Thailand - FOUND ALIVE - Officials Believe 12 Boys And Coach Trapped In Cave , 23 June 2018

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  1. AlwaysShocked

    AlwaysShocked Well-Known Member

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    A West Virginia caving experience: Caves are the homes to bats. So if you go into a cave during the daytime and shine your light up at the ceiling of the entrance chamber you will see thousands of bats clinging to the ceiling. They are sleeping.

    Nowadays many of the bat caves in West Virginia are closed to cavers in order to protect the bats. But in the "old days", 25-30 years ago, they were open.

    On one trip my group of five got a bit delayed inside the cave (one guy had brought a special 3-D camera and tripod along with him and got some really spectacular photographs) so we ended up coming out just at twilight. And as we navigated a long, dry walking passage towards the entrance, the bats awoke.

    Now this was a large, wide, high dry passage. We should have been able to walk out three abreast. Within about two minutes there were thousands of bats flying around inside the passage - along with us! Thankfully we all had helmets and proper long sleeved clothing on, so we hit the deck and crawled out of that cave on all fours with bats screeching and flying out of the cave above us.

    Never again did we ever attempt a cave exit at that time of day!
     
  2. Gardenista

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    Wow, that's an encouraging update, especially the part about the discovery of another channel.
     
  3. Elainera

    Elainera Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good. Says they are also psychologically in good shape.

    I think it's safer to do the dive than to wait. Monsoon is unpredictable.

    They are resilient, they'll be alright imo.
     
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    Yes! A less risky channel. I hope they have/are trying/checking it out before they decide to do it.
     
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    In a mine, every tunnel and every "room" is precisely mapped. They knew exactly where to drill and at exactly what angle.

    There are only rudimentary maps of this cave system. They would be guessing where to drill and more likely than not they would miss them. They are in a very small cavity.

    I've also read that just bringing in the right equipment would be a challenge. They may have to build roads through the jungle to get the equipment in.

    There are only three options: dive, drill, or wait out the monsoons . All options are bad. The most realistic chance of getting them out alive is probably diving, and that is incredibly risky for both the boys and divers.
     
  6. KaaBoom

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    Four options. I'm betting on #4.

    How can the boys be rescued from the Thai cave?
     
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    Very good news!
     
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  8. AlwaysShocked

    AlwaysShocked Well-Known Member

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    The flooded areas that have been being drained are located within the cave, not at the entrance chamber.
    Rescuers to pump water from Thai cave in search for missing soccer team

    The purpose of the draining was to create "headroom" for the divers, so they had enough space to come up above the water within the flooded chambers.

    It sounds like the flooded chambers may be less of a potential problem than the narrow, twisting flooded passages the divers have been navigating to get to where the boys are located.

    If a straighter, more direct channel has been found that would surely be helpful.

    I've noticed that two different "diagrams" of the interior of the cave show the spot where the boys are located differently.
    For sure the cave divers would have instruments to measure elevation with them. But I am a bit skeptical of the drawn diagrams that we've seen.

    I know that cave maps of well-mapped caves here in the U.S. were not always 100% accurate. But that could have improved over the years. Unfortunately, it does not sound like this is a well mapped cave.
     
  9. katydid23

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    I have read that it could start raining again, anytime now. So they need to get started or things could get much worse. At least they have a lot of help and resources and supplies. They may need a series of small miracles to make this happen successfully...
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    On Twitter there are talks of the doctors drugging the kids to the point where they wouldn’t panic then the SEALS manhandling the kids to get them out. This way they won’t need to wait for scuba lessons. Sounds horrid, but look at their other options. Rain is in the forecast tonight. It is currently 6:12 AM there.
     
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    More at link: Thailand cave rescue: The health toll of waiting for freedom

    I pray that all will be able to stay strong both physically and psychologically until all are rescued.
     
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    It does sound horrid but it may be the only viable option. Teaching them to dive would be great, but if it starts raining heavily, it could be devastating and deadly. They may need to do something immediate and drastic.
     
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    I agree. There are risks to all options. This one probably has the least of them. I’m going to be holding my breath when the rescue begins. Please God keep those babies and their rescuers safe!
     
  16. Gardenista

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    What are the best hashtags to find tweets?
     
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    For non- swimmers PANIC is a definite concern. If they still needed mask and supplemental oxygen/air, how would a
    sedated kid keep the mouthpiece secured in his mouth?
    Are they thinking of trying this without air tanks?
     
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    #Thamluang #Thamluangcave #Thailandcaverescue

    I think the first hashtag is the most popular
     
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    I believe that’s what the full masks are for.
     
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    Thailand cave rescue: Trapped boys must be rescued before waters rise
     
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