State rests rebuttal case- thread #164

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Madeleine74

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I think this decision SHOULD be made by his family.

Believe it or not the family doesn't own the case, the State of AZ owns the case and it's up to the State and the state's legal representatives to make this decision on what to charge under the law. And the constitution states an impartial jury will determine if the state met their burden or not and then what sentence to impose. If you're a believer in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights then it's necessary to support those laws.
 

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She was a danger to the public the minute she bought that 9mm.

:seeya: She was a danger to the public even before she bought that 9 mm -- she was DANGER when she PRE-MEDITATED Travis' murder :furious:

AND ...

She will always be a danger to the public ...

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That's the "without parole" part. ;) In fact, death sentences in Texas have decreased since the legislature allowed LWOP. Jodi will find prison a far different place from the county jail too.

According to an article posted here yesterday, when AZ law changed (iirc) in 2002 from judges doing the DP deciding to jurors doing the deciding, the DP-given rate rose from 15% of the time to 78% of the time.
 

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TexMex...Love Community Coffee and I seriously do not leave home for overnight without it !
BTW I will be in Houston for a couple of days around June 4...
 

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I think there's a lot of sentiment for revenge, not just justice. "Justice" is making sure a perp is never able to be free, never able to hurt an innocent victim again, and is properly and legally contained and kept out of society forever. And if a jury decides death is the right penalty in a case then that too is justice.

What I'm reading is something else entirely and that's REVENGE. "Make her suffffferrrr," "Don't let her have anything except water and bread and only once a dayyyy," "lock her in solitary confinement and never let her out of that inky black room."

If revenge is the system one wants then Pakistan, Afghanistan and similar countries will welcome you with open arms. Of course you may lose an arm there. Or fingers or toes. Or be accused of a crime you didn't actually commit (for any reason) and then be stoned. Or tortured. And you'll have no rights.

There's nothing wrong with wanting her to suffer. That's what punishment is. It is just for her to suffer and die, regardless of whether you call it revenge or not.
 

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BBM Just that fact that she used the word "planned" really jumps out at me. She did plan to hurt him and the rest of it is all lies. She did stab him over and over and she enjoyed it. She only shot him to be sure he was dead and nothing about what she did was humane at all. I got angry just reading that. She disgusts me. Justice for Travis!

Yes and her latest plan is to kick him around some more in this trial.
IMO she knows she will be in prison the rest of her life. That's why this part of the trial has been Jodi's Scorched Earth Policy.

In her mind: It's Travis that made me so upset. I needed to move on. My obsession and constant thoughts of him wouldn't allow me to move on. The only way I can possibly move on with my life, find another Morman man in PPL etc is if he is gone or he will ruin my reputation...Travis had to die so Jodi could survive...

So....it's his fault. I had to kill him. I know I will go to jail forever. That's his fault too so Travis and his reputation will pay for this fact.

Where I think Jodi could lose it in the courtroom is during the guilt phase where no Travis bashing will be allowed. Lets talk about Jodi and HER issues. Her Problems, her psychopathy
 

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I think there's a lot of sentiment for revenge, not just justice. "Justice" is making sure a perp is never able to be free, never able to hurt an innocent victim again, and is properly and legally contained and kept out of society forever. And if a jury decides death is the right penalty in a case then that too is justice.

What I'm reading is something else entirely and that's REVENGE. "Make her suffffferrrr," "Don't let her have anything except water and bread and only once a dayyyy," "lock her in solitary confinement and never let her out of that inky black room."

If revenge is the system one wants then Pakistan, Afghanistan and similar countries will welcome you with open arms. Of course you may lose an arm there. Or fingers or toes. Or be accused of a crime you didn't actually commit (for any reason) and then be stoned. Or tortured. And you'll have no rights.

I disagree. I don't see how thinking she deserves the Death penalthy for brutally murdering a man is the same as wanting "revenge". It seems a very subjective term anyways. In Holland, 30 years for murdering a man would be considered justice, in the US it could be LWOP. Me wanting Jodi to pay for her crime and suffer the same as the victim did is "Justice" to me. Criminal law is a way to PUNISH the guilty. Sure it's great that the person will never be able to hurt another soul but one of the main goals of the criminal justice system is to punish. One of the goals of punishment is retribution. To make someone pay for what they've done.

MOO
 

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Yep, ITA.

I think this decision SHOULD be made by his family. This is why there was no plea for Murder 2. Not even on the table. Defense asked for a plea, prosecutors office said No.

If JA was such a "Professional Photographer" why didn't she just take the memory card out of the camera? Makes NO sense.
 

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Believe it or not the family doesn't own the case, the State of AZ owns the case and it's up to the State and the state's legal representatives to make this decision on what to charge under the law. And the constitution states an impartial jury will determine if the state met their burden or not and then what sentence to impose. If you're a believer in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights then it's necessary to support those laws.

Ok...
 

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I get that she'll live on for decades at least, if given the DP. In fact, I hope that she WOULD live on for decades first, before the needle. I just want those decades to be on death row, not in the general population where JA would absolutely find a way to have a life and manipulate most of the thugs around her.

IMO, true justice would be served by having every shred of her life taken away immediately- no TV, books, magazines- no ANYTHING of the outside word except for a few monitored phone calls a month, maybe, and having her watch her body age year after year, knowing she'll never have children, never have a husband, never even have sex again, that she'll never be an artist or a photographer or any of the other fantasies she spun for herself. IE, that she's forced to live decades of a life denied of all that she denied Travis Alexander when she murdered him in cold blood.


Then give her the needle.

Yup. Let her simmer for years just thinking about it.
 

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I see another piece of her 'art' is on Ebay. I thought they weren't selling her stuff, anymore... Hmmm..

Is it the one called"Siesta?" That one was originally "sold" by her brother Carl a couple of weeks ago, supposedly to a buyer who mostly has purchased 'Hello Kitty phone cases and Ugg boots.' Me thinks it might've been someome inside, priming the well, so to speak. Now that person (Hello Kitty Ugg boots) is listing it for a few bucks more than they "paid" for it. ($1575.00 if I remember correctly) good luck with THAT.
 

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There's nothing wrong with wanting her to suffer. That's what punishment is. It is just for her to suffer and die, regardless of whether you call it revenge or not.

Being incarcerated for the rest of one's life is suffering for the vast majority of humans. I don't know anyone who thinks prison is nice and comfy. I don't know anyone who wouldn't prefer to be out of prison if they could. That is considered one of the most severe penalties any human can face, outside of being executed. For some it's worse and they'd rather be killed than be 'warehoused' for decades.
 
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Sorry. Here's the exact quote from JA, on tape 15.


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JA: Okay. I’m just… If I had planned to hurt him in any way, I, you know, I am not the brightest person, but I… I don’t think I could stab him. I think I would have to shoot him continuously until he was dead, if that were my intention. Again, and I would bring up the gloves again, but I would have to wear gloves. I mean I am not too worried about prints, because they are all over anyway, but I would never stab him.

If, if, if I had it anywhere in me to kill him, the least I could have done was to make it as humane as possible, or quick, or something, you know, if any killing is humane, so to speak. I don’t mean it that way…I would just...like, he was still alive...


Thank you Hope, I do believe you have just answered the question of why didn't she just get inside the front door and blow him away with gunshots. She believed that NO ONE would think little Jodi could or would have killed an adult man, who clearly outweighed her, in this fashion, with a knife. I recall Tanisha saying that everyone believed she had something to do with it from jump, in other words, even if she personally couldn't have pulled it off, they believed she had someone do it for her. She thought this through alright.

Also, the wonderful thing is that she need not have planned it weeks or even days in advance, the premeditation can be formed in the twinkling of an eye. For example
the time it took her to "decide" and that was her word, to go in the closet, rather than run out the door and out of the house

the time it took her to reflect, "I remembered that Travis had a gun...." and decided to grab it off the shelf, the purposeful act of climbing up on the shelf to get the gun

the fact that according to what she told Samuels and ALV the knife was on the bedside table, means it took time to go get the knife and return to attack Travis with it, rather, again than running out of the bedroom door.

All of those times THAT SHE testified to, even the briefest moment of pulling the trigger, is enough time, to reflect.
I never understood this until I was on a murder trial.

Someone was asking what if you were a juror and you get in there and there is a lone holdout with a lot , ALOT of questions. I had that in my situation. Although I was the youngest of our group, for some reason they elected me to be foreperson. There was ONE man, who was really stuck in the mud and it seemed he was just unmovable. I know I was not supposed to consider my own life and be biased because of it, but I come from a family of law enforcement and military members. I was not going to just throw my hands up and send a note out to the judge that we were deadlocked. I did not even consider that when someone proposed it.
I said, look, there are people living and dying right now for our freedom, for us to have this system of justice, for us to have the right as Americans to do this, so if they can be out there RISKING THEIR LIVES, EVERY DAY, by God we are going to roll up our sleeves and stay. We can take a break, but we are not giving up. I would be so ashamed of us if we did. It did not dawn on me until well after the trial that some folks may have thought I had a lot of nerve, taking that tone and not respecting that he was my elder. It just kind of spontaneously came out of me, with righteous indignation.

In any case, we went to lunch, and when we returned the gentleman adjusted his seat, and his note pad and asked, "Can we just go over it one more time?" As I was walking past him to go back up to the dry erase board he gave me a little smile, like ok kiddo...I'm with you now.

I have got faith that God will lay it on someone's heart and mind to lead someone over to the truth, even if they have to take several breaks, ask for testimony to be read back, ask the judge for clarification on things, etc. What I NEVER expected was for the Casey Anthony jury to not even try that. They never asked for ONE piece of evidence, they never asked the judge to help them with the definition of "reasonable" in what they later claimed to be ambiguous understanding they had of any reasonable doubt. I think there are some smart people on this jury and they will sort through it all until everyone feels comfortable, how ever long that takes. The cases are such apples and oranges. We do not have any wonder here over who did it, who helped, etc. We know she did it, she admitted it and the evidence is overwhelming. So I will not worry at all that we have another Casey Anthony jury on our hands.

I'm thrilled that the judge gives the instructions first, then JM, then defense, then....the last voice the jury will hear is Juan Martinez's. With the amount of evidence he has, the murder practically on video tape frame by frame, and those gruesome photos, and all of her planning and cover up...when Juan Martinez speaks to the jury, he may as well be Moses coming down from the mountain with the tablets.
 

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I cannot stand FCA, but for some reason JA being released to the free world, scares me a lot more than when FCA was released. FCA is still a , and should not be allowed to breathe the same air as the rest of us.

She probably wont kill again though unless she has another kid. Id be scared if I was anyone that testified againt JA and she walked.
 

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Yes and her latest plan is to kick him around some more in this trial.
IMO she knows she will be in prison the rest of her life. That's why this part of the trial has been Jodi's Scorched Earth Policy.

In her mind: It's Travis that made me so upset. I needed to move on. My obsession and constant thoughts of him wouldn't allow me to move on. The only way I can possibly move on with my life, find another Morman man in PPL etc is if he is gone or he will ruin my reputation...Travis had to die so Jodi could survive...

So....it's his fault. I had to kill him. I know I will go to jail forever. That's his fault too so Travis and his reputation will pay for this fact.

Where I think Jodi could lose it in the courtroom is during the guilt phase where no Travis bashing will be allowed. Lets talk about Jodi and HER issues. Her Problems, her psychopathy

ITA

If she had taken responsibility for what she had done, if she had done anything to show remorse, if she had not made him out to be a monster during the trial ...

I might could feel differently. It wasn't just that she premeditated his murder, it includes everything that she's done AFTERWARDS.

MOO
 

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I am thinking, when all is said and done, Jodi's mom will definitely write a book, as well as Slimey Gus.


BBM: JMO but I hope NOT ...

She has sat in the first row of that court room throughout the trial laughing and behaving inappropriately ... "buttering up" to Donovan ... passing things back and forth to get to JA through her mit specialist ... wearing those DV ribbons ... and now she is bringing in her mother -- JA's grandmother -- playing the "sympathy card" ...

She also has a "new friend" -- Dr. Phil McGraw who will no doubt will be paying her $$$$$ for an interview after the verdict ... [remember the Anthony's] ...

And "you can mark my words on that" ... :floorlaugh:

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