Shannan's 23 Minute 911 Call

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  1. Seaslug44

    Seaslug44 New Member

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    I remember discussing it but all of our posts are now buried in the long locked threads about the case. Thought we should have a thread that just specifically discusses and documents what we know (and speculate) about that call that we so desperately need to hear.

    I will start off by pointing out some key quotes about the call. Here is the now legendary first interview with MP (Shannan's Driver). Remember, all of this took place back in May but nobody gave a damn until December when the bodies were found. No matter who you are, your memory is not going to be 100 percent accurate and able to quote words exactly seven months later.

    -The Jersey Journal December 15, 2010
     
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    Seaslug44 New Member

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    Seaslug44 New Member

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    -New Bones in Killing Probe
     
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    Seaslug44 New Member

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    Is it poor reporting or are there more than one sources leaking different information about the call? The variations being reported about the call go on and on...

    -The Long Island Murders: When will the count stop?

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    Cops working to see if missing Jersey City woman is among 4 bodies found in N.Y


    -Craigslist Murder Rampage

    -Missing woman's family speaks out

    -Missing woman's family speaks out
     
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    Seaslug44 New Member

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    The original article can be read here; Jersey City prostitute still missing after 13 months of searching


    Here is a copy of the text from the article below. I put in bold the areas that are extremely critical.

    PART ONE

    My thoughts;

    • If Shannan & her boyfriend Alex were looking to save money by eliminating third parties from taking a cut from her income, why did she hire Michael Pak as her driver instead of simply letting Alex be her driver?
    • MP DID NOT pick up Shannan from New Jersey. According to Alex, she took the PATH train into MANHATTAN to meet him!!! Here we go again with the NYC Connection!
    • Brewer did not find SG on Craigslist.com.
    • Shannan's escort names are Madison & Angelina. Escorts rarely ever use their real names (no matter how comfortable they are with a John). JB would have known her only by one of these two names.
    • Shannon is also Biracial. We know from the press releases from the SK's calls to MB's younger sister that our SK has used the term "mixed-breed" to describe MB.
    • Who is the neighbor on Anchor way who made the third 911 call??
      This article contains some really amazing information. It was written with the assistance of information obtained from an Oak Beach residence with some inside information. There are some outrageous facts (manythat have been overlooked) written in this article.
     
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    AmandaReckonwith Defective Detective

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    ps149 New Member

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    I found the information in this short thread to me most informative.
     
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    http://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-news/releases/view?id=36094

    Most recent info about the 911 call:

     
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    LINative13 New Member

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    It still is bizarre that the last two people especially the pimp seen chasing her are dismissed as suspects so quickly. But I guess if you're trying to sell an accidental death scenario you can't have suspects.
     
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    It's strange that they admit "someone" was after her and she "clearly believed she was in harm's way", yet they claim accidental death when her skeleton was found a year and a half after she disappeared- immediately following that call to 911.
     
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    Tugela New Member

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    They would have used the 23 minute call as context and looked to see if it was consistent with what MP and JB said in their statements. Then they would look at Coletti's statements. If it was all consistent they would have no reason keep those two individuals as suspects.

    What was on the tapes is less important than the consistency of accounts with the tapes. If these guys claimed one thing, but the tapes said another, then LE would have grounds for keeping them as suspects. However, that does not appear to be the case.
     
  13. MadamReporter

    MadamReporter Thin-Ice Skater

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    Then if LE is so sure that Shannan's death was an accidental drowning (no pants and all) why do they REFUSE to release the 911 tapes? They can't use the excuse that it will hinder their investigation since there is NO investigation, being that it was ruled an "accidental drowning."
     
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    mcme Driven away

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    In Suffolk county it's not a matter of it compromising an investigation, they just don't release 911 calls, period.
     
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    This makes absolutely no sense to me. Can you translate this so a laymen like me can understand it?
    Thanks
    It's fact pak was chasing her tho.
     
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    mcme Driven away

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    The tape and what sg says and does on it are indisputable. When they interview anybody who's heard on the tape it's easy to see if they're telling it like it is/was or if they're trying to slant it one way or another, or even outright lie. You, having not heard it or interviewed anyone feel mp chased her. The people who did both feel pak was being truthful when he said he was following her to get her in the truck to go home. They also feel jb was being truthful when he said he just wanted her out of his house. Of course, a wide ranging conspiracy involving a bunch of people who never met before could explain that.
     
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    All due respect: No one saw Pak leave. He may be telling part of the truth and he may have found her, got her in the truck and drove out onto the parkway. For all we know a struggle ensued, he killed her and rolled her out of the car and down into the brush. Or maybe he or someone else struck her, with their vehicle, and she was thrown into the brush. We don't have a clue as to what part of PaK's story is true. For all we know, when he and her boyfriend/pimp went back...(and early reports, per Pak, had them going back later that day) they may have dumped her clothes and such in the brush.

    We have absolutely no idea when her body ended up 1/4 of a mile away-plus from her belongings or even an estimate on how long her remains or her belongings lay there. Only witnesses to her death know those facts.
     
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    Hi. Long time lurker, first time poster. I've been in LE for over 2 decades in the Los Angeles area. I've worked vice, narcotics, gangs and patrol, among other assignments. I have seen hundreds upon hundreds of people under the influence and experiencing drug induced paranoia. I believe That is what SG experienced. If so, she really DID believe one or more people were trying to harm her, even if they were actually acquaintances or friends trying to help her. It's impossible for someone experiencing drug induced paranoia to distinguish between what is real and what is a side effect of the drugs. I believe MP and JB are being truthful. That is just My opinion, based upon experience.
    Having said that, I don't have enough facts to form an opinion on whether or not SG was a victim of murder or some unfortunate accident.
    Glad to be here, always follow SK cases, love the theories and ideas.
     
  19. giagreen

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    Exactly!!!! This could have been an accident. Pak could of killed her with out even trying to. Scared he told her BF they went pack put her stuff in the bushes, rolled her down in the brush, stopped by peoples houses acting as if they were looking for her. Asked the doctor to make a phone call so that her mother wouldn't panic and he involved him self willingly out of boredom. And bam everything isn't what it seems anymore. But I've found that what's simple is true. The more complex things get the more likely someone is trying to trick things up.
     
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    How long have you been lurking? It looks like you signed up in 12/13. This thread is set to private and can only be viewed by members.
     
  21. LINative13

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    Unfortunately you can't just roll someone into the spot where SG was found. She either ran to that spot or was carried there.
     

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