Ted Bundy - Serial Killer - 1974-1978

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  1. evafiore

    evafiore New Member

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    Forgive me for being obtuse, but I've never really understood how Ted Bundy could believe, until 1969, that his mother was his sister. They'd left his grandparents when he was three years old, and Ted was then adopted by Louise's husband when Ted was five (1951). He took what would be (according the the story that his mother was his sister) his brother-in-law's last name. For him not to realize that his supposed sister was his mother until he was 23 years old seems far-fetched.

    I'm guessing that Ted told his biographers that he'd discovered the birth certificate himself as some form of ego preservation. He must have known much earlier than 1969, and experienced some bullying because of the status.
     


  2. thesiren

    thesiren New Member

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    I can't remember which Ted Bundy biography it's in (either Confessions of a Killer or Only Living Witness), but he did say he was bullied and told by cousins (I think?) that his "mother" was actually his grandmother.

    I can't Ted-fend here, but if you grow up with emotionally closed people (which I feel was the case), it may not have been something he felt he could broach with his "sister." It's all odd for sure, but so was Ted.

    RIP Louise.
     
  3. ScarlettScarpetta

    ScarlettScarpetta When the going gets tough, drink coffee

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    I think in some ways it must be so much harder to be the mother of a murderer than the murder victim.
    The murder victims mother will always have sympathy and support. The murderers mother will always have blame and accusations and they have to live with what their child did. The child they raised.

    What an awful place to be.
     
  4. wendybtn

    wendybtn Well-Known Member

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    I think he figured that she was his sister, but did not know it for a fact until he pulled his original birth certificate in 1969.
     
  5. chlban

    chlban Well-Known Member

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    I only found out in my 50's that the woman I thought was my 1/2 sister was actually my birth mother and the woman who I believed was my mother was actually my biological grandmother. I was told my BC was "lost" and I accepted that for most of my life. The woman who raised me was 40 when I was born, so it was not biologically impossible. She had given birth to her first daughter (who turned out was my mother) when she was 18 and her second when she was 19.

    My birth mother had moved out of state right after I was born. She was married 7 months after my birth to a man that was not my biological father and then gave birth to her "first" child 6 months later. The first child she claimed. They went on to have a total of 7 kids, so she actually gave birth 8 times counting me.

    Anyway, all that is to say that yes, it is startling to discover such a thing. Yes it disrupts your world somewhat. But a serial killer it does not make.

    However, I will say that, after finding out that I was adopted I did a lot of reading about it, and particularly with the stigma involved with out of wedlock births prior to the 80's when it started to become quite common. Back in the 30's through the 60's especially, it was quite shameful. There are also fairly credible theories about the abandonment children feel and how it affects them. There is even a fairly credible school of thought that even children that aren't told they are adopted, still feel that abandonment after bonding with their biological mothers in the womb.

    At any rate, an unusually high number of killers are adopted with Ted and David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) being probably the most famous. There are also an unusually high number with various mental issues particularly depression and anxiety disorders.

    I have to say, the abandonment was surprising, but even as a pretty well adjusted adult I felt it. She didn't want me, but she kept all her other kids? They all think she was a perfect mother, yet she turned her back completely on her first born? Yeah, it's a real feeling.

    I was lucky. The man I thought was my biological father, the man who raised me, gave me so much confidence and taught me so much. He was not my biological father, but he will always be my dad. I have managed to give him a pass, assuming he didn't want to take on the wrath of his wife, my mother, who was really my grandmother, geeze it's confusing.

    But I am still angry at both my biological mother and grandmother, both of whom died before I discovered the truth. Not for the decision they made about custody, but for not telling me.
     
  6. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    It's hard to imagine how shocking that would be chlban. Apparently, that sort of thing was a fairly common practice back before the 1970s. A former girlfriend of mine was once married to a man who was brought up being told that his grandmother and grandfather were his parents and his mother was his older sister. When he was 16, his aunt told him the truth otherwise he might never have known. His biological father was actually a racing driver who was later killed in the Indianapolis 500.
     
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  8. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    A Ted Bundy survivor is on Dr phil today. Very frightening, sick story about what he did to her before she escaped. She never came forward before for some reason. I believe her though. They probably polygraphed her already too.

    If her story is true it is a nightmare. He was literally torturing his victims, bringing them to the brink of death, over and over for his own enjoyment.
     
  9. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Although an extreme long shot, I wouldn't even rule out the three young woman who disappeared from the Indiana Dunes State Park in 1966. The description of the guy seen talking to the women was a close match to Bundy.
     
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  10. AStudyinViolet

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    100 victims is such a high number, if he was active between 1974 and 1978 he would have had to have killed at least 25 people per year -- which I have no trouble believing he was capable of doing. Bob Keppel believes it's 100 or more and I think his word is gold.

    As for his first victim being a man, I really doubt it. There is a high probability that he killed Ann-Marie Burr, when he was 14. I wouldn't say he never killed men, but I just don't think it would be frequent thing, men were not his sexual preference, if anything he'd kill men who got in the way.
     
  11. Goodship_Lollipeep

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    Dang. My mom is a quiet person but told me a hitchhiking story once. She and a high school friend were smoking pot walking down a Washington state highway and caught a ride with a guy who ended up looking exactly like Bundy when the girls saw his photo.

    The car was same and i think she said something about a guitar but i don't recall.

    So glad this guy got caught. If it was him, she now has 4 kids who wouldn't exist today, if she'd been alone etc.

    That lawyer, damn i feel sorry for him.
     


  12. 1961

    Ann Marie Burr (8)-August 31-Suspected

    1966

    Survived-Lisa E. Wick (20) June 23-Suspected
    Lonnie Trumbull (20) June 23-Suspected

    1969

    Susan Davis (19) May 30-Suspected
    Elizabeth Perry (19) May 30-Suspected

    1971

    Rita Curran-(24) July 19 Suspected
    Joyce LePage-(21) July 22 Suspected

    1973

    Rita Lorraine Jolly (17) June 29-Suspected
    Vicki Lynn Hollar (24) August 20-Suspected
    Unknown hitchhiker-May-Confessed to bob keppel

    (1974)

    Survived-Karen Sparks (18)-January 4
    Lynda Ann Healy (21)-February 1
    Donna Gail Manson (19)-March 12
    Susan Elaine Rancourt (18)-April 17
    Roberta Kathleen Parks (22)-May 6
    Brenda Joy Baker (14)-May 27-Suspected
    Brenda Carol Ball (22)-June 1
    Georgann Hawkins (18)-June 11
    Sandra Jean Weaver (19)-July 1-Suspected
    Janice Ann Ott (23)-July 14
    Denise Marie Naslund (19)-July 14
    Carol L. Valenzuela (20)-August 2-Suspected
    Martha Morrison (17)-September 1-Suspected
    Nancy Wilcox (16)-October 2
    Melissa Anne Smith (17)-October 18
    Laura Ann Aime (17)-October 31
    Survived-Carol DaRonch (18)-November 8
    Debra Jean Kent (17)-November 8

    (1975)

    Caryn Eileen Campbell (23)-January 12
    Julie Cunningham (26)-March 15
    Denise Lynn Oliverson (25)-April 6
    Melanie Suzanne "Suzy" Cooley (18)-April 15-Suspected
    Lynette Dawn Culver (12)-May 6
    Susan Curtis (15)-June 28
    Shelly Kay Robertson (24)-July 1-Suspected
    Nancy Perry Baird (23)-July 4-Suspected

    1976

    Debbie Smith (17)-February-Suspected

    1978

    Margaret Elizabeth Bowman (21)-January 15
    Lisa Levy (20)-January 15
    Survived-Karen Chandler (21)-January 15
    Survived-Kathy Kleiner (21)-January 15
    Survived-Cheryl Thomas (21)-January 15
    Survived-Kimberly Diane Leach (12)
     
  13. Kimberly Diane Leach (12) was killed not Survived
     
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  14. UncoolNegated

    UncoolNegated Well-Known Member

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    Was researching "Ted Bundy" appearances in newspaper archives and found this a little funny. Has to be considered self-defense against a future attack for the woman. From August 7th, 1965's East Liverpool Review.

    Gil Thorp comic strip Aug 7 1965 East Liverpool Review.JPG
     
  15. WyomingSkyAngel

    WyomingSkyAngel Rocky Mountain Fresh

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    Weird lol.....
     
  16. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    The evil smile of Ted Bundy: Unseen photos that were locked in a safe for decades show serial killer who murdered at least 30 women grinning after his capture


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...erial-killer-Ted-Bundy-old-Colorado-safe.html
     
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  17. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Didn't he get married in prison and has a child?
     
  18. flourish

    flourish Now With 30% More Emo

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    I have a coworker whose maiden name was Bundy. Apparently when she was little, there was a clerk at a video store who would always comment, "are you related to Ted Bundy?" so one day her dad told her how to answer. She said, "Uncle Ted is my favorite uncle!" He's not... they aren't even related, but the clerk stopped asking. Lol
     
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  19. zoegoobs1229

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    Bundy has since been ruled out as a suspect for Melanie Suzzane Cooley. FYI.
     
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  20. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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