THE REST OF THE TAPES--VERY EDITED, WITH COMMENTS
Comment
..the Ninjas didnt expect her
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21:09 JA: No, I dont think that. I think I was an element of surprise for them.
21:14 DF: You were an element of surprise? So they didnt expect you to be there.
21:17 JA: I am guessing, I dont think so.
21:19 DF: They didnt expect you to be there?
Comment: Notice how the question about the ninjas not expecting her to be there takes her right to an incredibly long and detailed explanation about how it was Travis WAS expecting her
23:52
JA: Umm
I wasnt planning on going to Travis house. I was going to go to Santa Cruz. Well, I wasnt planning on going to Santa Cruz; I was going to Monterrey, but by that time I called Matt, he was like, Were in Santa Cruz, meet us here, and I said, Okay. So I went to the Red Room there, which is just a little kind of hang out for locals and younger kids our age, sort of, 20 somethings and 30 somethings, and I stayed the night in Monterrey that night, got up the next morning and visited with Darryl and his son before he went to school. Umm
drove
this is Tuesday the 3rd, umm
and driving to LA, I hadnt heard back from Laura yet, but thats what
It wasnt until I got to LA where I thought. I was looking at my map and Utah wasnt really on there but, I mean, Arizona, cause it was to Utah on the Map quest directions I printed. Umm, okay, I just, I just see like
25:57
JA: One was black, I think they were both black or dark blue or something. It was Anyway, umm it wasnt until I was in LA and Laura wasnt getting back to me, and it was already like 9 something and I was like maybe I will just go see Travis briefly. I called Ryan and I said, my phone was about to die and ummm I tried getting a hold of Matt, I got his voice mail. I was going to ask him if my charger was there and he could save it or mail it or something. Umm
so I just, I had a wall charger, I think, and I was just going to charge it later, I guess, when I got somewhere. Anyway, I did call Travis, and I said, Guess what? and he said, What? and I said, Im coming to Arizona tonight, and there was silence, and then he goes, Really? and I said, Yeah and he said, What made you change your mind? and I just said, I just
cause I told him I missed him or something, but I would have said because you are too compelling, but like he is too, hes already got a big enough head about that stuff.
So I showed up, and he was looking at You Tube on his computer, on his laptop, in the office. We watched that for a little while, and he was very happy to see me. Napoleon barked, but he always barks when somebody walks in, but then he was really happy to see me and he gets so excited. He does this thing with his butt where he goes around in circles over and over and over till he realizes, stop going in circles. So it was a good reunion. I told him I was tired. I dont know what his intentions were or what he thought my intentions were at the time, but I was very exhausted from the trip, and I just said, I think Im going to sleep, and he said, Thats fine. I slept pretty well the day before, but I was tired from driving all night, so I slept and he slept and we must have slept until about 1:00.
Comment: remember that Flores has already told her about sex pics and their time stamp of 1:45
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28:23 DF: In the afternoon?
12:24 JA: Yes, it must have been around then, and his roommate was home when I got there. I have never seen his roommate, though, so I must have been asleep by the time he got up and left. Okay, if you dont believe me, thats okay.
29:13 DF: Well, continue on with the story, about one oclock
29:19
JA: Yes, we had sex a couple of times. Once was in his bed and once was again downstairs in his office. He was looking at some pictures that I had brought for him, but he has a virus on his computer, so when he clicked the Start menu on Windows XP or Windows 2000 or whatever, you have like My Pictures, My Music, My Computer. You can usually click on My Computer and then go into the disc drive and open that. He clicked the Windows and it come up and none of that My Pictures, My Music, none of that would come up, so he had some kind of virus he was dealing with.
His screensaver was a bunch of little bugs eating up the screen. It was just weird, and he said that is from the virus, too. I said, Thats a cute screensaver, and he said, Yeah, its my stupid virus.
For some reason, that was frustrating for both of us, because we couldnt look at the pictures, and they were from a lot of our church history trips which are on my other external drive which I havent been able to access for a long time, since after Christmas, because it just quit, and I just havent had the money to spend to get all that stuff back.
30:41 DF: So you guys worked with that for awhile or
30:44 JA: Yeah, we had three discs, I think.
30:50 DF: So what time is this now you guys are messing with the computer?
30:54 JA: Um
I dont really remember, it was after we had...
30:59 DF: A couple of hours or so later?
Comment: Lots of detail to note below, including her saying Travis putting up furniture already to clean floors
. and why is she talking about not being able to sit on a couch in the living room if they are in his office trying to see the pics? Starts talking about having to convince him to take pics of shaving, but midway blurs that story of the past with what she says happened on the 4th. (Remember the text she sent him saying she wanted to redo shaving pics??)
31:00
JA: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe, after noon. I just, you know
He had been cleaning his house umm
so I couldnt
I wasnt sitting on the couch. Usually I would just chill on the couch downstairs, you know, if no one was home. Umm
but he had like chairs and all that stuff all over the couch. I think he was cleaning the floors or something,
uhh
fed Napoleon. I dont know if he made phone calls or not or what he was doing on the internet,
but at one point he was going to go up and take a shower and it took a lot of convincing prior when he was shaving. I was like, I got some ideas, and they didnt turn out good at all, not like I wanted to, but I thought that I could get some cool pictures of him shaving, cause he does the whole old-fashioned thing with like this little, I dont know how it works.
Umm
but he liked it though, apparently, because he used it for his profile picture on My Space.
Umm
so those didnt turn out as good and I was going to do that later but I asked him if I could take pictures of him in the shower, and hes like, No.
I was just like, I have an idea. Well, what do you mean? I was like, I said, I saw this thing in a Calvin Klein ad once and it looked really good, and youre right, he wasnt really comfortable at first. Hes standing there and he says, I feel gay. (Laughs)
32:33
JA: So some I deleted and some I kept taking umm
and some he looked really good, I thought. The one that you showed me yesterday looking right at you, I think that is a great picture. He hates it. I dont know what he hates about that. I think its a very good picture of him.
32:51 DF: So you were taking pictures and showing him?
32:54 JA: Yeah. Yeah. His shower door was open. His water pressure in that shower isnt that great, so its not like water was going everywhere. END OF VIDEO #14
Comment: Below is her ninja story, stripped down to what IMO are the kernels of partial truth about what actually happened.
00:18 DF: What happened when the last picture was taken?
00:25 JA: He was kneeling down in the shower. I dont remember.
01:12 JA: and
I dont really remember except Travis was screaming. I think I got knocked out, but I dont think I was out long. I know I got knocked in the head
. he uh
was screaming, and I was by the bathtub, and he was holding his head, and
01:57
JA: Umm
I remember putting my hand on his back, because he was on all four of his knees. He was like
(Jodi gets up, moves to the floor on all fours, positioning herself and demonstrating what position Travis was in as she describes this to DF)
02:11 JA:
on his knees like this doing something like this or something like, I dont know
and
03:13
JA: Umm
(
..)and Travis was screaming the whole time. He wasnt screaming like a girl. He was just like
like he was in pain
like he was like shocked, like Ahhhh, you know. He wasnt really moving though, you know, he was just kind of staying still on the floor.
04:00 JA: The girl was in the hallway, kind of. Um
and the guy was more toward in the bedroom, but like still in the bathroom, like on the tile carpet area right there where it starts.
04:48 (Jodi crying) I chickened out like a little bytch.
05:06 JA: Travis. Umm
he was
umm
he was still like conscious and still alive.
05:18 JA: No, I ran into the closet, because there are two doors, and they were sort of in the hallway already,
JA:
.. and I didnt have my stupid phone because it wasnt charged, and Travis phone is downstairs and I didnt know
His roommates I didnt think were home at the time.
Theres no way out except downstairs. His windows are
theyre two stories for one, and theyre just, they were hard to get to. He had stuff here and stuff here and blinds and screens and window coverings and I mean
from the outside
and I just
((Comment: is she talking about how to crawl in a window from outside?)
08:13 JA: Travis was bleeding everywhere.
08:18 DF: What was she doing to him, because he had been shot at this time, right?
08:24 JA: Yeah, but he was still alive.
08:27 JA: He was conscious even, like
08:29 DF: Still talking
08:31 JA: Oh, he wasnt talking or saying much, but I could tell he was breathing. He seemed like he was breathing calmly, I think, he wasnt like
He was just there. I cant really remember. It was such a blur.
09:08 DF: Did she have any weapons on her at all?
09:31 JA:
., he was screaming, and I saw her at this point, like right here, and walking. She must have been walking back this way, and I saw him sort of following, and thats when he was like, Finish.
10:13
JA: Um
I got Travis, and he wasnt like standing up really. He wasnt really doing much, and he was
I was trying to get him
and she came back. I got him kind of far, like right here. She came back and uh
He was just
He was starting to just get weaker and weaker
.
11:50 DF: How was she going to get you? Did she have a weapon?
11:52 JA: She had a knife.
11:54 DF: Okay.
11:58 DF: You said she had a gun before.
13:21 DF: So it seemed like they knew him, obviously.
13:24 JA: Yeah, but he didnt seem to know them. I mean he was a little out of it
.
(Comment- reminds me why I wanted her to get the DP).
13:35 DF: Well, he couldnt talk.
13:38 JA: He was able to say, Go get help, and at one point he said, Go to my neighbors house. Go to my neighbors house. There was just like
there was just no way out of
13:53 DF: Did you see them hurt him any more?
13:57 JA: Umm
13:59 DF: Other than a gunshot?
14:04 JA: Um
she had a knife and I dont know. He was bleeding everywhere. It was like
when she rushed me afterward, or she came back, I rushed her but she kind of came back at me. Umm
15:01JA:
I just knew I had to hold onto her hands because she had a knife.
15:08 DF: What hand did she have it in?
15:10 JA: She
she had it in this hand, but well, her right, so
15:12 DF: Her right?
15:28 DF: So you didnt see her hurt him anymore. He was just bleeding. Where did he end up?
15:35 JA: He um
When I tried getting him here, he said, Go get help. Umm I felt stupid already for trying to run this way. I was going to go to a phone, and he was like, Come on Come on. You know he was naked but I didnt care. Just Come on. And he was like, I cant. I said, Come on, and he said, I cant feel my legs.
16:22 DF: Were you clothed at that time or were you also nude?
16:26 JA: Yeah, I was clothed.
16:50 DF: Okay. So what happened after that?
17:09 JA:
and I was calling his name and they were like, Shut the hell up, Umm and I was just
I dont know if I was crying. It was all just like
It was so weird.
Umm
he pulled out my wallet and he just took some cash. Umm I had though my cash stashed in the jeans I had worn, like a good chunk of it, like 80 bucks, stashed in four twenties in the back of my jean pockets which were in my backpack ummm but I had some cash in here, not all of it though. So he took that, though and um
Comment: Shes remembering stealing his money, imo.
18:25 DF: What was she doing?
18:43 JA:
..that was just. I was sitting, and I was just like
I didnt know what to say. Do you beg for your life?
.Im powerless, because I dont have any way to stop them. They were just more powerful
.
Comment: Sickening. Shes thinking of Travis sitting in the shower, powerless, and mocking his story of a gun at his head, when he said to his audience exactly that- do you beg for your life?
19:17 JA: Shes like, it wasnt like super yelling. It was kind of like hushed, but intense like You need to da da da da da, and Shut up!
Comment- shes referring to herself, stabbing Travis and cursing him, kicking him, telling him to shut up
.
21:30 JA: He said, Leave now, and part of me didnt want to leave. Travis wasnt
was still alive. He was still... I could
He wasnt moving a lot, but he was still alive. I could see that he was still
21:50 DF: did you leave at that point?
21:52 JA: Umm
I left the room
21:54 DF: Where did you go?
21:55 JA: I went downstairs, but I didnt have all my clothes.
22:06 DF: What did you leave there?
22:07 JA: Well, Travis said I had some stuff there. I didnt see what it was. He said it was in his closet. He said there were clothes of mine, but all I had was my purse and my backpack. I left those and I went outside.
23:49 JA: No, it doesnt. I was wondering if they took my stuff to make it look that way, and they told me to leave, and, you know, umm
Travis usually keeps his cash in his wallet.
24:09
DF: Did you get hurt at all? You said you were fighting with her. JA: Yeah. DF: What happened to you? JA: Umm
she cut me. DF: Where at? JA: My hand. DF: Let me see. Where at? Can you show me?
JA: (Gestures with her left hand) You actually cant see it. If you look at
my finger isnt the same, though. I was
DF: Let me see. Where did it get cut? JA: It was
Conveniently it was right on the crease. DF: Right there on the crease? DF: So it was sliced there. Just a small one or was it pretty deep? JA: Umm
I dont know how deep it was but my finger hurt for a long
for awhile. DF: Okay, so like right in that crease that you
across both of them? JA: Uhh
not my middle finger, I mean it cut this one a little but not as much. This is where it really went in. DF: So it cut pretty deep then?
26:03 DF: Did you see any other cars in the driveway or on the street?
26:06 JA: Umm
26:07 DF: Any vehicle descriptions you can give us?
JA: Uhh
no. No, not that I
Not that I
I dont think his roommates were home.
26:50 DF: This does not make any sense -- does not make any sense!
26:58 JA: Its all I know.
27:04 DF: Nothing changes for me.
27:09 JA: I didnt think it would.
29:08
DF: I was hoping that you were going to be completely truthful to me today. Obviously, thats not the case. I know you were there. I know you had some situation going on with him that got out of control, and that cut that youre showing me there, thats pretty obvious how that happened. Ive seen that before. That happens when the knife slips through someones hand because of blood. Its slippery, and it cuts. Thats what happens. Ive done this for a long time, and this is the most far fetched story Ive ever heard, and its not going to help you. Is that how you want to leave this?
30:45 JA: I was there that day but I didnt take Travis life. END OF VIDEO #15
05:48 JA: Okay. Im just
If I had planned to hurt him in any way, I, you know, I am not the brightest person, but I
I dont think I could stab him. I think I would have to shoot him continuously until he was dead, if that were my intention. Again, and I would bring up the gloves again, but I would have to wear gloves. I mean I am not too worried about prints, because they are all over anyway, but I would never stab him. If, if, if I had it anywhere in me to kill him, the least I could have done was to make it as humane as possible, or quick, or something, you know, if any killing is humane, so to speak. I dont mean it that way
I would just...like, he was still alive...
06:48 DF: Yes. Yes, he was. He was alive for awhile, and I knew that he had been shot first, and he was still alive and possibly tried to get away, maybe even tried to fight back.
06:59 JA: I think he was in shock.
07:01 DF: But you didnt see him fight back or anything did you? He just kind of collapsed there and....
07:07 JA: No, he was here
..right outside of the shower...
07:10 DF: And then he
You pulled him this way and you tried to get away with him, but then he couldnt go any further.
07:16 JA: He said he couldnt move. He said he couldnt feel his legs.
07:19 DF: And that was the last place you saw him. You said that he stopped and he kind of collapsed right there. She was standing there and he was over here, and it just doesnt make any sense.
JA: He was still like able to move his
like, he was all
I guess he was all conscious up here sort of still. He wasnt like on his legs or on his knees or on his feet. He wasnt walking...
07:45 DF: He was crawling.
07:50 JA: Yeah, Im trying to think how he got over there. He was sort of using his legs, but he wasnt standing up.
08:06 JA: I dont remember what time I left, but...
08:57 JA: I know that I didnt take Travis life, and I know that you dont
09:00 DF: I know that you did.
09:01 JA: Look, I know you dont believe me.
09:03 DF: I dont believe you.
09:31 DF: Okay. Are you ready to go back?
09:39
JA: Umm
yeah, I guess. Id still like to say something to his family, but I dont think I have anything that could bring them comfort.
.maybe I could write them a letter. Would they receive it? I dont mean would they accept it. I mean, if I had the
if it made it to them, would they get it? Do you know? I know their address. I know his grandmothers address, and at least I could mail it, but I dont know if thats something...
10:18 DF:
.. Youre absolutely sure you want to leave it like this?
10:25 JA: I dont know what else to say.
14:52 FO:
. while were waiting, and youre just kind of sitting here and hanging out, if you want to draft the rough draft to Travis grandmother and family, this would be a good chance for you to do that (FO hands JA paper and pen). JA: Well, it will just be just a rough draft.
Later
after sandwich and writing..
FO: You all finished up?
JA: For now, I guess.
JA: For now, I guess. Can I take this or no?
FO: Ah, well, let me see make sure youre not sneaking jail secrets out or something.
JA: Okay.
FO reads what Jodi wrote on her paper.
JA: (Unintelligible) paper in there so I can keep writing stuff.
FO: Did you take some paper with you? Where did you put it?
JA: Right here in my pants.
FO: Did you write anything on it?
JA: No, do you want to see it?
FO: Hey, Chris, could you do me a favor and make a copy of that? FO appears to hand Jodis letter to Travis family to the unidentified detective.
FO returns the folded paper to JA.
JA: Thanks.
FO: Just go ahead and stick it in your pocket, if it will stay there.
LAST- and just because it is so satisfying:
FO: Can you stand up for me?
FO: Put your hands out in front of you.
FO: We dont use the belly chains very often.
05:52 Unknown detective (UD) enters the room and hands Jodi the paper she was writing a letter to Travis grandmother/family on. Jodi folds it and places it in her pocket.
(FO puts belly chains on Jodi. Jodi folds her letter and puts it in her pocket)
06:14 FO: Okay, youre ready to go.
06:20 FO and JA leave the interrogation room. END OF VIDEO #18