The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 3

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  1. BBB167893

    BBB167893 Former Member

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    That's what LE said, too.

    Maybe because it was available. But I'm not sold on the nightgown being there by accident. Not yet.
     


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    BBB167893 Former Member

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    No marks from the wrist bindings at all, Userid.
     
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    BBB167893 Former Member

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    Hey, that's a great catch!

    Here's an idea: what about a painting sling? I can't take credit for this; DeeDee249 brought it up. But painting slings are made from cord and used to transport paintings. It wouldn't be any trick to take one apart.
     
  4. Userid

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    Thanks Annapurna -- I'm trying to remember where I heard about the duct tape being behind the picture in JBR's bedroom -- it's really annoying me now that I can't remember, but anyways...I agree, it was probably all used up in this crime, so there wouldn't be any remainder that would need to be removed from the house.

    Didn't the R's own a boat? That nylon string that is pictured is for outdoor use (i.e. boating).
     
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    The housekeeper said she saw the exact same knot tied around a box in the basement. I'd like to know what size box, and if it still had the rope knotted around it.
     
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    They owned several boats. One called "Miss America".
     
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    I brought this up on another thread. It had been mentioned these cords were wrapped around presents and boxes. I had wondered if they were like the cords placed around packages that are heavy or bulky to lift and carry them from the store.

    Maybe they were used that way prior.

    Moo.
     
  8. Userid

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    ^ Wow, very interesting.

    So the only items that are technically "unaccounted for" would be the "stun gun" (assuming those marks were from a stun gun) and the duct tape (assuming the story I heard about the detective having ESP and discovering similar pieces of duct tape on the back of the framed picture in JBR's room is a rumor). Also, the other piece of the paintbrush; and the blunt-force object that was used. 4 objects, 2 of which are in question and one of which (the paintbrush) we all know came from inside the house. So that, in reality, leaves one: the blunt-force object (assuming it wasn't the flash light). Everything else was found in the house and came from a source that was inside the house.

    I am a RDI'er, but honestly, the one thing I can't look beyond is those "stun gun" markings. I don't really buy CBS' theory that they came from a train track; the one on her cheek by her ear especially doesn't look like it came from that source. I really don't know what to think about those markings -- I've seen stun-gun pics that really do look exactly like those on JBR.
     
  9. Annapurna

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    The only problem is that in the AR the marks are described as abrasions, not burns. This suggests the skin was punctured, not just damaged.

    I've never seen marks that look like that which were taken within a similar time frame. I have seen pictures ( the ones Lou smit used) of Howard Boggs who was tasered at the time of death, and the marks do look similar...however the photos were taken after his body was exhumed. He was buried for SIX MONTHS before the pics were taken.


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  10. s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

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    As if its not confusing enough, even the cord can be linked to any of the three Rs.

    Its also used in rock climbing and boy scout knot tying.

    http://scoutingmagazine.org/2016/04/tie-essential-scouting-knots/

    [video=youtube;qNNug8rQgyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNNug8rQgyc[/video]

    This braided nylon cord is also used for picture hanging, crafts and some sewing projects, such as costumes.

    Its also used on parachutes.
     
  11. PositiveLight

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    Yeah I agree. Those weren't stun gun marks. Besides if you watched the CBS documentary, they showed what a grown man would do when tased. Imagine a 6 year old girl. She'd scream and probably run to get away. Stun guns aren't supposed to knock you out.
    [video=youtube;IdLv94Y5LsM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdLv94Y5LsM[/video]
    I don't think imho it was a stun gun.
     
  12. Annapurna

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    True, all 4 really. JBR was taking rock climbing lessons. To make it even more confusing, there was that rope found in JAR's room, he was an avid hiker I believe.


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  13. HarmonyE.

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    They don't match up measurement-wise with the stun gun Lou Smit insisted was the one used.They weren't described as burns but as abrasions by the ME.There is no earthly reason why a kidnapper or murderer would use a stun gun on a sleeping child. It would cause the child to wake and scream. The duct tape would have been a quieter and much more effective option.There was no stun gun.
     
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    Yeah, very good point. You all make a good point about the stun gun being useless because it would most likely induce JBR to scream more than anything.

    Nonetheless though, I still don't believe those marks were caused by a train-track, but I could be wrong.
     
  15. s(he) be(lie)ve(d)

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    http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682465/Duct Tape on Mouth#SourceofTape

    Not From Picture Frame. "BPD detective Byfield had located two paintings in the home, one of which was hung in JonBenet’s bedroom, that had black tape attached to the rear of the frames. There was no match with the strip of tape found in the windowless room, however. It was later determined that Better Light Photography Studio had placed these pieces of tape on the frames in 1993" (Schiller 1999a:106; quote and source reported by Internet poster Braveheart). Internet poster WhyNut has done a screen capture from a report by Trip DeMuth showing that black duct tape was found on some Ramsey pictures, but that this tape was from a different production run than the tape found on JBR
     
  16. Annapurna

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    Just an FYI (not related to the above info) to be kinda careful with the pbworks site, a lot of it is sourced from forums so it can be hard to determine what is good evidence and what is not. Side note, I was just approved to edit the JBR pbworks site! So I will try and find good sources for everything. Just wanted to let you know. I love seeing all the info laid out like that, but I feel a little suspicious of the facts sometimes (I feel like a teacher telling you not to use Wikipedia as a source, lol... the same idea applies though! its a good place to get info, but you can't use it as the source). Not trying to be rude, and the above info is fine, just had to say it and I'm not good at keeping my mouth shut, lol
     
  17. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    Could also be a string they used to tie (one of) their artificial Christmas trees ( artificial greens fround in JBR hair..?). That was one of the reason I asked some time ago, if they were storing their trees in the wine cellar in boxes or not. Just a thought.

    -Nin
     
  18. HarmonyE.

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    I've never understood how anything much could be made of the garland strand in her hair. That whole house was Christmas hell. It literally could have come from anywhere.
     
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    RIGHT! The pictures taken at the time of his autopsy don't look anything like the marks on JB. They look like the ones on Sgt. Wilson, though.
     
  20. PositiveLight

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    That's what I feel is the actual original use for it. My daddy was a boy scout leader and he used this same type of knot and rope to keep our Christmas tree boxes together. After a few years they get weaker so the closure helps keep it in the box. There may have been a bunch of them laying around since they used so many Christmas trees. Maybe the others disappeared during the hour and a half John was missing. Does anyone know what the items blacked out on the search warrants were? I'm curious if they could be the missing link. They had to black them out for a good reason.

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