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The 911 calls

Discussion in 'Long Island Serial Killer' started by shadowraiths, May 11, 2011.

  1. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    Just starting a thread so we can post links regarding the 911 calls to make the info easier to find later.
     
  2. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    Crossposting from previous post.
     
  3. shadowraiths

    shadowraiths LISK Liaison, Verified Forensic Psychology Special Staff Member Moderator

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    Cross post of partial transcript discussing the Dr. Hyde call from Here Women Talk.

     
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    MrsPC Active Member

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    T-Rex New Member

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    The weird thing is, though, after Suffolk Police Commissioner Richard Dormer told reporters the call was debunked, he added, "The homicide squad is going to check with the Gilbert family to follow up on that." And the article is dated 4/13/11. GOING to?
     
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    Redbird New Member

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    When I saw that video I got the impression he was not all that up on the case and was just answering questions on the fly.
     
  8. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    That "debunked" comment has always stuck in my craw. If something has already been "debunked", why would you need to follow up on it? The idea that you have "debunked" something implies that you have already "followed up" on it. Otherwise, how the hell can you say it's been "debunked"?!

    Just made Dormer look like a complete ass, imo.
     
  9. Redbird

    Redbird New Member

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    This may not be the appropriate thread as labeled but I didn't want it to get lost in the general threads. I am looking for links between the GB4 and feel the cell phone activity is important. Am listing them in the order of the events and their deaths.

    MAUREEN BRAINARD-BARNES: Cell phone with her;
    police have subsequently linked her phone activity to a cell phone tower on Long Island.
    7/9/07

    MELISSA BARTHELEMY: Cell phone with her: Received a call from Massapequa, L.I. (saw client?) and deposited $900 in bank account, determined that around the time she vanished, she checked her voice mail from two motels in Massapequa, a Budget Inn and a Best Western. Eight days later sister Amanda began receiving calls from M's cell phone. The police traced the calls to cellular towers in Times Square and Madison Square Garden. Boyfriend claims he also received calls for about 8 months. Boy friend claims she hung out on LI with older man. a regular john, and another escort.
    7/12/09

    SHANNAN GILBERT Cell phone with her. Cell phone has disappeared, along with Shannan. Mother receives call from "Dr. Hackett."
    5/1/10

    MEGAN WATERMAN DOES NOT HAVE CELL PHONE. Her mother receives a call at her place of employment from someone claiming to be LE wanting to talk about her daughter's case.

    AMBER COSTELLO: DOES NOT HAVE CELL PHONE. At john's request per Amber's roommate. ALC had received a call a few weeks prior to going missing at about 1 am, from a john wanting her to meet him at the same Express Holiday Inn (Happauge) where MW had last been seen.

    QUESTIONS:
    Did the SK ask the last two girls not to bring phones because of what happened to Shannan? (This could be a clue that Shannan is linked to the other cases.)

    Who was the other escort Melissa Barthelemy hung out with in L.I? Could it have been Amber Costello or Shannan Gilbert?

    Who was the older man Melissa hung out with on L.I? Could it have been JB? If the boy friend drove her there on several occasions, it could not have been the SK.

    All but Amber's case involve phone games. Why not Amber's family, sister?

    The cell phone games were very risky and hopefully will be his downfall.
     
  10. T-Rex

    T-Rex New Member

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    That's a great list! Just to add a little:
    ALC had johns call her on the phone of her roommate, Dave Schaller, 'for safety's sake.' Her last appointment called her 3-4 times on the night she disappeared, the last time around 10:30.
    I believe Shannan had two phones; her own, plus a throwaway phone whose number she listed in her ad. I'll try to find the article where I saw that.

    I have wondered, because the killer seems to have convinced some of the girls to meet him without a phone, and because the rate was much higher than they usually got, if he didn't tell them they were meeting a celebrity. (I think LE should really pursue that when interviewing other working girls.)
     
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    honestly imo i don't think the sk would ask the girls not to bring their cell phones. these girls are all too aware of the dangers of working and if a john asked them not to bring their phones that would be a huge red flag right off the bat.

    the girls have to be street smart to survive, even if a john they frequented asked them not to bring their cell phone i'd think it would make the john look shady.

    a lot of the girls likely used burners for work and for a john to ask them not to bring a phone just makes the john look really bad. there's no reason i could even think of that the john would use to ask them not to bring the phone. even a celebrity. if the girls were dealing with anyone famous, it's more likely that once they got to the john's house he would ask them to turn off their phones.
     
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    ITA
    Telling them not to bring a phone would make them suspicious off the bat which is the last thing he wants.
     
  13. Mountain_Kat

    Mountain_Kat Heca, firimar!

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    I absolutely agree with you on that, Chem. If some of our girls didn't bring a cell phone with them (and I'm not convinced that they didn't), then they left their phones behind because this guy had spent alot of time building up their trust.

    JMO
     
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    Yes, and if that was his MO, to charm them into a false sense of security, then the killer is probably not the ex cop, Perez. His MO appears to be the blitz attack.
     
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    Even if they did trust him I can't think of any legitimate reason he could give for leaving their phone.

    There are plenty of people in my life that I completely trust. But if one of them told me to leave my cell phone home when they picked me up I'd think wtf is that about and get the hell out of the car.
     
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    BBM: If Shannan Gilbert did hang out on LI with another call girl then it is possible that it was one of the victims and while at OB SG did hear or see something that related to that person. If SG knew that person to be missing, well, that would give her cause to be frightened.
     
  17. jimmydo

    jimmydo Bear in mind I could be wrong at any given moment.

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    Something bothers me about the 911 call.
    This something bothers me a lot...

    Let's refer back to JB's statement that he called MP to come get SG when she became 'uncooperative'. The story goes, when MP got to JB's to take SG out, she refused and said to MP: "you guys are trying to kill me."

    Why would SG use the phrase 'you guys' rather than the more logical 'those guys' when she was talking to MP?

    The story continues that SG then bolted and ran from JB's house and ran through the OB neighborhood trying to find someone to help her. Which brings me to my next question: Knowing that SG felt terrified that she was going to be killed, why would she run door to door seeking help? SG knew that MP brought here to OB in a car. Why didn't SG run straight for the car and get the L outta dodge? Wouldn't that make more logical sense than going door to door asking for help? Her words and actions seem to indicate that SG suspected MP was part of the 'you guys' who were trying to kill her.

    Even if there is a good explanation that covers why SG didn't run straight for the car, can anyone explain why SG ran right past the lighted and gated entrance to OB, and continued to run toward and into the dark marsh where she was ultimately found? The Commish's theory is that SG was running in that direction to get to the causeway, but logic says the shortest way back to the causeway was through the gated entrance/exit to the OB neighborhood.

    Once SG had ran past the entrance/exit and made it to GC's house asking for help, why didn't she stay at GC's? What made her bolt and start running again?

    Come on...even if SG faced possible arrest when the SCPD arrived at GC's, surely that would have been better than running outside, where there was far more possibility that something horrific was going to happen to her than if she had stayed. I think under the same circumstances, I'd stay put at GC's house and face arrest rather than running outside and facing the threat of being killed.

    Does it make sense that SG saw both MP and GC at JB's party, and ran away from both of them because she knew neither MP or GC was going to help her? GC himself said that when SG was at/in his house she just fell backward. Maybe the sudden realization that she had seen GC at JB's sent her reeling?

    I've read about what I call the 'drug induced panic' theory and the 'bipolar panic' theory, and I don't buy into either one. Most people who use drugs can still function while under the influence. We're talking about a street smart young woman here...she would have been very guarded about herself and it would seem she would exercise great caution to make sure no one slipped her something. Yes, it's possible either one could have happened, but SG seeing MP and GC at JB's sure seems to fit the chain of events that evening.
     
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    Double post
     
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    GC's house is before the gate

    I know someone close to GC. He was never friends with JB, he had never heard of him before that night.

    And if that were the case, why would GC call 911 for her?
     
  20. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    <bbm>

    I dunno dc ... I find it rather hard to believe that GC The Gatekeeper who owns #17 doesn't know JB who owns #8

    IIRC, GC said JB is "not one of my favorite people”
     

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