Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020 #6

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  1. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    Thank you! I corrected the elevation of the pic.
    If anyone has other interpretations of the body location, feel free to markup this map.

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    The original map

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  2. searancke

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    Yes, she could have fallen from the Pic or the trail just below the porte.... If the Pic then she could be anywhere in the Oval, if the porte the one side only.... but we may never know where she was walking.
     
  3. otto

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    Suppose she ascended the Port de la Glere from Spain. Suppose the map she used showed two lakes, and that she should follow on the left side (left side based on photo) of the second lake to find the Port. That's the correct path.

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    What if she got mixed up, thought these were the two lakes, and ascended to the Pic by accident. The smaller lake is 60 meters at the widest. She did have some issues with maps and trails a few days prior to disappearance.

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    Something like this

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  5. searancke

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    The yellow oval approximates @otto 's red oval on the contour map....I have added a green line as I think it must be to the right in order for the skull to end up on the red cross....which I think we are all agreed is the correct location - on the trail at 2200m
     
  6. Ruthbullock

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    You wouldn’t need much violence if you were stood in a vulnerable place. Likelihood is misplaced footing, however she could have been startled either by an animal or someone else and fallen- I’m not sure we will ever know the full story.
     
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    MEDIA ADVISORY - ESTHER DINGLEY

    Contrary to an erroneous report, LBT Global would like to confirm that Daniel Colegate has not been 'quizzed at length' by police. As he found Esther’s body, he will give a statement, as is standard procedure, but has not yet done so. Media are urged again to check such information with LBT Global before publication. We would like to take this opportunity to thank those media that have clarified facts with us in order to ensure accurate reporting.

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  8. The_Investigator

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    I think she looked scared.
     
  9. Ruthbullock

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    I had a friend who left her house in the early hours of the morning, left her husband and two children- woke up, walked out in the night in the middle of winter and went and sat by a tree in some fields until the cold took her away from depression, and sadly her family and young children. It’s not always what you think suicide. She was found the following afternoon.
     
  10. The_Investigator

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    I wonder if she was uncomfortable with the encounter with the rescue team. Dan seemed elated, especially about the dogs and was babbling on very happily. It’s the only video, and I’ve watched them all,.. where she wasn’t managing the camera or wasn’t the main conversationalist. Almost like she was put on a back foot, about the rescue team. Perhaps she was already planning a mountain suicide and was inwardly feeling guilty. I’m the same, I go blank if my thoughts are at odds with the sudden unexpected situation or encounter with someone I’ve done wrong against, or was planning to in the future. I.e. problem neighbour etc.
     
  11. Ruthbullock

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    I do wonder if there maybe new witnesses appear- who didn’t connect the dots of where ED would be found.
     
  12. The_Investigator

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    Excellent deduction, I’ve done something similar myself once,… thought the lake was another lake and went completely down another ajoining valley, following a sheep trail and stream,.. thing they were the path…. Hours later turned up 10 miles down the wrong pass,.. it was only in the Lake District, so at least I could get a bus back to Keswick at 8pm thank god !
     
  13. CoverMeCagney

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    I think she looked calm.

    Depends how you want the narrative to fit, doesn’t it?
     
  14. CoverMeCagney

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    I didn’t know there were reports Dan had been quizzed by police. Where was that?

    EDIT just googled and the only place I can find mention of it is The Sun, which says:

    An investigating source told The Sun:

    As the person who discovered the corpse of a missing person, he was questioned again at length.It was routine. There is so far zero evidence of a crime.”
     
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  15. Hope4More

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    Lol. The different interpretations here of what ED might have been feeling in that video remind me:

    1. Why our jury system is such a marvel: 12 peeps with 12 interpretations of the evidence, having to arrive at a consensus.

    2. The unreliability of eyewitness testimony.

    (Fwiw, I saw someone who might have been a bit tired, but who was fully aware & there, often with a little smile on her face, who kept having to restrain herself from piping up, but for whatever reason had chosen to give him the floor). ;)
     
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  16. Hatty

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    Yes indeed. CID would be informed and would investigate and prepare a file for the Coroner. Their involvement does not necessarily mean there has been any criminal activity but the Coroner needs the best possible explanation as to how and why a person died in order to determine a cause of death.
     
  17. RickshawFan

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    Very helpful. The apex of the triangle is likely lower than the Pic. However, the contours might make the base of the triangle (="skull zone") in the same spot you have.
    Now for some advanced contour-reading skills....
     
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    Yes indeed. CID would be informed and would investigate and prepare a file for the Coroner. Their involvement does not necessarily mean there has been any criminal activity but the Coroner needs the best possible explanation as to how and why a person died in order to determine a cause of death.
    Exactly. Anyone finding a dead body would be asked questions surrounding the discovery and would have to provide a statement for the Coroner. If the police suspected DC was involved, he’d have been nicked. Poor man. The media are determined to try and make him seem culpable when he was ruled out from almost day one.
     
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  19. moonriverfarm

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    Was her entire body found - with supplies?
     
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  20. IrisElizabeth

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    I’m sorry but this is really bizarre, why this constant need to control the narrative? I’ve not seen any new reports that actually accuse DC of being involved. Yes speculation in the comments sections but that’s not what this statement is addressing. This just seems to be drawing attention to speculation which most people would not have even seen. Whoever is advising him should be let go - just let poor Esther rest in peace now, this story doesn’t need to be kept active in the media.
     
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