Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

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  1. JBean

    JBean Retired WS Administrator

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    Oh so you think they made a mistake?

    oh the heck with this report then.
     
  2. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Ok the report, the very one you provided the link for, plainly states that the syringe was not analyzed AT ALL. So if there is no error and the bag was inside the bottle and the liquid was in fact from the bag as stated, and NOT inside the syringe, then what we have here is a syringe that was never even analyzed per the report from this link:
    http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/11911-11987.pdf

    So how on earth did we arrive at traces of anything inside the syringe when now I am seeing it was not even analyzed according to this report.
    page 75 of 77.:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:
     
  3. ynotdivein

    ynotdivein Retired WS Staff

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    Argh, computer I am currently using does not allow me to view this. Will check again ASAP, but in the meantime, many thanks. I don't want to contribute to misunderstandings here.
     
  4. JBean

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    Got it! It was mismarked on the report just as magic cat surmised.
     
  5. JBean

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    hahaha I asked that earlier.

    carrie gave us some answers though. that is it for me, i am going to start all over on this tomorrow.
     
  6. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Either they made a mistake and the liquid was in the syringe instead of the bag, there was nada in the syringe and unless there is another report about the syringe? then it was not even analyzed at least according to this report...:banghead:
     
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    BBM. Excellent point and very feasible. However, whichever way this went down, I believe it was an agonizing death for Caylee. The fact that her mouth and nose were covered by duct tape says enough, no matter how the chloroform was administered. The other fact, which I now believe is indisputable as per the latest doc dump, this crime was very premeditated. We may never know the exact chain of events but I think the closer it gets to trial the more telling the evidence will be. IMO, needles and syringes are used for injections and it's not a huge leap to believe the chloroform, perhaps along with testosterone, was injected into Caylee. I do not think KC had help. LE has cleared everyone in her orbit. KC planned and executed this horrific crime, IMO.
     
  8. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Thank GOD carrie to the rescue!
     
  9. ThoughtElf

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    Page 54 (11527) (and onwards) not only shows the methodology used to extract the different substances, but also lists vendor & lot #'s of controls/test mixes used for the analysis.

    The actual spec results for the chloroform retention value (from the ion tests) on 238.1 is in the other pdf on page 11641 and onwards.
     
  10. carrie

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    Because on other pages it discusses the steps taken in the analysis of 240.1.1 (the contents of the syringe). Could they mean the actual syringe wasn't analyzed? IOW, the plastic and the needle part?

    we probably need to wait for Dogs and Bond, lol
     
  11. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Yep there it is on page 909 of 1765 pdf page handwritten 11522:

    pictures of the liquid from the syringe designated as Q240.1.1
     
  12. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    I think it is for the liquid from within the vial not the vial its self...Why can one never discover these things say at noon in the afternoon? Why is it always 1 or 2 in the morning when you are bleary eyed already? Must be Murphy's Law at its finest! lol
     
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    -----Original Message-----
    From: Vass, Arpad Alexander
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:31 AM
    To: Vincent, Michael (OCSO)
    Subject: RE: **Exempt**

    Mike, I try very hard not to second-guess people since I am well aware that I know very little of what is really going on in an investigation, but I think the early release of the chloroform data was a mistake. Since I am saying nothing to anyone outside my group, I am now getting criticized for other reasons and feel that it might be time to back away from this work. I will of course get the next report out to you and Yuri as promised as soon as I can. On a final note, some of the products we have seen include Pinene and Limonene. This could point to a (possibly) shallow marshy area with decaying vegetation. Is there such an area anywhere near where the car was found? Is it possible to get a topo map of the area? Would it be possible to speak to the individual leading the search from Necrosearch? Arpad

    Arpad A. Vass, Ph.D

    BBM
    I saw earlier posts that mentioned Citronella as the oil in the bag, citing these two substances. (sorry, looked but can't find the posts).. This says possible decaying vegetation. I do remember something about kissing a working mans arse..
     
  14. smart blonde

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    I'm a bit late for the party on this particular thread, so forgive me, but...

    I am still of the opinion that the chloroform was originally intended for use (by Casey) on her parents.
     
  15. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Welcome to the party...You could be right about that...she may have had a few more plans up her sleeve besides murdering a little baby. Maybe that was her warm-up and the parents would be the grand finale-who knows with this chick?
     
  16. smart blonde

    smart blonde Websleuths Member

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    Oh jeez...

    Flipping through some of the posts above, I can see I may need to get a degree in chemistry, just to get to the same point in the conversation as the rest of you, lol!

    (I am now respectfully backing out of the room, with plans to silently read on my own)!

    Carry on, my beloved Brainiacs!
     
  17. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Cuttings from the doll and stuffing from the doll.

    I eat my own words! Here it is right here in black and white by the lovely ExpectingUincorns...
     
  18. magic-cat

    magic-cat Mother to Many

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    Maybe not but there IS something in there that proves that Caylee was IN the trunk and she was placed there either before she died or moments afterward...Whose car was that again? Oh yeah-Casey Anthonys.

    The duct tape on her face will take care of proving the child abuse part, since it was placed pre-decomposition. AND we may not know HOW she died, but we DO know who killed her and what she did with her afterward...:banghead:
     
  19. DotsEyes

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    Not just the computer searches, add in the chloroform in her car trunk.

    I hear hooves, I think horses, not zebras.

    So much evil planning. Who was really the intended target? That is all I can think. What kind of person hates their child so much that they would plot this hard, in advance, to kill their own baby? It makes me want to puke. When I think of her getting it together enough in her scrambled life to get the supplies together and all the while kissing on Caylee and posing for photo ops with her, I get ill.

    Sad. All the way around, it is sad.

    Looks like she dumped the body on "gas can" day with George. He almost caught her. I think he caught on as she was speeding away. She drove straight down the street, took the long way around, so George wouldn't see her turn into the dead end at the school on Suburban and follow her. Made a very quick stop, got her boots and pants all yucky and changed into shorts and flip slops in the car, tossing the boots and slacks into the back and hauled herself over to Tony's ASAP. That is the outfit we see her in later, isn't it? A couple of days later she had to wipe up some residue and left it in a bag in the trunk, then out of gas, out of money - car to impound.

    The only reason the bag was still in the car is simple; she couldn't figure out a way to get gas into her car.

    I don't understand any woman who sleeps with a man but is too shy to ask for gas money. What am I missing? But seriously, all this murder planning and she couldn't get one of her lovers to put gas in her car? So was this her plan to run out of gas at Amscot and leave a car full of evidence in a parking lot on a busy street? From schemer to dreamer.
     
  20. MvD

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    Wouldnt a subcutaneous injection of chloroform be just as deadly in the long run as a IV injection? I dont think KC would have been able to give Caylee an IV injection... and it really doesnt make any sense to have a needle in the syringe.. if she was just using it as a "dropper"...
    Its funny.. I automatically keep immediately thinking of scenarios that dont include premediated murder.. I guess its just nearly impossible for me to wrap my mind around that concept.. especially of a child by her own parent... I had wondered if KC was using the syringe as a measuring device.. in an attempt to just put Caylee to sleep... but Im giving her too much credit ... I know.. Besides, again, Im back to the fact that on the long shot that was the case.... there would be NO need for the needle to be in the syringe..
     
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