Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020 #6

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  1. CoverMeCagney

    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    I think they’ve done the right thing to nip it in the bud before it gets regurgitated all over the net.

    I posted what was actually said in the article, upthread. Not dignifying it with a link.
     
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  2. otto

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    I agree. If she hiked in Spain to the Port de la Glere on Nov 23, with a plan to go to Refuge de la Venasque, this could be a mistake she made.

    Red Arrow = approximate skull location
    Red Circle = approximate body location
    Yellow Dashed Line = actual path that skirts second large lake
    White Dashed Line = path that skirts first large lake near small lake

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    Possible route error

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  3. Mel79

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    She could have been looking for shelter or trying to get away from something.
    Interesting video. Sadly she doesn't get much of a chance to talk! When she does she looks to him constantly, maybe in case he'll be annoyed with her interjecting.
    You could interpret this latest puzzler as both distances measured from the Pic - body 400m, skull +200m
     
  4. IrisElizabeth

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    I don't know, I just feel it's drawing attention to the fact that some people think DC did it - rather than nipping it in the bud, it is giving that idea a far wider reach. It almost gives the impression that he doth protest too much - not saying I think that personally, but that's the message I can see being taken from that press release by those who are already convinced he had something to do with it.
     
  5. otto

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    Yes. There's a question as to whether her yellow fly/tie-tent has been found, but otherwise it looks like she and her equipment have been found.
     
  6. CoverMeCagney

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    I'm not a huge fan of LBT but why should they allow lies to snowball? Surely, after all the mud slung at Dan, they're allowed to defend him.

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    They had only been separated a month, and there’s also the campervan, shared equipment,
    With both DNA’s. Bottom line is, they wouldn’t be able to separate detritus from 2 members of a couple in a way that would be helpful to canines.
     
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    I've seen and been bit saddened by quite a lot of criticism of LBT up thread here in this respect, but I really think it was the sensible thing for the family to do to engage them to handle communications. Personally I don't see it as being about controlling the narrative so much as trying to keep the wolves at bay. Whipped up by the gutter press no doubt, I have seen an awful lot of truly shocking and disgusting comments posted on the internet regarding this case ("the boyfriend did it" etc etc). That won't stop but I think using an agency this way probably helps and supports the family. Dealing with her loss is bad enough, but to have all this on top to deal with as well!
     
  9. pineapple23

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    That's how I felt about it as well. It's always a risk when issuing 'denials'. Not that I am criticising LBT or the use of it. It's a tricky one but it might have been better to let this go.
     
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    Snipped for focus
    It looks as though ED was never in France, which would account for lack of evidence.
    The skull fragment was found in France, but that's just where it ended up right before the trail runner spotted it. It wasn’t there before. Either an animal took it there, it rolled downslope, or moved with waterflow from snowmelt. Or all of those.
    There’s no reason to fault SAR. They have standard protocols, and they were looking for someone who was taking a lot of risks. Besides, by the time they were contacted, they were likely in recovery, not rescue mode.
     
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    I think it's one possibility. Someone posted a comment that Esther made a few days prior to her disappearance. I don't have the link, but the gist of it was that she made some mistakes with the trail navigation, got a bit lost on animal trails and, in general, was a bit lost for a short time.

    Mixing up the lakes, or deciding that the second lake she encountered meant she should circle around the lake and head to the ridge, could be a fatal mistake. I'm curious whether Dan was generally the navigator with mountain hikes.

    Yellow Line = correct route
    White Line = wrong route, but once taken, perhaps followed by a decision to hike the ridge

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  12. Grouse

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    But how could not saying anything nip it in the bud?
     
  13. Hatty

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    Sorry, but I don’t agree.
     
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    I think with the amount of naff reporting conjecture is somewhat fruitless!
     
  15. pineapple23

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    It's a classic dilemma is it not? Sometimes when you (justifiably) respond to something, it has the opposite effect and fans the flames instead. That said, those of a conspiracy bent probably haven't got LBT high up on their list of sources anyway.
     
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  16. Grouse

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    Haters gonna hate.
     
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    Awaiting factual analyses. That said, I am reminded of a couple in the US Peace Corps in the mid to late 1960s , who were 1 day away from permanent return to the US ("home" in the Midwest). The woman was ambivalent/conflicted about a permanent return after almost 6 years working in an idyllic part of the world (teaching life skills etc to a smaller village). She however did not disclose her ambivalence to her partner. On the morning of the return flight she disappeared. Eventually she was found wandering alone in a remote area of the near countryside. Allegedly, the Peace Corps officially stated she had a nervous breakdown. Unofficially, it is believed she could not face returning to an ordinary American Midwestern lifestyle after 6 years of bliss doing her own thing unconventionally. She could not handle what she thought/assumed would be demands on her upon return. How would she support herself, what would she do in life going forward, etc etc.There are layers and layers of emotional pressure she certainly felt that effected her judgment ultimately. All sorts of possible scenarios. In this case, it also was not good ending. Loss of control is part of the equation according
    to experts. She would lose control over her life's direction, in her mind ,upon return to the US.
    Have no idea if the foregoing is relevant.
     
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    IME of investigating umpteen suicides, people rarely behave how one might expect - both victims and those left behind.
     
  19. Grouse

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    I do remember reading about that case, it was possibly up thread here, or somewhere else, and I can see why this case might remind you if that one.
     
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    It's an interesting theory but it just looks way too steep to me and there's no path. Looking at the route from the Spanish side I can't imagine that she would carry on hopping over those boulders and then zero path over very steep scree, dropping straight into the lake.
     

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