Sentencing and beyond- JA General Discussion #8

Discussion in 'Travis Alexander Trial - The State vs. Jodi Arias' started by Coldpizza, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. Coldpizza

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  3. RickshawFan

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    But elsewhere she talks about Hoover dam.... And we know she pinged north of Kingman. She also claims not to know where Kingman is, lol. Plus, she got gas just east of LV, IIRC. at Mesquite, not a place you'd go through on the way if you'd gone to Lake Powell.

    The Lake Powell detail must have been thrown in to cover up for something like premeditation. "It was just an easy-going-for-old-times-sake trip".....

    And why the heck would it ever be important to make Lake Powell by sunset unless you were planning on camping there and needed to set up a tent before dark? She's piling on the florid.
     
  4. RickshawFan

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    Let's see....... gun, rope, knife.....Any signs of a candlestick? CLUE.......

    Way too much Hardy Boys....she "came to", a feature of every good HB mystery. She's backfilling all her lies with details from Hardy Boys....fake alibi construction, happy go lucky, bandaid on fingers as evidence.....She tells the story as though she's some kind of "detective" making sense of clues. Who does she think she is, Nancy Drew or something?

    POS's ridiculousness is brought in even higher relief without Nurms' questions inserted.

    She has a way of doing multiple choice lies hoping you'll pick the most likely one (in your mind) and forget that she's also offered options A, B, C, and D none of the above.

    Has anyone figured out how she managed to NOT get injured very much while slaughtering TA?
     
  5. Hope4More

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    The waking up times. It's possible the POS and DT knew of evidence we aren't aware of that they thought JM might introduce, and were trying to work around it.


    And/or.... Travis waking up at 1pm and sex photos time-stamped just over 30 minutes later make it sound like TA was ready for sex with her as soon as he woke up. Rather than sex with Travis 9 1/2 hours , approximately, after she arrived.

    And I agree her insistence that she woke first was to make premeditation sound less likely. Nurmi was actually very unsubtle on the point, asking her multiple times- "did you pull out a gun and shoot him THEN? "

    About her consistency on there being a virus on TA's computer. It's possible she was trying to account for a lack of activity on TA's laptop, as it likely would have been entirely uncharacteristic of TA not to continually check his emails, especially with an important conference call scheduled for 7. TA typically did a pre- conference call text blast to his associates. Maybe he also did one by email, and she knew the lack of one might seem suspicious.

    It's also possible, IMO, that the lack of activity on TA's laptop and her precise descriptions of TA's disc drive not coming up, etc. may be because she insisted they use HER laptop instead of his, to avoid leaving time-stamped traces on his computer.
     
  6. RickshawFan

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    From H4M's thread....

    FINDING OUT TRAVIS WAS “REALLY DEAD”

    Dan Freedman called me around 11pm (the night Travis’s mutilated body was found), but he didn’t tell me “definitively” that Travis was dead, so I tried to confirm that news.

    Dan told me who had been “there.” (There….as in, at TA’s house, standing outside after finding TA’s body in the shower, body meaning he was definitively dead).

    I tried to call Brint Hyatt, but there was no answer. I called Zach (backtracks mid-sentence) …..I was talking with his girlfriend who didn’t say much. I called Bishop Layton. By then it was about 3 AM. He told me. (Everyone had been told by LE not to speak with her, only Dan did anyway, she’s saying she spent 4 hours on the phone trying to get someone to speak with her).
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    LE told folks within hours not to talk to her? Wow. Plus, LE had to instruct a lot of people not to talk to her in a short time. Enough people to occupy her for 4 hours of calls? Less than 5 hours since the body was found? Amazing for LE's efficiency. That was also before she called EF, presumably; I didn't realize he was on to her already.
     
  7. RickshawFan

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    From H4M's post:

    “I started looking around for charger that I thought I had left… because Matt didn’t answer his phone, wasn’t there… I started cleaning out the car and found it under the passenger seat. “

    I plugged it in. Turned on my phone. There wasn’t any reception. As I began to drive there was some reception, one little bar came on, then two, then one, then none. (Her phone would have been dead from not being charged for that long).

    I think if her phone was turned off, it wouldn't have needed recharging before it was operable (my phone is always off, and I don't have to recharge it when I use it). If she'd drained it of charge (which is also possible), then it would have had to be plugged in for a few minutes to work.

    She phoned Matt and then, after that, found her charger.....? WOW, big time goof..
     
  8. RickshawFan

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    IIRC, it was a large portion that goes to the Alexanders, perhaps 50%. Also, any money that is put in her trust account is subject to the same percentage confiscation.

    Aaaaand ,it will likely cost her a whole bunch to buy even a warm soda pop.
     
  9. Hope4More

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    Here's a possibility that ties CD's and shower and more together.

    They had sex (bear with me, sisters ;)) She had assumed Travis would go straight in to shave & shower, but he didn't. Instead he went downstairs and did everything he could think of to hint to her it was time for her to go.

    She needed to stall her departure, and she needed Travis to get into the shower. She saw the trip CD on his desk, and it gave her the idea to look at trip photos with him. On HER laptop. Maybe she scratched the CD he had out. Or another she did just happen to have with her. Or maybe she just pretended to try to bring up photos until he lost all patience. Running out the clock and as a set up.

    Knowing Travis, she knew he would take that shower before his business call at 7.
    He thought she was leaving or had left, went up to shave and shower.

    She surprised him, his camera in hand, and told him one of her trial story versions -- that she felt bad about not being able to pull up the photos, so she wanted to take some of him in the shower instead for him to have.

    Was the shower door open? Did he know she was taking photos of him before he turned, looking towards her? Even if so, and he did, I don't believe that implies genuine consent.

    No soap or shampoo-- he was almost done. He thought she was gone, there she was AGAIN. This time where he knew that she knew he was NOT comfortable with her being, even in "better" times. He was naked. She was clothed. He was trapped in a small space within a room, within a room, in an empty house, with no guarantee a roommate would be returning anytime soon.

    I find it impossible to believe she was acting normally at that point. I don't think she would have been able to disguise her giddiness at finally cornering him, of having the knife ready, and of Travis beginning to feel afraid.

    I don't believe he knew what was coming, but I absolutely believe that he was more than "uncomfortable at first," and grew more afraid with every long minute she kept up what he would have to have thought was a pretense of taking photos of him naked in a shower.....for him.
     
  10. RickshawFan

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    I don't think she has a choice about working.... The prison warden has got revenge for the whole "maid" manipulation. Sharp cookie: she really knows her inmates.
     
  11. Hope4More

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    Mimi and Taylor and Michelle all fingered POS on the spot to LE. The efficiency of communication wasn't LE's, it was likely the SM grape vine of a large and interconnected community of friends and fellow ward members.
     
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    The Talie texts were less than 2 weeks before she went to Vegas. The petalled bath (or, candle lit bath, anyway), was in January, and the bath was definitely HER idea, not his (she texted him beforehand- "I want to take a bath with you. " No nuance there).
     
  13. ILikeToBendPages

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    Marking my spot
     
  14. RickshawFan

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    TA was a big guy. The shower has been described as very small, and it certainly looks that way from his "seated" positionor the position where he's cowering. He might have been in the habit of leaving the shower door open just so he would't feel claustrophobic.
     
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    What evidence is there that the school girl thing actually transpired or if it was some sort of fantasy act?

    The bath thing was the time they had sex?
     
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    I haven't posted in a long time. I was at Crater Lake recently and it made me think of Travis. Can some kind person let me know the latest on Jodi? I can't possibly catch up on all the threads. I've picked up on a few things I think... Was she moved? Reason? Roommate? She has a job? Does she have freedom now to be around other inmates? Visitor situation? Any details would be much appreciated on Jodi or anything else going on with the case!! TIA
     
  17. Wing Ding

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    All I know about Jodi lately is she got married and is expecting.

    See?
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    Also... in unrelated news: baby no. 3 for Kim, Mila rips Ashton in public and Courtney Cox romance blows up.
     
  18. geevee

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    There's a stickie on the front of the forum page for the appeals process that Hope is keeping up to date, great source of info for all the latest on that. I don't keep up to date on JA's daily doings and have never frequented any of her support pages so others will have to chime in there. I'm just happy she's put away where she belongs and civilization is safer because of that.

    Thanks for the brand new thread, ColdPizza!
     
  19. Hope4More

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    After rewatching Nurmi's redirect of the POS (I'm a hopeless Hope ;)) especially the very interesting part about what she says were in the pages of the journal she tore out, I have a new theory about what she told Travis on May that made him so angry, why the fight was so focused on sex, and why he repeatedly called her a whore.

    I think it's possible what she told him was that she had gone to a GYN after returning to Mesa, and had just gotten test results back saying she had a STD, and thinking it over, she could only have contracted it during the weekend she (supposedly) spent with John Dixon in August 2007. Which meant, she regretted to say, she could have transmitted it to TA in February (or afterwards).

    TA would have thought he'd have to go get tested for STD's (exposure and humiliation), and, the extra malicious bonus for her is that she'd have prevented TA from being sexually active until he did get tested.

    Her "I have something to tell you; something's, actually" texts to him late night on June 1 could have included a whoops- updated results, silly DR. All clear. Sorry to have worried you.

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    And while mostly fastforwarding through most of Nurmi's ceaseless questions about sex, several things caught my attention.

    On one----- succinctly, Rickshaw, I think you may well be right that she took those photos of Travis on June 4th after she waited for him to wake up, and surprised him after he had "pleasured" himself.

    ((On the "May 10" call she very deliberately elicited specific responses from TA about sexual activity, and repeated things he said she wanted emphasized, including what he said about his new habit of masturbating multiple times a day.))

    If she hid in the closet waiting to take those photos, that may be why in all her stories of the day it is SHE who always wakes up first.


    And if she surprised him while taking photos of him, even on his own camera, he would have had a great deal more difficulty turning down her idea of him taking photos of her nude on the bed. Which is all those "sex" photos demonstrate happened. Those photos that were so promptly deleted....

    (POS testified-- I was never very comfortable with the idea of taking nude photos. I only became somewhat OK with it after a year and a half, when I was willing to do them , but only because TA asked. And even then, only if they got deleted).
     
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    []PHOTOS OF CUT FINGER SHE TOOK BEFORE MURDER


    []Day 26, 1st day of redirect of POS.

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...D802603679657F0D8018D802603679657&FORM=VRDGAR





    She says she took 2 photos of her cut finger at work. The photos are date stamped June 1, but Nurmi testified for her that the photos were actually taken on May 31, after the POS declared, cutely, that she&#8217;s just not sure if the time stamps were in GREEN-WHICH or PST.

    The story &#8211; she was working night shift at Casa Ramas on May 31, and injured her right index finger putting glasses away because she was going too fast. POS explains: I hurt my finger, &#8220;it was clumsy, but not intentionally.&#8221;

    She said she took the photos on her Helio, after taking a shower. She peeled back the band-aid, saw it was &#8220;gnarly,&#8221; then ,(take a look at her look here when she says, I know it sounds strange after June 4, but&#8230;) I decided to &#8220;take a trophy picture&#8221; of the wound to send to a few friends.

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    (In Utah&#8212;band-aids were on my right hand. A different set of wounds. The May 31st wounds had healed, these were from breaking a glass at TA&#8217;s house the night I arrived, when we went into the kitchen to get a glass of water.

    Don&#8217;t remember if I had an injury on my left hand in Utah. Cut fingers weren&#8217;t a priority for thinking about or remembering.
     
  21. RickshawFan

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    POS has been with child for 18 months now. Poor babe is afraid to come out; in utero is bad enough.

    Seriously, the PV warden has got POS' number. 1. She's evidently been prohibited from asking for book donations to supplement the prison's stock of westerns, which she doesn't deign to read. 2. All her outgoing mail was censored, perhaps owing to the fact she was soliciting money, which is against the rules. 3. She was disciplined for calling a guard something completely unmemorable, and her privileges were rolled back; this meant she couldn't give her mom a hug, in vivo, so to speak. 4. A healthy percentage of every dollar that goes into her account is taken out for the Alexanders; every cent she has is subject to this deduction. 5. She spends a substantial fortune on hemarrhoid treatments. 6. Any attempt POS makes to get public attention is met with smack downs. Mostly, she's outta sight, outta mind. Ooh, forgot... 7. By now, she may have earned enough brownie points to wear orange tops and bottoms instead of a jumpsuit.
     

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