Starting from scratch

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  1. believe09

    believe09 Active Member

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    I almost want to start all over again with Mr. Kyle's case. For example, he has had a lot of media attention, a lot of law enforcement attention and a lot of internet attention but it has not yielded any kind of substantial result. I want to start a thread of what we know to be true and what has the material to back it up. Perhaps once we revisit some of this, we can see where the holes are that might be preventing a conclusive result for this man....make any sense?
     
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    Mr. Kyle has well documented scars. We do not know what all of the scars are from however, so let's relist them here without the speculation as to what caused them unless it has been confirmed.

    • Two parallel surgical scars on left elbow (from reparative surgery.) XRAYS documented a 5 inch pin.
    • Surgical scar on front of neck.
    • Small round scar on left side of face near chin.
     
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    Mr. Kyle is 5'11", was 240 when found (documented via email with Nurse Betty) and is currently 225.

    Mr. Kyle has grey hair, blue-green eyes. Mr. Kyle had corrective surgery to remove cataracts 8 months after his discovery. (time frame was related by Mr. Kyle.) There is anecdotal information indicating that cataract surgery may change the color of the iris, but I could not find any studies to verify this. In otherwords, I am not 100% that his eye color now is the same distinctive color it was prior to his surgery.
     
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    Mr. Kyle is missing teeth:
    • Three teeth missing from upper front and one tooth missing from upper right side of mouth. (I do not know which teeth specifically.)
    • Dental XRAYS are in the NCIC database.
    Mr. Kyle's fingerprints are in AFIS. His prints have been digitally and manually compared to Military Records in the event that he was active in any of the services.
     
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    Mr. Kyle's Primary DNA is in CODIS. I have been told by NB that his MtDNA is located in a private database that they are choosing not to disclose. His Paternal DNA has been processed by the Family Tree DNA database in Houston, TX.
     
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    believe09: This is a great idea.

    Found by a Burger King dumpster 6am to 6:30am, Richmond Hills, GA.
    on 8/31/2004.
    3 blows to right side of head.
    fire ant bites.
    barely conscious.
    naked.
    back hurt.
    cataracts in eyes.
    sunburned.
     
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    Indianapolis Memories:
    Memories of Indiana state fair and grilled cheese sandwiches for a quarter.
    (verified by those who remember the grilled cheese vendor)
    Soldiers and Sailors monument.
    Woolworth's on the Circle.
    White River.
    Indiana Theater.
     
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    Denver memories:
    Univ. of CO library.
    Reading Restaurant and Institutions magazine in library.
    Round the Corner restaurant.
    Construction of mass transit there.
    ....1970's to early 1980's time period....
     
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    Hey Dream-thanks!!!

    BK has not reviewed his medical records or EMT reports that I have been told-initially the reports were cost prohibitive to obtain and then he told me they were in possession of the Dr Phil show. I do not have independent verification of any of the above, other than he had cataract surgery and he was legally blind when he was discovered. I don't believe that he knows the exact state he was in when found either unless something has changed-he will likely sign in and let us know.

    So, let make note of the sources of the above so that we can keep straight who is saying what, lol, so we know what blanks to fill in.
     
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    I thought BK answered this on questions for Benjaman thread.
    I will check.
     
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    07-26-2009, 11:30 AM Replies: 195
    [​IMG] [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76866"]Questions Specifically for Benjaman[/ame]
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    Posted By [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=46206"]Benjaman[/COLO"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3988842#post3988842"]Dr. Phil gave us all the Medical records- there...[/ame]

    Dr. Phil gave us all the Medical records- there was nothing that I had already been told



    Found it.
    So, Benjaman K does have his medical records.
    yay
     
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    While starting from scratch, can we revisit those that were ruled out, particularly because of eye color? Also, what has been the final concensus on military fingerprints? I ask, because I thought it had been determined that there may be evidence that not everyone was fingerprinted in the military. There is someone that was ruled out because of fingerprints that I feel we should investigate further.
     
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    Can anyone find a post from Mr. Kyle or Nurse Betty, or even a clip from the EMT's, that specifically states what his physical condition was when found? I am starting to wonder if some of the media has taken on a life of it's own...for example, in the latest article by the OC Register, it states his cataracts were forming over time. IIRC, it had always been Mr. Kyle's position that his cataracts were traumatic and directly related to his condition when found.

    Dream states that he had three depressions on the side of his skull-I do not recall having read that or having been told that although I am incredibly fallible given the volume of data on poor Mr. Kyle!!!

    I am trying to sift out fact from speculation if that makes any sense...and to Julessleuthers point, I think that the fingerprint data on Mr. Kyle is pretty solid. If there are military personnel who have been ruled out on the basis that they should have been fingerprinted, I think we should bring them back into the pool if there are other compelling charecteristics...JMO...
     
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    Snip-"An ambulance was called to the scene. "He was totally naked. He was unresponsive. When I looked at him, he had a lot of sores on him," recalls paramedic Sue Usry."-snip


    OK, so here is a partial statement from a first responder regarding the fact that he had sores, no clothing and was unresponsive. She does not say fire ant bites, sunburned, or indicates he had any injuries...so lets see what we can find that documents his injuries.
     
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    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    I'm sending you a few things I have PM'd myself.
    edit - your inbox is full..

    ER Docs notes by christine2448 - I'm not sure where I found this
    Here is the info on when he was first discovered:
    Upon admission, the ER doctor reported him as appearing as a well-developed and well-nourished middle-aged man (not a bum), although he had depressed neurological reflexes (which is not a positive finding) and rapid heartbeat. His liver function was normal, alcohol and drug screen was negative, his condition on admission was considered serious per the ER doctor's report. He was sent up to the Neuro. A CT scan of the head was normal except for several small lacunes (depressions) in the right cerebellar
    hemisphere. Perhaps a closed-head injury? The attending doctor states in his report that Mr. Kyle's labs are "surprisingly within normal limits" - probably because this is not the case for homeless people by the time they reach middle age - they would usually have bad liver damage by then and very poor nutrition. Mr. Kyle's lab tests alone are indicative of one who had practiced a healthy lifestyle right up to the time of his attack. He presently has very good to excellent health and needs no prescription or over-the-counter drugs to maintain this favorable state of health.
     
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    YOU are a goddess, Rose! Cleared out my inbox fwiw, lol.

    I will check in with Christine to find her source for the ER Doc reports!

    The CT scan results as stated are interesting because did Mr. Kyle have outward sign of injury or trauma at the site where the depressions were? Or did he have a previous closed head injury, say from whatever caused his neck scar or elbow pin?
     
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    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Also look at the blog I just put online, there may be something there.

    I'll see what I have saved in my documents when I get back from radiation oncology. I also think I saved links to the posts where I got the info I saved.

    I tried to do it that way for later use.

    I wish this forum would consider allowing gmail to be used. I keep forgetting to pull my comcast account.

    just did a quick look - yes, looks like I save links to the pages with notes.
    I will see about using a link site so that I can share them with you.
     
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    OK-I did some reading on lacunes. I can source everything for you guys, but small lacunes are more likely to be representative (65% chance) of plaque deposits in the brain due to vascular disease that is NOT necessarily pronounced or profound. As opposed to a previous closed head injury. They can also be representative of a stroke if they were thrown from the carotid artery in the neck. The only way to properly dx them is if there is an MRI-the MRI can determine if they are lesions or cysts.

    The neurological reports I read also indicated that there are many neurologists that believe they are normal signs of an aging brain...for example, we know that certain forms of dementia are caused by plaque deposits in the brain. Whose to say that if the objects on the CT were actually lacunes they were not the start of what might someday be an age related "forgetfulness" when BK is in his 80's???

    So what if they missed the fact that he had a stroke?
     
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    I have this same eye color. I can tell you, some days my eyes are blue and some days my eyes are green. If you were to ask anyone in my family what color eyes I have, they would probably say green, because this is the color they have most of the time with a dark blue ring around the iris. If you were to ask me what color eyes I have, I would say, blue/green, depends on what I am wearing.
     
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    Another thought on the eyes, my daughter has the same blue/green eyes. Her eyes are mostly med to dark blue, all depends on what she wears. Also my eyes are "glassy" compared to hers.
     
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