive in the long run. Kinda like an ARM mortgage, only good in the short term.
     
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    And DB walks out on her eighteen months later in December 2006.. So, they hadn't had the house for long.

    When was it that someone gave her the dvd about making millions (PPL?) while she was at work, and she threw it in a drawer, and retrieved it later? Was that when the Mormon's showed up at her doorstep? She met Travis at the PPL event September 10 - 13 IIRC. She'd already met Abe, and wasn't that at another PPL event?
     
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    I'm trying to remember what Jodi was wearing in the sports ad? I remember the red top, but wonder about the pants? I know she had her fists doubled and doing a kick in one? Anyone else remember seeing it?
     
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    This will not be dinner: (first pic).

    This will have to do. (second pic).




    ;).
     

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    Couldn't catch the big one? Well, hope dinner was tasty anyways. :)
     
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    Caylee Advocate My BIG Baby Rottie

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