Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. #2

[Justiceforever]

Let me stop the video again to say this...I also ran an escort service in addition to being an escort...escort services do not employ drivers unless they r getting paid extra...otherwise u find ur own driver and make ur own arrangements with them under yours or their terms...back to the video...ty precious...I hadnt seen this before!

 

[Justiceforever]

Stuuupid smart phone! Im calling it a night...nite nite...till tomorrow! PEACE OUT!

 

[Tugela]

Let me stop the video again to say this...I also ran an escort service in addition to being an escort...escort services do not employ drivers unless they r getting paid extra...otherwise u find ur own driver and make ur own arrangements with them under yours or their terms...back to the video...ty precious...I hadnt seen this before!

Actually they do. Typically there is a fee added to cover transportation if the escort has to go out of the immediate area, generally around $50. The driver usually isn't an actual employee though, that service is normally farmed out to people on call who act as subcontracters. If the agency offers both incall and outcall services, the total fee will be that much higher for an outcall.

 

[Tugela]

Acording to the documentary on "Willie the Pig Farmer" in Vancouver....all the hookers in the town knew what was going on.

Apparently not, because he kept on killing them. It is easy for them to say "we knew" with hindsight.

 

[NoviceSleuth]

If its true that they went for playing cards and lube...thats easy enough. Strip poker and a masterbation show. Not joking! Beeen there done it...and was payed for it! This is assuming JB was truthfull when he said he didnt want sex.

First, thanks for your insight, info and posts!

JB and SG didn't go to CVS (or any store) to buy playing cards or lube. It was posted previously that they left his house together in his car for about 15 minutes but never left the Oak Beach community. So it appears they went somewhere within the gated community. MP didn't go and remained in his car in JB's driveway.

 

[PreciousDust]

JB and SG didn't go to CVS (or any store) to buy playing cards or lube.

You're probably right, they probably didn't. The idea of a trip for lube and playing cards was mentioned by Pak, who implies the trip didn't happen (link below the quote):

What happened in Brewer’s house is unclear. Several neighbors said his house was a party place so the idea he might have had house guests that night is not far fetched, although Pak denied seeing anyone else on the premises. When asked how long Gilbert was there, Brewer declined comment, saying he didn’t want to be portrayed like actor Charlie Sheen. Pak says it was about three hours.
Pak said he doesn’t really understand Brewer’s story about Gilbert being a man and he thinks she and Brewer might have had sex. At one point, he said Gilbert called on her cell phone from the house asking him to get lubricant and a deck of playing cards from a CVS. Pak said he told her he didn’t want to go because he didn’t know the area.
"When I told her this, she said she would find her own way home and hung up on me," he said.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/jersey_city_prostitute_still_m.html

 

[Adler]

First, thanks for your insight, info and posts!

JB and SG didn't go to CVS (or any store) to buy playing cards or lube. It was posted previously that they left his house together in his car for about 15 minutes but never left the Oak Beach community. So it appears they went somewhere within the gated community. MP didn't go and remained in his car in JB's driveway.

Did anybody ever ask JB to whose house, of the 71(?) houses within the gated community, he drove Shannan? Is it being presumptuous to conclude they went to a house? (What else is in OB to visit at 3:00 am? Did they go to the front gate to meet somebody else?) Was anybody else in the car with them?

Again, it would be nice to interview this wingnut and get him to lose the sunglasses.

 

[PreciousDust]

Is it being presumptuous to conclude they went to a house?

Probably, because how do we know, for sure, that anyone went anywhere?

 

[Adler]

Probably, because how do we know, for sure, that anyone went anywhere?

What do we know, then? Who went to JB's car? I heard he left for 15 minutes with Shannan in tow. Did he offer that information? Pak? What's the scoop? That length of time would lead me to believe he was meeting somebody at the gate or visiting somebody house.

I wonder if LE ever seized the phone records of all the OB residents just to see who else was up in the middle of the night talking on the phone when everybody else was zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sleeping. What about the Dj? The OB resident who accidentally erased the security tape?

 

[Adler]

I came up with a new theory...what do you think?

SG showed up and got paid by JB for the hour or so she was supposed to be there. They hang for a while; For some reason SG stays longer than she was originally paid for. SG tries to collect an amount from JB for the extra time that JB does not agree with. A disagreement starts. MP is called by SG. JB tries to make her be quiet because he dont wanna draw attention to fact he got a hooker at his beach house. SG freaks. Finally after a little freaking out, SG is finally gotten out of the door. JB stays in house, because the last thing he wants anything to do with is a psychotic hooker running around his quiet beach neighborhood when they all know he is married. Closes his front door because he wants nothing to do with whats going on out front. (lets not sugar caot things please). I have said it before, JB and SG were not trying to split the atom in that house. From there she plits, MP follows. SG goes to GC. Then leaves once MP shows up. From there we are pretty foggy. WHy would MP stop SG and get her in the car going down the other road. Besides if she gets caught he will get in trouble because she will squeal about why and who brought her out there. So MP tries to find a girl he knew for a pretty solid period of time. From what goes on from there...I am confuised. I find it hard to belive MP stopped looking for her after she ran out from GC's boat.

Fire away, what do you guys think?

Regarding the last line of your post: Pak's time for searching for Shannan was limited because he knew Coletti had called the police and the police were on their way.

 

[Adler]

I don't have any sort of idea or theory about what happened to Shannan. However, I do have the following to share:

It was reported that she was dressed in skinny jeans. These jeans were supposedly not on her body when it was found. I recall reading earlier in this thread that LE claimed she either took the jeans off as she ran through the area in which she was found, or the jeans fell off as she ran.

I wear skinny jeans on a regular basis. One could run a marathon in them, and they would not simply fall off unless they were 15 sizes too big. I doubt Shannan was wearing jeans that were 15 sizes too big, so IMO, it's impossible for them to simply fall off. I also don't believe that she took them off as she ran. If she was running, then she believed that she was pressed for time. Taking skinny jeans off while running is not an easy thing, and it doesn't make sense for her to do this if she was trying to escape.

If you don't believe me, just grab a pair of skinny jeans and try it. Trust me, it is very difficult.

Great point!

 

[Adler]

Maybe he's got a bad reputation. He's probably pulled the "I' m not paying paying" stunt before. It's a small world out there and the word was probably out on JB.

Was it? This is somewhat verifiable, if so. Does he still hire escorts? Any escorts that we know of who were or are currently or recently hired by JB? Can we get them on this thread? What about escorts predating May 1, two plus years ago? Do you think LE looked into this?

 

[LINative13]

Im back. We hit some inclimate weather.

By "THEY" I meant one of her coworkers.

Because thats what they were; a business. No one loved anyone.

Ill say this. If I did something illegal, but my FREIND was running around obviously in trouble where I just participated in an illegal activity. Even if I knew the cops were on the way for a disturbance or hooker charge; I would keep looking for them and deal with the law enforcement consquences just to make sure my FRIEND was OK. You kidding me? Would you rather goto a funeral or a courtroom? My friends are brothers to me. I would burn the place down to look for one of them, then tell the cop we need to find my friend first and arrest me afterwards.

Which raises another question; did SG's "friends" goto her funeral(if she had one)?

 

[mcme]

The OB resident who accidentally erased the security tape?

The cameras at the gate do not record to a tape that can be erased. The digital info gets stored on a hard drive that overwrites the oldest info with the newest info. At any time before it's overwritten, an event can be burned on a disk,or viewed on a monitor. Once it's overwritten, it's gone.

 

[Just K]

The cameras at the gate do not record to a tape that can be erased. The digital info gets stored on a hard drive that overwrites the oldest info with the newest info. At any time before it's overwritten, an event can be burned on a disk,or viewed on a monitor. Once it's overwritten, it's gone.

Residents of Oak Beach said that the tape was overwritten. LE and beach residents said that there was also a hard drive and that LE had possession of that.

This was discussed in VERY EARLY threads. The "Search" feature at the top of this page can be used to find these early discussions and quotes where both residents and LE allude to the fact that there was also a hard drive.

 

[Maddalenasgirl]

Maybe Shannan had been stalked and picked to kill and they wanted someone that did not live on Long Island. And don't say but she had a driver. I believe MP may well have been in on these murders, even paid to bring a victim.

I don't know who you are Redbird but you often express what I feel and can not find the proper way to verbalize.

 

[mcme]

Residents of Oak Beach said that the tape was overwritten. LE and beach residents said that there was also a hard drive and that LE had possession of that.

This was discussed in VERY EARLY threads. Just use the "Search" feature at the top of this page and you will see that both residents and LE elude to the fact that there was also a hard drive.

I think we both said the same thing. My point was that nobody erased anything, the info from that night was overwritten before anyone burned a copy of it.

 

[PreciousDust]

This was discussed in VERY EARLY threads. Just use the "Search" feature at the top of this page ...

I think that goes to what moderator Harmony2 said on this very thread just a few pages back, i.e.

Friendly reminder: Please refrain from discussing other members and how they should post or what they should do before they post.

"Bolding" mine. Some people might read all zillion pages of posts here, or do searches of the material, before asking a question, and that's great. But they're not required to do that, and people aren't supposed to tell them to do that. If someone asks a question that's been covered before, there's probably people here who will answer it for them; similarly, people who want to ignore the question are free to do that too. My two cents.

 

[Just K]

Just trying to be helpful and to make certain that facts that have been clarified and are on record are not confused...

In the case of the Oak Beach Community:
Residents and LE said there was both tape and a hard drive. Trying to keep the facts straight because although some systems do not use tape, apparently the Oak Beach gate did. The record on the tape is what was overwritten within a limited time. There was also a hard drive backup. No one, in LE or MSM, to date, has ever said that the images from May 1st 2010, captured on the hard drive, are gone, missing, or overwritten.

 

[PreciousDust]

Just trying to be helpful and to make certain that facts that have been clarified and are on record are not confused...

I think there's a great idea in there - it would be terrific to have a thread solely dedicated to what's known about the whole SG affair, so that people could refer to it instead of having to wade through so many pages, sometimes mistaking rumors or discredited info as fact. I see there's a reference type of page stickied for the LISK case as a whole, but there's not much mention of SG there (and maybe there shouldn't be, but that's the debate in a nutshell, I guess). I'm not sure the format of a message board lends itself to a timeline that incorporates all the known info (and the links and sources of verification for each bit of info), but it would sure be handy.