Sorry because I don't think the post was for me. But I think Icedtea was suggesting that John may not have been so innocent with JBR (and he may have harmed Burke as well?). I don't think Icedtea was going after Patsy.
Just tell me to shut up if you want.
And why the garrote and strangulation? Assuming that they found JBR dead or almost dead from head trauma? Why not claim the little girl went up to go to the bathroom, and hit her head on the bathtub?
Even Susan Smith did NOT stage a "sexual crime."
As for: they came upon a horrific scene - the person may have confessed? Can I assume that we are talking about premeditated murder? Because I think whoever did the murder, did it to 1) stop JB from reporting PREVIOUS sexual abuse.; and 2) maybe to frame Patsy. He would want to get Patsy out of the way.
He may have also abused Burke, but Burke may not be taken seriously if he said he was abused. I'm pretty sure autistic children are not taken as seriously if they report abuse.
One or both of the parents needed to cover for another family member, and their answer for this was to create a " Our baby is kidnapped" scenario.
JBR was supposed to be spirited out of the house by the brokenhearted parents in the middle of the night into the nearby CO mountains.. but all the coverup and staging woke Burke up, or maybe he never did sleep that night either. We don't know but he was an immature child for his age.
Once Burke woke up, there was no way to remove JBR's body and be sure he wouldn't see something he'd innocently tell police.
John TRIED to cover this point with his pilot for the sudden trip to Charlevoix a day or so early. He was unable to make some sort of phone call make sense, IMO, but Patsy kept on piling wet, perhaps just washed, formerly bloody casual clothing into the huge garbage bags she was using to pack their clothing in.
Remember, they had not met Melinda's boyfriend, Dr. Stewart Long, prior to the upcoming meeting in Michigan at the extended Ramsey family resort cabin.
It was a big deal to both of them, Patsy and John. They wanted to put their best feet forward, but instead were likely planning on overloading John's plane with wet clothing in garbage bags ( where was the Louis Vuitton luggage?) and loads of gifts for another Christmas tree and celebration.
I think this is part of what Patsy meant when she said " We didn't mean for this to happen." It also, IMO, refers to the likely family member who might have killed JBR.
Does everyone know that Don Paugh had a condo in Boulder and stayed there most of the time, working for John at AG? He took a standby flight out of Boulder on the last night flight on December 24th. Just one of the many family comings and goings that shouldn't have been rushed and half- done. He had 2 daughters, a wife, and at least 1 grandchild in Roswell/ Atlanta and should have booked a flight long before Christmas. I don't know what the air traffic was in Boulder, but I know Atlanta is super crazy, being the major hub for the SE US.
Re the head wound. JBR had already had a super tight ligature and control device tied around her neck when the head injury occurred. If you've seen either the autopsy photos ( I saw most of them in Paris) or the drawings the American public saw of her neck and wrists that looked like photos ( until one saw the real photos) then it's clear that the head wound was a deliberate
coupe' de grace.
I believe JBR was having seizures and irregular loud respirations with bloody mucus coming from her mouth and nose from partial strangulation, maybe her color was looking really bad ( hard to imagine it wasn't awful) and the killer finally did hit her with a large mag lite flashlight from the kitchen and killed her. Again, once there was a ligature injury inflicted, the bathtub hit becomes implausible because bathtubs don't strangulate via manually tied ligature with a ton of knots.
Susan Stuart drove her boys right to a body of water she was very familiar with in S.C. Michael and Alex were strapped in their car seats and trapped.
It's my opinion that at the time, she was severely mentally ill, delusional, and also suicidal. I do not know why she didn't stay in the car with her boys, but I guess her post- crime behavior- the press conferences to " find my babies" and her lies about a car-jacking put enough doubt about an acute mental break for her to go to prison for life with the obvious amount of evidence. I've always thought this was a very good example of how one parent, the stronger and genetically more prone to physical violence due to hormonal differences, kept himself in check and didn't aid or abet Susan at all post- crime. I think he was totally in the dark, but he didn't take the two of them to Costa Rica forever when he suspected her. ( I'm sure he suspected her more than the police did because of her hysterics at home too).
The two saving graces in this crime were that neither the former lover or the husband were involved in plotting the murders of Michael and Alex Smith. Few people are psychopathic killers. Susan Smith's early life was part of my textbook studies when I got my Ph.D. in behavior Psychology. She had a very traumatic and abusive early life and at some point, she turned from a young girl into a budding killer.
The ABILITY to be a family killer with a psychotic break or a new onset of schizophrenia ( usually starts in the college years) is not rare, but the PROCLIVITY to act on urges to harm and then eventually need to kill the victim for one's self- preservation is not common in the Ramsey's socioeconomic and religious groups.
They were extremely low risk for a stranger murder.
IMO, it would have taken someone very familiar with the entire house to even find JBR, then the pineapple in the kitchen, with the dim light on, then to take her to the basement and find cord, the paint tote, her change of underwear post mortem ( wrong size, never opened package but still, underwear from HER dresser in HER room next to Burke's room).
To have inflicted the sharp vaginal wound with part of the artist's paintbrush at some time prior to death that night. To have partially washed her body to the point that her hair was damp and her vaginal vault contained watery bloody fluid, which is almost unbelievable in a child that young. ( except for the prior vaginal abuse and the also almost unbelievable hymenal measurement).
The Autopsy Report gives a clear picture of prior manual vaginal abuse digitally or with the same inanimate object inserted in the same way numerous times to the point that I still can't read it without tears in my eyes for the sadness of it all.
