Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

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Is Steven Avery responsible for the murder of Teresa Halbach?

  1. He did it

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  2. Some other guy did it

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  3. Looks guilty at this point

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  4. Not guilty based on evidence I've seen thus far

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  5. Undecided, but believe new trial is in order

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  6. Undecided all around; more information required

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    Of course SA is going to say he's innocent after he spent 18 years in jail on a wrongful conviction. And there are discrepancies in his stories.
     
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    It's all speculation that they "got away" with anything this time.
     
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    Has anyone on the Avery innocence side ever put a list together of all of the folks that would have been involved if there was a conspiracy to frame Avery ?
     
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    off top of my head
    Kranz
    Fassbender
    Colburne
    Lenk
    Weigrt
    Petersen
     
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    From KZ's motion:
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    Therefore the Willis court reversed the circuit court and remanded the case for an evidentiary hearing.
    The same result is required here.
    Mr. Avery has identified each witness who would testify, and the subject matter of the witness's testimony covering the who, what, when, how, and why all of the evidence used to convict Mr. Avery. A chart that describes all of the evidence presented by Mr. Avery which more than meets the Allen criteria is attached and incorporated herein as Exhibit C.
    Each allegation cited in the chart establishes the prejudice necessary to undermine confidence in Mr. Avery's verdict.
    Avery Filed Motion 10.23.17 Part 1_motion
     
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    Certainly there must be more than that ...

    Pam Sturm
    Ryan Hillegas
    Bobby Dassey
    Scott Tadych
    Brad Schimel
    Tom Fallon
    Dave Remiker
    Dan Kucharski
    Sherry Culhane
     
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    No those are the one necessary the others are pawns used to pull it off.
     
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    But they all must know which makes it really surprising no one has leaked anything.
     
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    Thank you! been working a ton so just getting to this. I would say that it seems strange how Pam was able to locate the vehicle so quickly. I would surmise she was in part directed to a starting point by chance or purposely. I would hedge my bet towards purposely to speed up the process for the LE moving forward. It is also odd that when she was on the phone with the investigator she was asked "does it look like a new vehicle?" Her response was something like "It looks like a 1999-2000 model" or something like that. Did she have experience with the body styles of the Rav4? It seems odd given the Rav4 was the same body style from 1994-2000 (1st generation). It strikes me as an odd response, almost as if she was coached in what to say.
     
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    Hi Roi, Thanks for your reply. Agree with what you say and it is odd.
     
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    I am going by what KZ has stated in her motions to the court etc, and from what i understand she is not implicating any of those people you mention.
    I think her main focus has been RH, BoD, & ST.
    As for the rest who knows what part they could of played in it all?
     
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    Well, she had to be sure, "she didn't want to put the....you know" in the wrong vehicle.
     
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    Right, I think KZ says it was the "real killer" and possible 1 or 2 LE officers that could have done it. Some of what happened was just incompetence... like the investigation of the burn pit, the lab work, the lack of investigating those close to TH. I believe she has implicated Colborn for the RAV4/key, maybe even the license plate. She has implicated Wiegert in swapping swabs. It's possible that other LE might have been aware or suspicious of the evidence, but I don't expect any of them to turn on the others, but that's JMO. I have read that KZ was been told by someone that Steven is innocent (can't recall if it was in an article, or if it was in her twitter questions/answers), if that someone is LE and was involved in the case, it would definitely give KZ more reason to keep going.
     
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    Last time basically same players didn't for over 18 years. Look at the crap with Burge in Chicago, that involved a lot of law Enforcement and they are still protecting each other and the guy is dead.
     
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    Im new here and i haven't read or seen all of the documents or evidence im still trying to catch up, but i have a question.

    How do people who think SA is guilty explain that the firepit could be impossible to be the burnsite of a body claimend by the expert in MaM 2?
    Im super interested in this case because it seems so complex.
     
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    Missy, IMO KZ is strictly now doing this for the publicity.
    DeHaan said it would take 6-8 hours to burn TH's body to the degree it was found in the burn pit. If Avery started the fire @ 7pm, that takes us to between 1-3 am. Where is the proof there was no fire after 11pm ? If Avery is lying about what time he went to bed, he could have easily kept the fire going until 3am. He already said he was in bed by 9, but Blaine saw him by the fire @ 10pm and Kayla @ 11pm. Why would both of them lie ? And 10/31/05 was a Monday - kids had school the next day, BT had to go to work, and BobD most likely went to work around 10 or 11pm. Everyone was most likely in bed and not paying attention to a fire in SA's burnpit.

    I saw see no mention of an accelerant by DeHaan or the effect one might have had on the burn time.
     
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    There are a lot of liars and stretchers of the truth in this case, no doubt. But at the time it was happening I don’t necessarily think they were actively conspiring as a group.
    Rather, many were being manipulated and thought SA was guilty so they stepped over the line a bit to make his conviction stick. Corruption appears to be a culture there.
     
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    We don’t know that they haven’t.
    In fact, Zellner alludes to this in her recent Q&A.
     
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    True i also thought to see that somebody else saw him outside around 11pm but i have to search that. DeHaan said also that there should've been more evidence of a burning body after the fire. Like more ashes or a dark scorch. He is like a expert in these kind of crime scenes and say's that there was cremation in this pit. That has to say something big i think.

    I searched it up and Blaine also see's Steven at the bonfire around 11.30pm
     
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    So much for SA's story being consistent from the beginning - or maybe Blaine is lying as well ?
     
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