Found Deceased Spain - Esther Dingley, from UK, missing in the Pyrenees, November 2020

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  1. Ruthbullock

    Ruthbullock Well-Known Member

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    The statement released yesterday from LBT said he has been traced
     
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  2. PeggyHenry

    PeggyHenry Well-Known Member

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    I agree and do find it a coincidence that the article on the BBC being made available was so close to her disappearance. Too much of a coincidence really. I dont know the exact date when the BBC article appeared but could she have disappeared 'before' then and then the BBC article was triggered deliberately by an associate.

    If foul play is involved (and I believe it is) then I would imagine that she wasn't abducted from the mountain side at all. That she walked down with a familiar face - someone she already knew or had met - and the foul play happened later. Maybe an argument or something occurred. So far we have heard everyone else's reports (witnesses, family, friends etc) but if the perpetrator has spoken then he / she is hardly likely to give a true reflection - so I take little notice of what is being said. If Esther were here to give her account, it may be quite different. I only believe the CCTV, the Ballarin sighting and the Vigo sighting. How about if she had gone missing before that BBC article was triggered - but we are mean to think she didn't through misleading social media postings? Anyone could have used her phone to mislead, and if foul play is involved, then it is likely they did!
     
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    The article was released in the morning, she spoke to Vigo at around 3.00pm
     
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  4. ZaZara

    ZaZara AstraZaZara

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    I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but BBC | UK | England | Regions | Tyne & Wear | isn't that important in the rest of the world.

    Why would people on either side of the Pyrenees be following the news from Tyne & Wear? (Tyne and Where?) Or a blog in English by one Esther and one Dan?

    IMO this is one coincidence that is a coincidence.
     
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    Not important? How very dare you :D

    (and it’s wear like weir or we’re)

    Good point though, it would be of mild interest perhaps to people in the Durham area where they’re from and other mountain hikers. It’s not the most exciting of world travelling blogs - mountain after mountain after mountain. Quite “niche”. Still, I expect they started it to keep in touch with friends, family and like minded bloggers, rather than going for sponsorship and likes.
     
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    I agree ZaZara.

    The only way it would not be a coincidence if is it were some kind of publicity "stunt" and I don't believe that to be the case at all.

    JMO
     
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    Blondiexoxo Studying Forensic Psychology BSc hons

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    This quote from Dan makes me wonder even more if she has had an accident but not yet been found. It would take months to search every square inch of that place, she could have fallen in an awkward spot and be hidden. I know he’s trying to stress that they think it’s unlikely she has had an accident, but this statement has the opposite affect on me. 90mins - 2 hours to the nearest road is pretty far out imo.

    'There seems to be a perception that because it's the mountains, because it's nearly winter and because Esther was alone, that what she was doing was reckless and 'of course' she has had an accident.
    The situation on the ground is that the conditions were perfect, Esther had all the equipment to look after herself, and from the peak we last spoke on, she could be at a road in either France or Spain within 90 minutes – 2 hours. She was not lost in the Amazon rainforest. These are trails that families walk in summer.’

    ETA : The ground was rocky and unstable as we can see from the photos the hiker took of Esther. She said herself that the weather wasn’t ideal and made her think about turning back. All it would take is a trip over a rock sticking up in the ground to trip in the wrong place and be injured. I don’t think conditions were perfect atall. MOO
     
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    I get why everyone is pointing out no one French or Spainish would be interested in the article, unless it was something they followed. However I randomly read the article that morning as it was the top story in “Must See”on the BBC main news page on mobile devices (not hidden in a subsection), I doubt I am the only person to have read it, in fact I would go so far as to say many more people will have read the article that morning than you believe. I skim through the page daily and only tend to read the top story in each section.
     
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    Yes I guess it is just a coincidence then.. I think they were trying to sell the doggy story books and this would have helped publicise them and their adventures.

    Reading the article in the Times today I did note that Esther's mum has said that Esther is facing difficult decisions regarding the potential impact of Brexit and how it would affect their lifestyle of 'roaming'.
    It was obviously something that Esther had talked about and she was probably worried and knew they might have to perhaps settle somewhere. I'm not trying to infer that this has anything to do with her disappearance - just I hadn't even considered that aspect. It also shows that Esther is in contact with her family and does talk about current concerns.

    I also read yesterday, where I forget now, that on this recent 'trip', Esther kept extending her time away by a few days.
     
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    Speaking exclusively to the Mail this week, Jose Antonio Ballarin - who gave Ms Dingley a lift on October 21 - said Esther discussed her route with him, and it was different from the one she was believed to have been planning.

    Under Spain's lockdown rules, the retired businessman shouldn't have offered a lift to a stranger at all. But something about the sight of the 37-year-old woman carrying a large khaki backpack made him pull over, he said.

    Esther, who often took lifts on hiking trips, jumped in and travelled with the 71-year-old and his grandson for five miles, chatting about her plans until they reached the footpath leading to the Pico Salvaguardia, or 'safeguard peak'.

    Esther Dingley: Police believe missing British hiker went missing voluntarily | Daily Mail Online
     
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    I'd also seen it on the front page of the app that morning, I'm in Lancashire and don't follow bloggers or outdoor activities but it was there! So I also suspect it was seen by far more than just local folk.

    I also feel like the timing with the article is too much of a coincidence. Something just isn't sitting right with this case and I'd be shocked if an accident was the cause of her disappearance! MOO
     
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    Wyle_E_Coyote Northern Virginia

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    There have been any number of cases on here where similar things were said: experienced hiker, extensive searches, clear path, etc. Paul Miller in Joshua Tree is a recent example.

    I would disagree with many of the above statements.
    -Darkness was falling, not good hiking conditions. Especially if one is hiking solo.
    -Even experienced hikers can make a mistake, stumble, miss a path, etc.
    -She communicated frequently, yet he didn't hear from her for two days and said that was not uncommon.
    -The hour window presumes everything happened as planned.

    If she missed the path in the twilight or couldn't find it again after going off trail for water or bathroom, she could be outside of the area they searched.

    If she stumbled and was injured she may not have been able to pitch the tent. It's possible that she is in a sheltered spot and not readily visible.

    Her phone could have ran out of battery or been damaged in any number of ways.

    I'm going for still on the mountain, and hopefully will be found in the spring.
     
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    dbm
     
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    Oh dear! I didn’t mean to post and can’t see how to undo/delete this ... so am posting something ... what does dbm mean?

    I suppose I might as well take the opportunity to say how dreadful this must be for everyone that knows and loves Esther. To not know what happened must be awful.
     
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    DBM- deleted by me
    Very useful if you post in error and dont want to explain why, or if you accidentally post twice as sometimes happens on the site.
     
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    dbm
     
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    I think Dan had a defensive tone in that interview.

    It’s understandable.

    His loved one is missing and he will tolerate no negativity about any of her choices. According to him, it was great weather, easy trail, Esther was extremely experienced. End of story for Dan.

    When Morgan Harrington disappeared (later found murdered)...her parents started a charity called “Help Save the Next Girl.” Sadly, to do so, people trying to accomplish JUST THAT...will point out things that might seem like criticism....for example, when trekking, wear bright clothes. For the family, those types of comments may be taken as a slight to their missing loved one. It’s a thin line.

    There certainly seem, from the great photos posted here, to be myriad opportunities for a tragic accident....compounded by the late hour, the time of year, and the scarcity of others on the trail due to the pandemic. These are discussed as possible explanations, not criticisms. But, the tone of Dan’s interview seemed to suggest that, in his current stage of grief, he was not prepared to accept that it was anything other than an easy hike on an easy trail on a perfect day.

    He and her Mother are truly in agony.
     
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    The oddest statement to me was that they were in touch all the time and that her cell service would only have been unavailable that one night....so they should have been expecting to hear from her sometime on the first day missing. Yet two more days went by before they alerted authorities.
     
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    I seen the original BBC article on Apple news, and even forwarded it on to a couple of people as it was an interesting one.

    I had the same thoughts about the two of them being separated like that.

    Before that I’d never heard of them before, and only heard about them again when I seen a news article about Esther being missing and then realised I read about her in that original BBC article.

    While I personally believe that it is only a very random coincidence, it still sits a little oddly with me. If I was a betting man my money would still be on her being on the mountain somewhere, and it being an accident when she was alone vs anything more sinister.

    Edited to put the right quote in it
     
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    I deleted my original comment because I thought it might sound insensitive/accusatory, I'm not neurotypical and struggle to get the right 'empathetic tone' when posting on forums like this so I'm more cautious about posting here now.

    But yes, your post is exactly my own situation..feeling like something wasn't right with their relationship when I first saw the article show up on my BBC news app, then reading about a woman who went missing and realising it was the same couple I had read about in the original article.
    I just thought it was my autism making me not fully understand the social aspects of the situation. Reading what the boyfriend/family said about online speculation I thought it best to delete but was just explaining my own, probably misplaced, judgy gut feeling, when I read that original article even before she went missing.

    That original article would have been read by thousands, if not millions, of people as it showed up as one of their top stories on their news app/widget.

    In what is an already awful situation that she's missing I can imagine it would be much worse for her loved ones if it turns out she came to harm from another person, like someone she hitched a ride with, or from suicide.
     
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