Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

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  1. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    @TKM: Do you know by chance, what kind of ID document it was? Because driver's licenses and most other IDs including picture credit cards are made form plastic. Just to wrap it up, by what kind of paper document was she identified. I looked in my wallet and found there like a dozen things, that would count as identification if my body would pop anywhere ... and none of them is paper.

    Peter
     
  2. Jenny9

    Jenny9 New Member

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    well she didnt drive,so i would assume no drivers license,so her paper id would be social security card and maybe birth certificate.you see peter in ny those 2 pieces of id are still paper,just an fyi
     
  3. To Kill a Mockingbird

    To Kill a Mockingbird Karma Will Get LISK!!!

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    Peter - I apologized to everyone stating - i didn't realize that the pristine paper identification found at the marsh - was private information - not public.
    so i am NOT at any liberty to tell you what exactly was found at the scene.

    On the other hand - i CAN tell you what it WASNT.

    IT WAS NOT A DRIVERS LICENSE - because shannan did not know how to drive.

    and yes, I am in permanent contact with the family. I will tell you, as Jenny9 will tell you
    and Truth spider will tell you - Mr. Brendt - there is information that the public has not found out
    (yet) and if you had this information...you'd be singing a different tune....

    but....its not ME that can release that information - its Mari and her lawyer and the Gilbert family,
    as truthspider well knows.....



    TKM
     
  4. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    Since I have those documents too, I am aware, they are paper. And I am aware, people usually don't carry them around. So, honestly, how many people carry their birth certificates around if they don't plan to get themselves killed? And even then ...
    That leaves the social security card. I have heard, some people really carry that thing around. Very few. You know, all these identity theft fears. But regularly it's somewhere in a safe box. So, I have to admit, the idea, that SG carried her SS card or her birth certificate, but no state id, no credit or debit card around with her that night sounds so "constructed".

    Peter
     
  5. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    And by that, I'm out of this thread. You, Jenny9 and Truthspider claim, without evidence to have "private" information and are able by that, to spread any kind of technically impossible theory above any questioning. This isn't investigation, that is travesty, especially given how many Mari Gilberts run around since over a year in the internet.
    See you back here when they got the guy.

    Peter
     
  6. fred&edna

    fred&edna Well-Known Member

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    Can you tell us... What reason did LE give for not allowing the Gilbert family to actually HEAR the 911 call?? I think I'd still be camped out there... refusing to leave until I heard it. But, I guess I don't know what the family knows.

    Thank you for sharing the info you have, although it makes me feel sad and sick and... mad!
     
  7. To Kill a Mockingbird

    To Kill a Mockingbird Karma Will Get LISK!!!

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    ditto.
    but i think hawkshaw is the one to answer this since he is a police man.
    If he can.... tell us the theory.....of why the police read the gilbert family a transcript
    of the 911 call...instead of letting them listen to it.
     
  8. Adler

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    Quite right. I never realized how much plastic is in my wallet. Still, temporary health card is paper, as are the many business cards, fortune cookie messages, receipts, and pieces of paper with scribble scrabbles on them. We know that SG wrote poetry by hand. Somebody posted a poem of hers that was written on paper. Back to my own mess of a purse: checkbooks, letter to be mailed, stamps. And one pen. A calendar. Lip gloss. Key to office. Stamps. Kleenix. What a mess! lol
     
  9. dcgrumpy

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    Most people that don't drive have a state issued ID, which is identical to a drivers license. SS cards and birth certificates aren't enough to use as ID since there is no photo.
     
  10. Aleph

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    Yet Pak and Brewer seemed to have worked together very well.
     
  11. Jenny9

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    i always have my ss card,its a permanent fixture in my wallet.imo since sg moved around alot,she probably didnt feel safe leaving her "paper ids"where she was staying,imo,and she would need her bc and ss if she decided to get a non driver id card,those are what you would need.so if those were the paper docs that were found then maybe she ws planning to go to mv and get a non driver id.not all people get them either even if they dont have a liscense,i know i probably would carrie my bc with my ss if i didnt have any other form of id,imo:moo:
     
  12. Just K

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    School registration & class schedules are often printed out on paper and carried about. Voter Registration Cards, some Insurance Cards, and Prescription cards are also printed on paper. For that matter, the labels on prescription bottles are still on paper but under adhesive. That paper is easily affected (the print smeared) by wetness, though.

    PASSPORT Covers and inside Pages ARE STILL made of PAPER...not plastic.
     
  13. Samantha Spade

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    Path train receipt?
     
  14. MrsPC

    MrsPC Well-Known Member

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    if they did not actually listen to the 911 call, why then in Mari's attorney's press conference did he state that Gilbert "can be heard" screaming several times during the call?

    did the transcript simply state - "screaming"

    ???
     
  15. Tugela

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    You don't know that he refused to pay her. He said he didn't pay her, which is to be expected because if he said he did he would be confessing to a crime, and he probably isn't that stupid. So, he said he didn't pay her, therefore no crime. Since the only people who would know otherwise would be her and him, and she is dead, it is impossible to prove otherwise.

    But the reality is that she would have expected payment when she walked through the door, so I think it is very likely that he did pay her. He just can't say it for obvious reasons.

    Pak wouldn't know if JB did or didn't pay until SG came back to the car and paid him. And since she was flipping out when he came into the picture, he likely doesn't know at all.
     
  16. Tugela

    Tugela Well-Known Member

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    Do you need to know how to drive to get a drivers license? Where I live you can get a drivers license that doesn't allow you to drive - people use it as ID.
     
  17. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, Firimar !

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    I imagine the same is true with respect to Brewer's statement that no sexual intercourse occurred between the two. I find that highly doubtful, given the amount of time SG spent at Brewer's. Is it possible Brewer is telling the truth? Sure. Is it likely? In my opinion, no.
     
  18. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    1. The police wanted to spare the family the agony of listening to the voice of SG on the tape. I would like to believe that is the reason.

    2. They didn't want the family to hear something on the tape.

    3. Covering something up.

    4. SG's tone of voice, etc, could have given the family clues as to what was really going on.

    I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IT IS # 1 ABOVE.

    NOTE* I was reading a transcript of an alleged murder confession. It was 20 pages long. I also had the videotape. I am watching the videotape and the suspect says something I didn't read it the transcript. I go back over both of them. This time I am following the video with the transcript. The time comes to the point where I find one page is missing. It is a critical part of the alleged confession. The big question is: Where did this page go missing and who did it and why. It could have been a simple mistake by the prosecutor of defense counsel. It is funny how these things always seem to happen. Yeah, real funny.
     
  19. BKS

    BKS Sleuthhound

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    You are absolutely right. I would imagine, business is business, cash up front, no refunds.
     
  20. truthspider

    truthspider New Member

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    Maybe the 15 minute ride JB and SG took when she first arrived was to see John #1 who agreed to pay for SG (and possibly pay JB a little) if JB brought her to OB. JB doesn't seem like he has the extra $450 or $1500 to actually pay an escort, and he didn't plan on taking his money back and killing her while her driver was outside.

    JB was a proxy, and the killer didn't know SG was brought by her own driver. The killer was and is too wise to have done what he did had he known SG was brought to OB by her own driver.
     
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