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  1. A_News_Junkie

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  2. Spice

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    Right. But was she a sociopath at 6 months old? Or did her environment shape her into a child that had tendencies and then an adult that was full blown?

    I do not believe that there are evil babies or even evil children that were predetermined at birth to be such a way. We do learn empathy, and when we don't it is because it was not shown to us or extended to us amongst other reasons. Our ability for compassion and empathy can be stunted by our environments and socialization.

    Cindy is VERY disordered and narcissistic for sure. She was also a very permissive yet controlling parent. Permissive parenting has terrible effects on children, and if Casey had innate traits in her personality that could make her more susceptible that is one thing, but to be born evil is entirely another.
     
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    Thanks for this. While going over the again timeline recently, it struck me that she kept mentioning to people (Jesse) and (Playboi aim chat) on the morning that Caylee died, that she "could not stay at her parents anymore." It was strange. I wondered if it were true due to the fight with Cindy or if she knew what she was about to do (jesse actually interrupted her!) and therefore, knew she could never come back to that house to live again because she wouldn't be able to produce and answer for Caylee.

    We know she never did sleep there again for the next 31 days and was possibly setting up the Jeff Hopkins story as a way to get out of coming home ever again.

    Very interesting.
     
  4. Steely Dan

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    You know a lot more about this than I do, but I wanted to add something. There's an episode of "Through the wormhole with Morgan Freeman" that talks about psychopaths.

    A psychiatrist started working with psychopaths in prisons to find out why they did what they did. He discovered that they all seemed to have the same brain defect found through MRI, and a gene identified as the "Warrior Gene".

    While he was doing this his mother told him to research his family because they were descendants of Lizzy Borden. So he took MRI's of his entire family and started looking at them. He found one that had the exact brain scan as the psychopaths. At first he thought that a prisoner's scan had gotten mixed in with his families, but was shocked to find out it was his own scan.

    He was obviously unsettled by this and asked his family if he had any strange behaviors that would make them think he's a psychopath. They all seemed unsurprised by this finding. His son, on camera, said there had been times he was afraid of him.

    He concluded that if a psychopath is raised in a loving home with good parents they could fit into society. If they had a horrible upbringing. Like SA, or PA they would become the more dangerous type of psychopath. I thought it was really interesting. I think being a psychopath starts as a birth defect and then is guided by their environment. JMO

    I believe KC told them that in order for her to be pregnant she had to have had sex and she never had. IIRC.
     
  5. Spice

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    Interesting. And you are correct, the brains of antisocial people do look different under a brain scan. The part of the brain that controls our emotions/empathy looks different (smaller) and does not "light up" as much. But that does not mean the 100% they were born that way.

    A persons brain can be changed by many things. It is developing until we are 26 years old. (although it can change after that too)

    For example, they have found that people that suffer from PTSD a particular part of their brain has changed in response to the stress, trauma, and violence that they witnessed.. (this can happen with abuse as well. Very much so) It is why they tend to be more hyper-vigilant. The brain does something called "pruning" (totally fascinating) and up until a certain age, it will respond to your emotions and literally keep or get rid of what it thinks that you need.

    So, a person (not speaking of Casey here) that grew up in war ridden country or in a house with chronic domestic violence, their brain will prune what it thinks that person needs or doesn't need. (more like what that person is using most) In this kind of case, the brain makes the area in the brain needed for alertness more pronounced (hyper-viglance) because it thinks we need it to survive.

    Same thing with people who meditate professionally or even minimally. Their brains look totally different than those of us that do not. They are lit up like Christmas trees. So much activity!

    Our brains are so complex and fascinating, and those in science are learning more and more about them all of the time. Up until pretty recently, it wasn't possible to study a live brain, it had to be done on corpses which can only tell you so much. With technology what it is now, they can study the brain in its active state and they know so much more because of it.

    All of the research is interesting, but there is still no empirical research or definitive proof that anyone is "born" a sociopath or a "bad seed." What you said is true, it is sometimes a combination of both biological AND environmental causes, or created solely by environment and socialization. Nothing is absolute. It is the same reason that two siblings can grow up in the same house and in the same environment and be totally different. It's not because they are born that way, it is because each persons unique innateness and personalities will react with their environments in different ways.
     
  6. Desdemona

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    Remember this blast from the past? From Troy Brown's OCSO interview:


    5 TB: There was a, it was a Facebook message.
    6 EE: Facebook. Facebook.
    7 TB: And uhm, and huh, and this was on, uh, this was at 12:40 p.m. on the 24th. And
    8 she says uhm, this is referencing Amy moving into the house. And she [FCA] said she [Amy]
    9 still has yet to move into the house. "Hell, in the past nine days I haven't even
    10 been living at the house. Drama. "I'll fill you in on it later."

    http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_T_Brown072508.htm
     
  7. Intermezzo

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    bbm
    She got upset with George when he went to investigate the supposed armed robbery at Casey's part time job....Sports Authority(another place she said she worked but never did work there...but she did have a friend who did work there....)
    Casey told her parents she was robbed at gun point while working at Sports Authority and George wanted to go over and speak with the Manager about what went on...
    IIRC Casey was given money to deposit into some bank account and did not but gave her parents an authentic looking deposit slip...
     
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    I too remember that day
    I watched the local breaking news about skeletal remains of a small child found close to the Anthony home
    It Rained that day... the sun did not shine that day..it was dark, grey skies.
     
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    That describes to a T a very close family member of mine...who again today created a boat load of drama in the family.
    This person is elderly but she still can disrupt the family with her lies/stories/deflecting blame etc..
     
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    BBM - Yeah, with other people's money.
     
  11. Desdemona

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    I do understand everyone who marvels at Cindy's mind-boggling level of apparent denial.

    :cool: However, count me among those who don't buy it for a second:

    ... that Cindy wasn't covering for FCA all along
    ... that Cindy really believed FCA was working, while the whole time FCA was stealing her blind.
    ... that Cindy honestly believed that Casey was "bloated" or had a "tumor"
    ... that Cindy ever for one second bought FCA's stories about Zanny babysitting Caylee for free and even purchasing Caylee her own car seat, wardrobe, toys, etc.
    ... that Cindy really believed the smell of her missing granddaughter's decomposing body was from "rotting pizza."
    ... that Cindy ever believed Caylee was alive after July 15.
    ... that Cindy swallowed the "digging up bamboo" explanation about FCA borrowing the neighbor's shovel.
    ... that Cindy really thought FCA was "an excellent mother" deserving of the "mother of the year" award.

    I could go on.

    Naw. Not everyone is as cynical as me, but I simply can't attribute that stuff to denial; not from this lady who was seeking custody of her granddaughter and told FCA's friends her daughter was a liar, a thief, and a sociopath. JMO
     
  12. Spice

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    Oh no! I totally agree. She was covering up, obstructing, and lying constantly for Casey, before (work etc) and after the "dead body in the damn car" 911 call. I just don't believe that before July 16th, Cindy knew anything about Caylee's whereabouts. I do think she was desperate to know, but maybe even a little afraid to find out.

    Another poster had mentioned that she thought that Cindy "knew from day one", I don't believe that at all. I think deep deep down in that abyss of denial and magical thinking that is her brain, she knew that something was very very wrong, hence the Myspace plea. I think she was desperate and knew that her daughter was capable of horrible things. She just would never admit it to herself or others, except under some rare and unguarded moments.

    It takes a great amount of denial and lying to oneself not to go find Casey sooner than the 16th. If my situation were like Casey's, my mother would have tracked me down like an animal if I did anything like this. Within days.
     
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    I had never heard of the supposed robbed at gunpoint story Casey told her dad. What else have I been missing ?? I do remember something about Tony's neighbors being robbed (apt broken into) while Casey was living with Tony. Does that ring a bell ?
     
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    I believe you will find that Sports Authority info in one of Georges LE or FBI interviews.
    Also,iirc, it was boyfriend Tony's apartment that was broken into while he was in NY and Casey could not stay/sleep/live in his apartment while he was gone.
    But she did keep his Jeep to drive even though he thought she was just going to return it to his apartment and leave it there
     
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    I can't believe it's been 4 years. I cried then and I cry now. What a beautiful little girl you were, Caylee Marie.
    oxoxoxox
     
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