Steven Avery: Guilty of Teresa Halbach's Murder?

Discussion in 'Netflix Series: Making A Murderer' started by Tawny, Jan 14, 2016.

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Is Steven Avery responsible for the murder of Teresa Halbach?

  1. He did it

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  2. Some other guy did it

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  3. Looks guilty at this point

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  4. Not guilty based on evidence I've seen thus far

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  5. Undecided, but believe new trial is in order

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  6. Undecided all around; more information required

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  1. Sustained

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    Corruption may have been an issue with Vogel & Kocourek - there is no evidence of any corruption that I know of after Avery was released from state prison.
     
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    CoolJ Well-Known Member

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    This comment really irks me. Have you never met anyone who's passion is their work? Have you never met anyone who’s motive for their work is helping others?

    Do you think everyone is money and power hungry?

    I’m sorry, but you have no valid argument here. This comment is disengenous at best.
     
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    Im sorry i think it was wrong. This site say's Blaine saw Steven at 11.30pm but in the Blaine interview on 7th of november it say's he went to bed around 9.30 / 10 pm.

    Event Timeline
     
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    This isn’t SA’s story, this is his memory about what happened a week or so ago in an insignificant night in his life at that point. There is no proof whatsoever that there was even a fire in his burn pit that night, let alone that he was lying about it.

    You are really reaching here by assuming SA’s story keeps changing based on these statements.
     
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    I've met plenty of people whose passion is their work and they are not seeking publicity. They work quietly in the shadows and accept thanks from no one.

    KZ originally turned Avery's case down as she thought he was guilty. Then she watched MaM1 and lo and behold, look who dominates MaM2.

    You're entitled to your opinion as am I.
     
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    Laughable at best when reported by numerous members of the Dassey family and ST.

    Didn't SA say his mom brought him his mail on 10/31 ? Well, Brendan said he got SA's mail and brought it to him. Of course, Brendan must be lying because SA doesn't lie.
     
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    To be honest i think KZ hopped on the MaM2 train for the spotlight and now she knows indeed more because of MaM1 she has a bit more certainty that he may not have done it.
     
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    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to websleuths!

    Just for your information... here is the written report from Blaine's first interview and a later follow up:

    http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-c...bit-355-Blaine-Dassey-11-7-2005-Interview.pdf

    Reading this again, I took a snip of a part towards the end where Blaine says he remembers being with Bobby in the garage and sees Steve running into his trailer, as if to get something... IMO this would be when Steve reopened his gash and he went into his trailer. Interesting to re-read some of this stuff!

    Blaine was wrong about the Friday night thing though... we know it was the Thursday because they did check Menard's for video.
     

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    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, working backwards today lol

    www.stevenaverycase.org has the majority of the documents from the case. It has the trial transcripts, the photo's and exhibit's that were at the trials, police reports, interviews, appeal documents. It is full of information and will be overwhelming if you are just starting to research. The benefit to this site is that it just has the information, there is no commentary, no bias. Feel free to ask questions if you are looking for something :)

    This might be a good spot to start http://www.stevenaverycase.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CASO-Investigative-Report.pdf

    That is the Calumet County investigative report, it is long, again, sorry lol
     
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    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    off topic... is there an easier way to attach files to our posts? I have used "upload a file", which is beside the post reply ... but seems like there should be an easier way? lol
     
  11. proudfootz

    proudfootz Well-Known Member

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    I think there are things like criminal liability and their reputations and careers as being much more motivational.

    Plus the very idea of a civilian getting the better of their gang.

    MOO
     
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    Sadly, getting a conviction counts for more than anything.

    JMO
     
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    Is there proof she didn’t take it because she thought he was guilty?

    I’m sure she gets letters from lots of people who claim to be innocent and weeding through all of that and deciding which cases to dedicate her time to isn’t easy.
     
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    Hi & Welcome. BBM,I agree SA's firepit was not the original burn site. Why is so much of TH's skeletonised body missing from the fire pit?
    I can't see SA deliberately burning a body there and moving bones to other locations and just leaving some of the bones in the pit. That just is nonsensical IMO.
     
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    According to this interview KZ believed media reports that the physical evidence was reliable. She ended up watching the documentary and she quickly changed her mind.

     
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    KZ doesn't need fame or fortune, she already has those things from the previous 19 or so wrongful convictions she has had overturned with new DNA evidence etc.
     
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    IMO, Avery moved some of it and probably would have moved the rest if he could done it w/o detection. Same with crushing the car.
     
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    MaM2 has exponentially increased her visibility. The only way I heard of Zellner was b/c I followed the Ryan Ferguson case after seeing it on 48 Hours.
     
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    I doubt that very much.
    Why not just dig a hole in the ground and shovel all of it in and cover it over? Moving bones around all over the place as i said is nonsensical, and a time consuming way to hide evidence.
    I think most perpetrators of a murder would know to get rid of evidence quickly because time is not on their side from other cases i have followed.
     
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    Cadaver dogs. And investigators wold obviously seen evidence of any big hole near Avery's trailer.

    I'm 100% convinced his goal was to destroy every and anything related to TH or move it off the Avery Salvage Yard. He just couldn't do it with out someone seeing him.

    JMO ...
     

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