Shannan Gilbert's 23 Minute 911 Call #2

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What transpired just prior to that call is the key.

It seems like a very complex set of events converged on Shannan at the same time.

Hypothetical Scenario:

Shannan travels with Michael Pak from Manhattan to Oak Beach on a promise of $500 for a 2 hour date with an approximately one hour drive.

They arrives at Joseph Brewer's house in Oak Beach at 2:00 AM at which time Shannan should have received $500 in advance of the date. Everything seems to be going well enough that Joseph Brewer requests an extension of the date at 4:00 AM.

Shannan must have said something about transvestites to Joseph Brewer during the course of conversation, and this triggers him into thinking that Shannan may be a transvestite, and also to think that he may have had intimate contact, but not intercourse, with a transvestite.

Joseph Brewer calls for an immediate end to the date and refuses to pay for the extended time, feeling he's been duped. He orders Shannan to leave, but she refuses to go without getting paid for the extension, which results in an argument.

What caused Shannan to seek shelter behind the couch and call 911? Did Joseph Brewer physically assault her? Did she receive a text message or a voice mail containing a threat or alluding to imminent danger?

Once Shannan calls 911 both Joseph Brewer and Michael Pak realize that they have to be much more careful in what they say and do. They are now more than enough phone records to tie them both to Shannan on that day.

We know that Shannan ran from Joseph Brewer's house to Gus Coletti's house, then eventually to Barbara Brennan's house which was a very short walk from Peter Hackett's house.

We know Peter Hackett called Mari Gilbert after the fact, and that in addition to Mari Gilbert's sworn testimony regarding what was said, there are other sworn affidavits implicating his ties to Shannan.

We know Michael Pak went home without Shannan, Shannan never left the area and also that the $500 which should have been in Shannan's purse was not there when her belongings were discovered.

I can only conclude from this that in addition to a possible threat or imminent danger stemming from Shannan being a co-defendant of Joseph Ruis, an additional scenario played out simultaneously that involved Peter Hackett providing unsanctioned medical treatment to Shannan that morning.
 
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i could be wrong but sounded to me like there was a third male - one that sounded a bit like JB but not exactly. Also - when we hear her scream, I heard a male scream back at her (almost like a taunt, pleased that he would scare her), which in turn made her scream again. Wondering if anyone else heard these things?
 

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i could be wrong but sounded to me like there was a third male - one that sounded a bit like JB but not exactly. Also - when we hear her scream, I heard a male scream back at her (almost like a taunt, pleased that he would scare her), which in turn made her scream again. Wondering if anyone else heard these things?
My thought was that it was Michael Pak that yelled when Shannan ran away from Joseph Brewer's house.
 

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previously JR stated there were 4 911 calls - one from SG, one from JB and 2 from the neighbors. what happened to the JB call?


Re: “Ray says he received discs with four emergency calls made the night Gilbert disappeared. It includes Gilbert's call and calls from witnesses.”

Re: “Ray previously told Oxygen.com that three other 911 calls were made that night. One call was from Gilbert's client Joseph Brewer and two were from neighbors.”
 

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In the beginning of the tape or the 911 call it appears that Shannan was more out of it, or incoherent than later in the call. It makes me wonder if she had passed out and then woke up? Perhaps this is why the date ended sooner?

Which then makes one ask ... if she was drugged? Or she mixed her drinks w the wrong kind of meds or drugs, etc.?

Which led her to become disoriented, dazed and confused?

I know there was mentioning of her not trusting GC but I think if your life depended on anyone, a much older man would not be so intimidating. She was desperate for help and from what I could hear from the call she wasn't responding to him at all.
Perhaps this is why she said she was near Jones Beach but meant Oak Beach.

Also, it sounds like she made the 911 call when she was alone or when JB went out to MP's car. You can then hear JB saying something about the "Driver is out there...the driver's right there"

Then at some point you can hear MP asking Shannan "Please take my hand" to leave and saying "it's time to go" in which she kept replying, "why?"
 

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2006-2008: Shannan Gilbert, Alex Diaz and Michael Pak work for escort services run by Joseph Ruis out of NJ.
Shannan, an escort, meets both Diaz and Pak, drivers, during this time period.

2007: Shannan is arrested in a prostitution sting while working in NJ for one of Ruis' escort businesses.

2008: Hudson County PO begins a year long investigation into Ruis' businesses starting w World Class Party Girls. This investigation utilizes undercover agents, wire tapping and confidential informants. HCPO allocates a great amount of resources into this investigation and quickly discovers that Ruis' businesses spider web out into much more than one escort service. Ruis has three separate escort services, a limo service, a kebab restaurant and various other LLCs. He is laundering 3 million a year (and that is only the cash he cleans). HCPO find records of clients paying tens of thousands of dollars for single bookings. In one instance a client paid 100k. I don't care how many escorts and shish kebabs you can pile into a limo for a client, it's not going to add up to 100k.

July 2009: HCPO obtains a warrant and raids Ruis' homes and businesses.
Ruis is arrested.
He makes cash bail shortly thereafter and is released.

The charges in the case are filed:
First-degree money laundering,
N.J.S.A. 2C:21-25;

Third-degree promoting prostitution, N.J.S.A. 2C:34-1b(2);

Third-degree conspiracy to promote prostitution and distribute cocaine, N.J.S.A. 2C:5-2, N.J.S.A. 2C:34-1b(2), N.J.S.A. 2C:35-5a(1), and N.J.S.A. 2C:35-5b(1);

First-degree leading a narcotics trafficking network.

Shannan Gilbert (along with one other name I've seen in threads but have been unable to verify) is listed as Ruis' co-defendant in this case.

April 2010 - Ruis is arraigned, still free on bail.

May 2010 - Shannan Gilbert goes to Oak Beach.

June 2010 - Ruis goes to court, pleads way down to 5 years, serves 2 years and is released.

From the beginning we have been fed the narrative that Shannan Gilbert was working independently - that she was no longer involved with Ruis.

But this information is inserted into the narrative by Michael Pak, and only Michael Pak, who time after time in interviews and depositions states that both he and Shannan were working independently on a regular basis.

According to Pak, he acted only as a driver, Shannan posted her own ads using her own phones, negotiated her own client fees and paid Pak a percentage for driving her. Pak had no role other than driving. He did not know the clients and it was only Shannan who booked them.

The reality is that we do not know if Pak and Shannan were working independently and we do not know if they'd severed ties with Ruis.

We especially don't know this as it pertains to the night of Friday, April 30, 2010, when Pak claims Brewer, a man who neither he nor Shannan knew, called Shannan on her phone for an outcall 2 hours away to OB, a place neither he nor Shannan had ever been.

More according to Pak and only Pak:
he and Shannan sat in his vehicle in midtown Manhattan for hours that Friday night with no work, refreshing posts on Craigslist, with Shannan becoming increasingly upset. (Shannan's emotional disposition will become a recurring theme in Pak's accounts.)

Pak then claims Shannan had a quick outcall somewhere in the neighborhood.
Pak claims not to know where or with whom but that she walked there herself and within 20 minutes was heading back to Pak's vehicle during which time they communicated via phone.

Just as a reminder: one fact that we DO KNOW is that Joseph Ruis was free at this time, his trial was a month away and Shannan was listed as a co-defendant.

I'd be very interested to know what this 20 minute meeting was about, who it was with or if it even happened.

Phone records are objective fact.
Pak plays dumb but he is absolutely not dumb.
He knows phone records cant be argued away.
He's criminally intelligent - it's why he's always so careful in his accounts regarding location - he never crosses state lines - and how he knew that the people he was trafficking from Southeast Asia could claim religious asylum if caught.

So if he knows there will be calls that show up btwn himself and Shannan at a time he claims they were sitting for hours side by side in his vehicle, he better have a reason.

It's the same as when he knows a bunch of phone calls are going to show up in Oak Beach from his phone to Brewer (who he'd never met), Brewer to him, and him to Shannan, at a time when he was supposedly sitting outside the home of Brewer while Shannan was supposedly inside providing sexual services.
Pak comes up with a highly detailed story about CVS, playing cards, lube and a phone exchange w Shannan in which she angrily exclaims "Fine, I'll find my own way home!"

Pak's account of this exchange serves 3 purposes:

1- it implies that Shannan was emotionally off-kilter that night - a theme that Pak peppers throughout every bullsht word he vomits out of his mouth about Shannan from the start - she was highly emotional and unpredictable, she was bipolar and refused to take her medicine, she was an alcoholic and constantly sipped from a fast food soda cup which she mixed liquor into, she was a drug addict and did coke and ecstacy often, she was paranoid, she often got lost when trying to find her way out of clients' buildings - all these statements are systematically shot down by Ray in the deposition.

2 - it provides Pak with an explanation for the flurry of calls that took place btwn him and Brewer and him and Shannan while he was supposedly parked outside Brewer's residence on a routine independently booked outcall: he was calling because Shannan, in her emotional instability, told him to leave and he wanted his money.

3 - it lays down the foundation for the reasoning he will later use when he claims he left Oak Beach without Shannan: She herself told him to leave so finally he did, assuming she found her own way home.

We do not know anything that was said in those phone calls, where Brewer, Shannan or Pak were while the calls were made or what they were doing.

In the same way, Pak volunteers the fact that Shannan has this very short appointment before going out to Oak Beach.
Imo, this means that something is in the phone records that will show she was not in the vehicle with Pak at certain points; that they were calling eachother from different locations.

I think wherever Shannan went during that period of time is very important and linked to the events that occurred in OB.
Whatever that appointment was, it wasnt a sex related meeting.
If i had to guess, she was either picking up product from Ruis' people to take out to Oak Beach or meeting with law enforcement as a CI.
Or some overlapping gray area in which both are true.

If we refer to the charges laid out in the trial scheduled to begin the very next month: "conspiracy to promote prostitution and distribute cocaine" - that's one charge - it's not promoting prostitution and also distributing cocaine separately - it's conspiracy (which to me always translates to RICO) to promote prostitution as a means of moving large amounts of cocaine.
These was conspiracy and distribution charges - these were not escorts and drivers bringing eightballs as party favors.
They were moving distribution weight.

But, according to Pak, neither he nor Shannan were working for an agency, neither he nor Shannan knew Brewer and the night was just a simple outcall for sex.

In the words of my grandfather:
"Do you know what chewed up grass is?"

As an aside, it's also of interest to note that when John Ray deposes Pak for the civil case against Hackett, he asks Pak what he did after leaving Oak Beach after supposedly searching for and failing to find Shannan. Remember, Pak has rambled on for paragraphs at a time about how Shannan and he were working independently so far in this deposition. What did Pak do after he left OB early May 1 without Shannan?
He answers that he went to meet another agency driver at a Dunkin Donuts in Queens to pick up cash, he then purchased a Green Dot card and transferred that cash to the Green Dot card to send to the agency - the agency which neither he nor Shannan worked for according to him.
Ray, disappointingly, does not push this issue, I can only assume, bc it does nothing for his case against Hackett.)

To get back to the main point, Shannan Gilbert was listed as a co-defendant in a large case against Joseph Ruis, scheduled to begin the month after she went out to OB.

Ruis is indicted April 2010 (still free). Shannan goes missing May 2010.
Ruis goes to court June 2010.
Shannan is not there.
Ruis makes a deal to get a 5 year sentence, and is released after 2.

I think it is very important to understand that, regardless of Pak's attempts to manipulate the narrative, the objective inarguable truth is that Shannan Gilbert was not only involved in organized criminal activity, she died exactly one month before she was scheduled to testify as a co-defendant in a trial against a far reaching very large organized criminal enterprise.

Joseph Ruis wasn't making his money from hundred dollar outcalls and shish-kebabs.
He had clients on record for "services" for up to 100k.
That's no regular outcall.
That is using escorts and drivers to move produ
And that year long investigation that took place and led to Joseph Ruis' arrest utilized many resources... including Confidential Informants.

If you're Shannan Gilbert and you get picked up in a sting in NJ and the Prosecutor's Office comes to you and tells you your employer is at the center of an investigation that goes far beyond an escort service and you're going to face those charges with him...unless you cooperate, in which case you'll get immunity, what would you do?

If you're Joseph Ruis, out on bail, a month away from a serious case against you, and you find out one of your employees, not just any employee but the one listed as co-defendant in your case has made a deal w the State...what would you do?
This makes the most sense out of anything I have seen or read. And I have seen some crazy stuff on social media. What I think are wild crazy theories about the cops and wild sex parties and or snuff films. I couldn't take the craziness any more.
 

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previously JR stated there were 4 911 calls - one from SG, one from JB and 2 from the neighbors. what happened to the JB call?


Re: “Ray says he received discs with four emergency calls made the night Gilbert disappeared. It includes Gilbert's call and calls from witnesses.”

Re: “Ray previously told Oxygen.com that three other 911 calls were made that night. One call was from Gilbert's client Joseph Brewer and two were from neighbors.”
Joseph Brewer states in his deposition that he contacted 911 after he spoke with Alex Diaz on the phone Sunday Morning. It may be possible that the person who called 911 has to give consent before the call can be released.
 

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This makes the most sense out of anything I have seen or read. And I have seen some crazy stuff on social media. What I think are wild crazy theories about the cops and wild sex parties and or snuff films. I couldn't take the craziness any more.
I am in agreement with you, but cannot figure out how Peter Hackett fits in to that scenario, unless the scenario Peter Hackett's involved in was a separate and coincidental set of circumstances.
 

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I am in agreement with you, but cannot figure out how Peter Hackett fits in to that scenario, unless the scenario Peter Hackett's involved in was a separate and coincidental set of circumstances.
He could fit in because it wasn't part of the plan for Shannan to call 911 or get away, run out of the house. Could see have knocked on Peter's door? Then he drugged her. Did he know Brewer and Brewer have called and asked Hackett to give her something to calm her down, so they could get her to leave?

What i can't understand is Pak and Brewer didn't take her phone either when she arrived (if the plan was to kill her all along? You don't want her to have her phone. And they never tried to take it when they realized she was talking to someone i e.911. Unless they didn't think she would call 911 . But I still think they would have taken her phone, instead of still asking her to leave (with her phone)
 

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Also, if the call came around 4:51am on May 1st by the time she was out of the house the sun more than likely would be coming up. I believe I hear birds chirping in the background. I bring this up b/c I can't imagine Shannan choosing to run through thick bramble if she had clear vision of other choices. (other homes etc) but maybe she had no other choice. idk.

I believe I also heard Shannan saying "they're going to kill me" right before the 911 operator interrupts her unintentionally by speaking to what sounds like another person in the room. Sadly, those were the last words spoken by Shannon that were heard on the call.
 

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Did anyone hear what sounded like someone going up (or down) steps early on in the recording? I can't remember the exact floor-plan of JB's house but I know it was multi-level. I also can't remember why the guy in the basement was immediately cleared... I never knew whether to believe all the chatter around his book, etc. Maybe it doesn't matter about him. Anyway, I heard what sounded like someone on steps, not just someone walking on flat ground.

jmo
 

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He could fit in because it wasn't part of the plan for Shannan to call 911 or get away, run out of the house. Could see have knocked on Peter's door? Then he drugged her. Did he know Brewer and Brewer have called and asked Hackett to give her something to calm her down, so they could get her to leave?

What i can't understand is Pak and Brewer didn't take her phone either when she arrived (if the plan was to kill her all along? You don't want her to have her phone. And they never tried to take it when they realized she was talking to someone i e.911. Unless they didn't think she would call 911 . But I still think they would have taken her phone, instead of still asking her to leave (with her phone)
I think Shannan had multiple cell phones. Once she was on the phone with 911 the plan in Girlinterrupted’s scenario was foiled. There were too many phone records between Shannan, Joseph Brewer and Michael Pak for them to avoid being linked to her on that day. I don’t believe Joseph Brewer and Peter Hackett colluded to give Shannan medical treatment. I think Shannan ran into Peter Hackett as she ran deeper into Oak Beach from Barbara Brennan’s house.
 

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I have a basic question - so we hear SG say “mike” plenty of times, but how was it determined that the other man was JB? Rereading JB deposition made me start to think about that… he states he’s not even sure if he ever met him??
 

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In the beginning of the tape or the 911 call it appears that Shannan was more out of it, or incoherent than later in the call. It makes me wonder if she had passed out and then woke up? Perhaps this is why the date ended sooner?

Which then makes one ask ... if she was drugged? Or she mixed her drinks w the wrong kind of meds or drugs, etc.?

Which led her to become disoriented, dazed and confused?

I know there was mentioning of her not trusting GC but I think if your life depended on anyone, a much older man would not be so intimidating. She was desperate for help and from what I could hear from the call she wasn't responding to him at all.
Perhaps this is why she said she was near Jones Beach but meant Oak Beach.

Also, it sounds like she made the 911 call when she was alone or when JB went out to MP's car. You can then hear JB saying something about the "Driver is out there...the driver's right there"

Then at some point you can hear MP asking Shannan "Please take my hand" to leave and saying "it's time to go" in which she kept replying "why?"

I stand corrected and like to add it's the State Police she's on the phone with not 911 - 911 transferred her call to State Police
 

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Does anyone have the court documents or arrest records for Shannan that list her as co defendant with Ruis? Or an arrest for Shannan on June 30 or July 1 2009? Documents tying her to World Party Girls?
 

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Does anyone have the court documents or arrest records for Shannan that list her as co defendant with Ruis? Or an arrest for Shannan on June 30 or July 1 2009? Documents tying her to World Party Girls?

I have only news reports, no court docs.


Gilbert has a standing indictment in Hudson County as a co-defendant in a case concerning First Professional Referral Services, the escort service where she was allegedly employed, on charges of conspiracy and promoting prostitution, DeFazio said.

The main defendant, Joseph Ruis, was convicted of money laundering and sent to state prison on a five-year sentence, DeFazio said. Ruis has since been paroled.

DeFazio said if the remains are identified as hers the case will be dismissed against Gilbert, who was out on her own custody at the time she disappeared. DeFazio said that despite the indictment Gilbert was considered missing rather than a fugitive.


ETA: Not that it is related to SG but I have to wonder if this is the same Joseph Ruis (the age would match, and I thought he had moved to CA)

 
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