Shannan Gilbert Found, death declared an accident. What do you think?

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I have always wondered if Shannan felt safe with a 911 operator, knowing the call was being recorded and reviewed by others,but felt unsafe with the local police or rather a direct call to the station, or a local police official in particular (maybe even a person who pretended to be one) and that is why she supposedly fled when Mr. Coletti said he was calling the police.

Samantha, who can really say what was going through her mind. You may well be right.

If there is an answer to this puzzle it probably rests with the gals that continue the trade.
 

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Is not these persons are involved directly in the murders, I am saying there is a very good chance they were involved with the gals. But it wouldn't surprise me if they were more directly involved.

I still think, if, then a connection would be via the same supplier of recreational goods and services. But then, you would have a better overview, who delivers what in LI, right?
 

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I have always wondered if Shannan felt safe with a 911 operator, knowing the call was being recorded and reviewed by others,but felt unsafe with the local police or rather a direct call to the station, or a local police official in particular (maybe even a person who pretended to be one) and that is why she supposedly fled when Mr. Coletti said he was calling the police.

Given her profession and the history of drug abuse, she had a lot of reasons, not to like any cops. At least in her normal mindset. But since I still think, she was in a drug induced paranoia, who knows what she thought. If she really ran because Coletti was about to call the police, just a short time after she had a 23 minutes call herself, would definitively be prove, she was reall out of her mind so to speak.
 

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I still think, if, then a connection would be via the same supplier of recreational goods and services. But then, you would have a better overview, who delivers what in LI, right?

MR.BRENDT, that you are not telling us everything you know or suspect. The people that I have alluded to are heavily into hookers and drugs. I will say that when name is mentioned as to drug use his fellow travelers will tell you the guy is into booze big time.
 

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Maybe SG ran away from GC's for some other reason than his saying he was calling 911. I wonder if GC saw her phone in her hand?
 

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Well, I am not going to reveal my source, so maybe you want to put this in the rumor thread, but from the discussion I had several months ago with a trusted confident who would know, several police officers were being questioned on their extracurricular activities.
 

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There was also that one that was disciplined for having that affair...spending his shifts at the GF's while getting paid. It made the MSM news.
 

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JustK, I think the one you are talking about is in Nassau County. He was visiting a girlfriend, not prostitutes.

Sam Spade, who is questioning the cops, their boss - LOL. He is widely rumored to be the high chief offender of using and abusing prostitutes. When does rumors start becoming facts. He may have changed his style and now goes out with relatives of vulnerable people. He is rumored to have been squiring his main witnesses girlfriend in one of his classic frame up jobs.
 

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MR.BRENDT, that you are not telling us everything you know or suspect. The people that I have alluded to are heavily into hookers and drugs. I will say that when name is mentioned as to drug use his fellow travelers will tell you the guy is into booze big time.

I don't say everything I suspect because, in my opinion, the evidence is too thin. True.
And I am hinting, that said person, if actually heavy in hookers and drugs, must have a supplier. Which maybe would be also the supplier of other persons involved. That's just a guess. You were the detective in that area, so you would have more access to information about possible suppliers than I have. That's all.
 

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Well, I am not going to reveal my source, so maybe you want to put this in the rumor thread, but from the discussion I had several months ago with a trusted confident who would know, several police officers were being questioned on their extracurricular activities.

Old news, that was Spring or early summer 2011 and they focused pretty much on black cops. There were only some articles written about it and I can't find them again, but the links are somewhere buried in the LISK threads. Admittedly, I didn't pay too much attention because a cop is in the area the whole year, not only in the summer months. So it was in my opinion a dead end anyway.
 

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Sorry, Mr.B, but I can't help you there. The only thing I have to offer is the experience I received from my former life. One thing I have heard from what I consider to be highly reliable sources is that at least one time there was a drug and money supplier for crooked cops and DA's. This particular fellow goes back to the days of Tankleff. Those people that are familar with this fellow tell me this fellow goes back to the days of Tankleff. He was supposedly the coke supplier for Jerry Steuerman. He also ran most of the illegal card games in Suffolk County.

He is still active today, interacrting with public officials by using his connections to get Suffolk County related contracts. He has been known to be an informant for the police and DA going back to the days of DA Henry.

His niece through marriage has been known to have been very close to many burglars, drug dealers, and stick up men. A Joe Careccia, a once four year neighbor of a high ranking police official often took his swag to her apartment for safe keeping. He reportedly gave her some of the jewelry he got from his many burglaries. When Careccia was forced to move to Florida to run his widespread mortgage/bank fraud scheme, the high ranking police officer supposedly took up with her.

Her former husband is doing his second stint in a NYS prison for drug violations. Her brother was reportedly arrested for an A2 drug felony, pled guilty and received 5 years probation. Her other brother was an ADA in the SCDA.

This ranking official is reported to have took up with a gal whose brother was arrested for a felony. The brother reportedly askd her boyfriend, the official for a lawyer recommendation. He would retain, IMHO, one of the crookedest lawyeers in Suffolk County, or NYS, if you will. He got the guy to plead with a promise of a reasonable sentence. The brother wound up with triple the sentence he was promised, and is still sitting in a NYS prison.
 

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March 7, 2005

Behind Repeat Offender's Release, Prosecution's Helping Hand

By JIM DWYER

A jailhouse informer, charged with impersonating a police officer and killing a Long Island man in January, was able to avoid deportation at the end of a prison term last year because of a series of extraordinary interventions by the Queens district attorney's office, according to newly disclosed state and federal records.

The informer, Reginald Gousse, 31, is a Haitian citizen with a long history of kidnapping, police impersonation and armed robbery, but he had testified for the prosecution at one of the city's first trials brought under the 1995 death penalty statute and was given a major break in his own pending cases. Mr. Gousse also received another, far more unusual benefit: using legal means, prosecutors manipulated his criminal record so he was able to avoid deportation to Haiti. Richard A. Brown, the Queens district attorney, said he wanted Mr. Gousse to remain in the country so he would be available to testify again.

To thwart efforts by federal immigration authorities to deport him, Queens prosecutors helped him withdraw a guilty plea in February 2004 that he entered 12 years earlier for a 1992 armed robbery, and for which he had already served the full sentence. In its place, they allowed him to substitute a lower-level offense that did not meet the threshold for expulsion from the country.

Additionally, they delayed his sentencing on other, more recent violent crimes until the day he was released from custody, March 24, 2004. This had the effect of keeping him out of the state prison system - protecting him from retaliation for his work as an informant, but also shielding him from the scrutiny of federal immigration authorities.

"Someone did him an extraordinary favor," said Frank Kelly, one of the lawyers recently appointed to represent Mr. Gousse.

After he was set free last March, the police and prosecutors say, he began a series of fresh crimes that ended with the killing of James Gottlieb, 49, of Garden City, a husband and father of three. Mr. Gottlieb was stopped by a man impersonating a police officer as he drove home from his job as an assistant bank manager, prosecutors say. Mr. Gousse has denied the charges.

The Queens district attorney said he had no regrets about his office's handling of Mr. Gousse, because his testimony helped the prosecution of the killers of an off-duty police officer and the owner of a check-cashing store. "The murder of Mr. Gottlieb this year is no less a tragedy than were the murders of Detective Charles Davis and Ira Epstein," Mr. Brown said. "The only person responsible for the actions of Reginald Gousse is Reginald Gousse himself."

At the time the prosecutors made their deal with him, Mr. Brown said, they did not realize that he was not a citizen or that a federal immigration judge had already ordered him deported. When they found out several years later, Mr. Brown said, they exerted themselves to resolve his deportation problems to make sure he would remain available.

"We wanted to keep him here," Mr. Brown said. "We knew if he was returned to Haiti, we would have great difficulty getting him back, in the event we needed him back for appellate purposes or a new trial."

Federal immigration officials said that Mr. Gousse was precisely the kind of dangerous criminal whom the law requires to be expelled from the country after his debt to society has been paid, and that the actions by the prosecutors had foiled their efforts. "It was 100 percent our intention to deport this guy at the first available opportunity," said Manny Van Pelt, a spokesman for the federal Immigration Customs and Enforcement agency. "They basically absolved the conviction."

Immigration law specialists and criminal defense lawyers said they were astounded by the complex intercessions by Queens prosecutors on Mr. Gousse's behalf. Under recent immigration law, people who have minor violations, like jumping a subway turnstile three times, can be subject to deportation. Prosecutors in Queens and elsewhere in New York have routinely refused to reopen even petty criminal cases to help immigrants avoid expulsion.

"It's rare that a noncitizen is allowed to change a plea, as usually there is strong opposition from the prosecutors and the court system generally," said Manuel D. Vargas, a lawyer who is the author of the handbook "Representing Noncitizen Criminal Defendants in New York State."

Mr. Gousse's case provides a glimpse of the high-stakes bargaining with criminal witnesses in serious cases, the especially vexing problems posed by jailhouse informers and the intense bonds that can develop between law enforcement officials and sources. District Attorney Brown said that such witnesses have a strong motive to lie, but also enjoy close access to other prisoners. Jurors are told to weigh the credibility of witnesses, like informers, who receive benefits for their testimony.

The saga of Mr. Gousse, however, shows that a full accounting of the benefits was not presented to the jury that heard him testify, in large part because layers of his problems and the prosecutors' determination to help with them did not emerge publicly until long after the case had ended.

A Life of Crime

Mr. Gousse was born in Haiti on June 11, 1973, and moved to Queens when he was 10 years old. Most of his life in the United States has been spent behind bars. He was first arrested on Jan. 1, 1990, in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., caught in the act of robbing a grocery store. In the 15 years since then, he has spent all but 17 months in jail for one offense or another.

After he finished his sentence in Florida in 1992, he returned to New York. Five months later, he committed the first crime as an adult that could have led to his expulsion from the United States, the robbery of an auto body shop in Queens Village. "I handcuffed the auto body shop owner to his file cabinet," Mr. Gousse later testified, then took a Nissan Pathfinder and $3,000 cash.

Arrested a few days after the robbery, Mr. Gousse was sentenced to two to six years. In 1993, a year after he arrived in prison, immigration authorities began deportation proceedings on the grounds that he was an aggravated felon, and in November 1997, an immigration judge ordered that he be deported at the conclusion of his prison term.

In an unusual twist, Mr. Gousse avoided expulsion when his term ended the following month: he was transferred to the custody of Florida authorities, to serve about two months for violating probation. And for reasons that are not clear, when he was released from prison in Florida in February 1998, the authorities did not turn him over for deportation. Nevertheless, the order remained in effect.

He returned to New York, and in early May 1998, he carried out two elaborate robberies - first stealing a car at gunpoint from a dealership, then fitting it with lights so he could pose as a policeman and waylay the manager of a Staples store on his way home. "I approached the man with the red light on, ordered him out of the vehicle, and when he said, 'Why am I being asked to get out of the vehicle?' I said something to the effect, 'You have outstanding warrants,' " Mr. Gousse later testified. At gunpoint, he took the man to an apartment, strapped him to a chair with duct tape and forced him to reveal the store's security codes.

At Rikers Island in the summer of 1998, Mr. Gousse struck up a relationship with George Bell, a 19-year-old man awaiting trial in the killing of the off-duty police officer and the owner of the check-cashing store, a capital murder case. In September 1998, Mr. Gousse wrote to prosecutors, saying he had acquired evidence "of colossal relevance" from Mr. Bell in the killings. Mr. Gousse had not witnessed the crime - he was in prison at the time - but he said that Mr. Bell had confessed to him.

He testified against Mr. Bell the following year, and as a reward, prosecutors recommended that Mr. Gousse serve five years for the robberies of the car dealership and the Staples, instead of the 21 years he might have received. While that deal was openly discussed in court, there was no mention of his immigration problems.

"Everyone thought he was an American citizen," District Attorney Brown said. It was not until 2003, when Mr. Gousse was near the end of his five-year term, that prosecutors learned that he was an immigrant and that the 1997 deportation order was still in effect, Mr. Brown said.

The only way to keep him in the country was to undo the legal basis for the deportation, which was Mr. Gousse's 1992 conviction for robbery. So on Feb. 26, 2004, 12 years after he first admitted the crime, Mr. Gousse appeared in court as his own lawyer and, claiming that he was given bad advice by his lawyer in 1992, asked a judge to substitute a charge of possession of stolen property, which carried a term of less than one year and would not subject him to automatic deportation.

The judge asked an assistant district attorney who was handling the matter in court for the day, "Is there a reduced sentence that you will recommend?"

The prosecutor replied, "Yes, your honor, a definite term of five months."

That new plea, said Mr. Van Pelt of the immigration agency, effectively killed the deportation order.

Deportation Looms

Yet that was not the end of the elaborate solutions to Mr. Gousse's immigration problems. New convictions loomed. Although he had pleaded guilty to his 1998 crimes in 1999 as part of his deal, by last March, Mr. Gousse still had not been formally sentenced for them. Prosecutors had asked the judge for a postponement, an approach occasionally taken with criminals who are also cooperating witnesses in other cases.

Under New York law, Mr. Gousse's guilty pleas could not be entered as convictions until the day he was sentenced. Any one of the convictions would have been serious enough to lead to his deportation.

At Mr. Gousse's sentencing on March 24, 2004, an assistant district attorney, Brad Leventhal, urged his immediate release. He had, after all, completed, and actually exceeded, the agreed term of five years. "This defendant has done everything that he ever promised to do, and we are very happy to fulfill our commitments at this time," Mr. Leventhal said.

The judge, Roger Rosengarten of State Supreme Court, urged Mr. Gousse to put his freedom to good use and said, "You'll be home by sometime this afternoon, I hope." No one mentioned his immigration status, and no restrictions were placed on his movements.

Because he was immediately released from custody, immigration authorities had little chance of catching up with him. "Had he re-entered the correction system, he would have been back on our radar screen," said Mr. Van Pelt, the immigration spokesman.

District Attorney Brown said that he was "comfortable" with the deal his office struck with Mr. Gousse because he had offered information about the robberies and killings at the check-cashing business that could only have come from one of the killers: George Bell.

However, Mr. Bell's lawyers, Sonya Zoghlin and Mitch Dinnerstein of the Capital Defenders Office, argued that everything Mr. Gousse claimed to have learned about the crime from Mr. Bell, including some mistaken information, could also have been learned from newspaper articles and legal papers that Mr. Bell kept in his cell at Rikers Island. The judge at the trial, Arthur J. Cooperman of State Supreme Court, refused to permit a defense investigator to testify about those materials. Mr. Bell was found guilty and sentenced to life without parole.

"I believe my client George Bell was wrongfully convicted based, in part, on the false testimony of Reginald Gousse," Mr. Dinnerstein said. Prosecutors, however, note that Mr. Bell admitted the crime in a videotaped statement.

News accounts of the killing on Long Island this year of Mr. Gottlieb - another business person stopped by a police impersonator - reminded Mr. Dinnerstein of the events in the Staples robbery. He called a crime-tips line, and his information led Nassau County detectives to focus on Mr. Gousse, said Detective Lt. Dennis Farrell of the Nassau County Police homicide squad.

Elizabeth Gottlieb, Mr. Gottlieb's wife of nearly 25 years, said she had gone through all the possibilities about his journey home on the evening of Jan. 5. He was shot less than a mile from their home. What if her husband had not moved last summer from a bank branch in Brooklyn to one in Cedarhurst, so he could be nearer home? What if she had not insisted on cooking that night, and he had instead stopped for a take-out dinner?

Then there is the matter of Mr. Gousse.

"If he had gotten what he deserved for those other crimes and stayed in jail - but you can't dwell on that," she said.

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ALTHOUGH the above post is off-topic, I would like you to read the attached article anyway. It shows you how far the Criminal Injustice system as sunk so low that it probably beyond repair. This is NOT a Suffolk County related issue, but it does show you the state of disrepair the system has sunk to.
 

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There are and were very obvious 4x4 tracks/trails in the briar and bramble-filled field.

There is No Witness that saw SG enter, on foot, into the area behind the homes on Larboard Ct and just off of Anchor Way. There is NO PROOF that SG ever even made it to the entry way to that field.
Taken before of after LE drove their 4x4s around?
 

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I have always wondered if Shannan felt safe with a 911 operator, knowing the call was being recorded and reviewed by others,but felt unsafe with the local police or rather a direct call to the station, or a local police official in particular (maybe even a person who pretended to be one) and that is why she supposedly fled when Mr. Coletti said he was calling the police.

More likely the reason was that she was having a psychotic episode and freaking out. Any sort of threat, no matter how innocent (such as calling the police) would have sent her running.
 

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MR.BRENDT, that you are not telling us everything you know or suspect. The people that I have alluded to are heavily into hookers and drugs. I will say that when name is mentioned as to drug use his fellow travelers will tell you the guy is into booze big time.

I am sure there are many people into "hookers, drugs and/or booze". That doesn't make them serial killers.
 

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Sorry, Mr.B, but I can't help you there. The only thing I have to offer is the experience I received from my former life. One thing I have heard from what I consider to be highly reliable sources is that at least one time there was a drug and money supplier for crooked cops and DA's. This particular fellow goes back to the days of Tankleff. Those people that are familar with this fellow tell me this fellow goes back to the days of Tankleff. He was supposedly the coke supplier for Jerry Steuerman. He also ran most of the illegal card games in Suffolk County.

He is still active today, interacrting with public officials by using his connections to get Suffolk County related contracts. He has been known to be an informant for the police and DA going back to the days of DA Henry.

His niece through marriage has been known to have been very close to many burglars, drug dealers, and stick up men. A Joe Careccia, a once four year neighbor of a high ranking police official often took his swag to her apartment for safe keeping. He reportedly gave her some of the jewelry he got from his many burglaries. When Careccia was forced to move to Florida to run his widespread mortgage/bank fraud scheme, the high ranking police officer supposedly took up with her.

Her former husband is doing his second stint in a NYS prison for drug violations. Her brother was reportedly arrested for an A2 drug felony, pled guilty and received 5 years probation. Her other brother was an ADA in the SCDA.

This ranking official is reported to have took up with a gal whose brother was arrested for a felony. The brother reportedly askd her boyfriend, the official for a lawyer recommendation. He would retain, IMHO, one of the crookedest lawyeers in Suffolk County, or NYS, if you will. He got the guy to plead with a promise of a reasonable sentence. The brother wound up with triple the sentence he was promised, and is still sitting in a NYS prison.

Somehow, this went a bit confused. Originally, you was the one thinking, SG + GB4 would be victims of some kind of LI sex trafficking connection. Or at least, this is how I understood your original post. So my suggestion was, to start with where those guys get their stuff. Because chances are, whoever supplies said person would likely also have supplied for example JB. There can't be too many suppliers active in that part of LI and on that level of connections, because that would end up most likely in a turf war behind the scenes.
So, no need to apologize for not being helpful, in fact, you brought in an interesting puzzle piece for your theory. Because, it would make said person in LE and JB customer of the same person, at least, when it comes to recommendations for prostitutes and party supplies. What you still need is:

- evidence for such a connection
The interesting point is, that here is maybe the hook to hang Brewer on, because if he bought the party materials, a good DA could maybe find a case for "negligent manslaughter" or something.
And if you can prove, this goes up into the local LE and DA offices, then the whole thing becomes federal because the local PD would under investigation for those stories. So, an attempt to prove it would be certainly worth the effort.

- a connection to the GB4
Since the only connection this puzzle piece could establish is "said person -> same dealer -> JB" (under the assumption, you can prove it in the first place), you would need either to prove, that JB also killed the GB4 (no evidence or possible connections in sight for that as far as I can see) or that "same dealer" supplied as well another killer (but it would take some detectives to make "same dealer" talk, I guess).

So, this "supplier" maybe one piece of the puzzle, but to prove the sex&drug- connection, you would need more. Didn't Truthspider once mention, his father was an ADA in the area or something before he went to private practice? Something like that? Truthspider, come in, please, this theory would need your knowledge!
 

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ALTHOUGH the above post is off-topic, I would like you to read the attached article anyway. It shows you how far the Criminal Injustice system as sunk so low that it probably beyond repair. This is NOT a Suffolk County related issue, but it does show you the state of disrepair the system has sunk to.

And on another only loosely related subject, the prayer of a desperate man:

God, give me the courage, to change the things, I can change.
God give me the strength to bear the things I can't change.
And please, oh Lord, give me the wisdom to distinguish those two!

(I translated it from a German version, so if it's not perfect, sorry!)
 

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And on another only loosely related subject, the prayer of a desperate man:

God, give me the courage, to change the things, I can change.
God give me the strength to bear the things I can't change.
And please, oh Lord, give me the wisdom to distinguish those two!

(I translated it from a German version, so if it's not perfect, sorry!)

WELL one thing I have the wisdom to know: I am not going to chage you.

And how the hell am I going to prove anything?

If you read my posts more carefully you might understand I am NOT saying the police or other LEO are responsible for the murders......ooops, I forgot.....SG wasn't murdered. What I have been saying is there is a very strong possibility that LE is so conflicted with dealings with hookers, etc., they are unable to investigate this case.

I know 2 people personally, one a former LE and his friend, a civilian. The civilian was there when the LE received a phone call from one of the persons I am alluding to in my posts. The LE was told to round up a group of gals from the strip clubs they frequent and bring them to a party. Both the LE and civilian knew exactly who the caller was talking about as to who the gals were for.

PROVE WHAT!!! People like you are still working on the world is flat.

A sex trade ring theory? It is still my theory and it is the one that makes most sense to me. I could be wrong and that is why they put erasers on pencils.

I HAVE SEEN THE SCPD AND DA IN ACTION. I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF. AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO PUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER TO SIT, LISTEN, AND QUESTION I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING.
 

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WELL one thing I have the wisdom to know: I am not going to chage you.

That's wise, my ex-wife tried that for years without success :floorlaugh:

And how the hell am I going to prove anything?

If you read my posts more carefully you might understand I am NOT saying the police or other LEO are responsible for the murders......ooops, I forgot.....SG wasn't murdered. What I have been saying is there is a very strong possibility that LE is so conflicted with dealings with hookers, etc., they are unable to investigate this case.

Well, I would have added some more issues that would make SCPD usage-disabled in this case, but certainly I agree, that is one of them. And I never understood you as saying the murdered anybody. It was all about the, lets call it "social" obstacles in their way to solve the case.

I know 2 people personally, one a former LE and his friend, a civilian. The civilian was there when the LE received a phone call from one of the persons I am alluding to in my posts. The LE was told to round up a group of gals from the strip clubs they frequent and bring them to a party. Both the LE and civilian knew exactly who the caller was talking about as to who the gals were for.

This kind of secrets rarely stays a real secret for long. It's only nobody speaks openly about it and thus, those people get away with it. On the other hand, I understand, whistle blowing can endanger one's health.

PROVE WHAT!!! People like you are still working on the world is flat.

Relax! You have no idea, how often I heard sentences like that. People from cases, I profiled ten years ago argue still with me on the base "okay, you were right Peter, but you couldn't know that". So just relax please. If I would get a dollar for everyone who told me I have no idea what I'm talking, I wouldn't need to work anymore. Still, as far as my profiles go, as of yet, my hit quota is untainted. And it's not my problem, that people don't listen. Sooo ... I am pretty relaxed too.

A sex trade ring theory? It is still my theory and it is the one that makes most sense to me. I could be wrong and that is why they put erasers on pencils.

You know well, I have another theory, at least as far as the GB4 are involved. In my opinion, SG is an unconnected case. But however, lets for a moment, assume, I would put my mind to work on trying to prove you theory.
First thing, SCPD and the DA office are not able to investigate this case. One of the reason is the conflict of interests created by having the same "hobbies", and even if that wouldn't be, I doubt the ability of the SCPD to handle any case/group of cases, that involves any SKs. Things haven't changed since Rifkin. And that is probably also true for NYPD in that aspect.
So, what I could do, is getting information. This information includes a picture of all the persons involved, including also the brass of the SCPD. Then I draw lines with the relations. The next thing I would see is, there is a gap in the picture. Right between the persons, we know were involved in any form of the events that night and the PD. There are no relationships in that picture. So either, I find some or I have to abandon the theory.
The obvious pivot point has, according to the sex trafficking ring theory the sex trafficking ring itself. It has to be at least one visible point or the johns, aka customers, wouldn't be able to order anything from that ring. So what you would need is to find that open visible point.
We know, JB phoned with SG and Pak (he gave the way description on the phone to Pak, SG nodded). So obviously there was no middleman in that. That gives us two possibilities:

- Either JB was the middleman and ordered for someone else (keep in mind, this isn't my theory, I only try to show some steps appearing logical to me if I would be in the situation to prove that theory).

- Or, there was a kind of recommendation coming from that alleged ring to JB in order that he would know about SG in the first place (which would her internet ad render as unconnected).

So this boils it down to two questions: Was JB ever arrested or named in connection with arrests for prostitution, as pimp, as solicitor of prostitution or in connection with drug abuse and prostitutes? If not, you can forget him as middleman because it would be pretty inevitable if he would all the time order prostitutes for others and keeps them for hours in his house.
The other question is simpler. Where did JB find SG? What did he say? Via her internet adds? Who took the phone call then? I think, asking your acquaintances would give you a hint.
So with that, you have a picture of the situation. And when you have such a picture, you can estimate where to look for hard evidence. Admittedly, at some point, you end up in a dead end because you would need any LE authority to get some of the evidence (that's where I stuck with the traffic tapes from the Expressway). But at least, you could try to get enough circumstantial evidence together to convince, lets say "some higher authority".

I HAVE SEEN THE SCPD AND DA IN ACTION. I KNOW WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF. AND IF YOU EVER WANT TO PUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE TOGETHER TO SIT, LISTEN, AND QUESTION I WILL PROVE IT TO YOU WHAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF DOING.

Well, they are not too different from other highly usage-disabled PDs, I have seen in SK cases all over the world. At least nothing appears to me that way - yet. And as you wrote, you don't think, they murdered anybody, the issue is more in their "recreational activities". If you think, SCPD is inept, look at Galveston PD for example. Those guys can make SCPD look like geniuses. Also the German BKA delivered a nice embarrassing case with their "Serial Killer X" story. Belgium had the Dutrout case and his customer list included parts of the countries government, a lot of police and other celebrities, talking about a case of conflict of criminal interest here. So while I agree, they are not very able or willing in Suffolk County, there wave been worse mutants out there.
 
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