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Discussion in 'LISK CLOSED General Discussion Threads' started by MrsPC, Feb 29, 2012.

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  1. ps149

    ps149 New Member

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    -PFA???

    Those are some really harsh accusations you are making about a really awesome police force. These men and women risk their lives every day to protect and serve the public. Accusing them of LIES without a SHRED of evidence that anyone from the SCPD has lied about this case is COMPLETELY inappropriate.
     


  2. ps149

    ps149 New Member

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    Well at least you are not making false accusations that one of them LIED.

    As far as doing anything significant in regards to these crimes, it's easy to scrutinize sitting in a chair behind a computer screen from a home. It's also easy to scrutinize on what could've, would've, should've been done. Unless you are a homicide detective on the inside of this investigation, nobody has any right to judge the hard work and the effort the homicide unit has contributed to this case.

    It's got to be among the top ten most difficult cases in history to solve.
     
  3. Really?

    Really? South Jersey USA

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    Really?
     
  4. twocuriouscats

    twocuriouscats Searching for Killer Owls

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    hmmmmmm....puff...puff....:floorlaugh:
     
  5. danzn16

    danzn16 For the missing

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    Sorry just stumbled upon this thread. Was one of the victims of the LI SK a medical student??

    I'm a medical student and I'll be $300k in debt when I'm finished so the debt is indeed very frightening. But prostitution and the creepers you could meet are more so!! And this article... aren't UK colleges free?
     
  6. mysterymom7

    mysterymom7 Former Member

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    First, I didn't say SCPD lied, I just pointed out that this entire case is full of lies.

    Let me list the lies/misinformation/strange behavior that come to me immediately from SCPD. These are what appear to ME as lies (thing that make me go hmmmm).

    1. Who was the first on scene?

    2. Nobody can tell me, "We didn't know where she was," when TWO neighbors call 911 and describe a nameless woman running and screaming down the road. If, like the SCPD stated, the police were there 10 min after BB's call, she would have been able to point in the general direction of where she was last seen running.

    3. Did they look for SG 10 min after responding to the scene? I highly doubt it since she "ran through the marsh," and apparently just took of her pants and shoes and left all her stuff behind running to die in that area. If they had, and it occurred the way the SCPD said, why did it take so long to find SG?

    4. I'm not fooled into believing the SCPD were "searching for SG" 5(ish) miles in the opposite direction of where she was last seen alive when they stumbled upon GB4's remains.

    5. Dormer and Spota PUBLICLY disagreed with the 1 or more killer theory. That, alone, is a lack of professionalism. Sitting in a restaurant, it would be very unlikely that you would have a manager come up to your table while your server is standing here and the manage tells the server that he gave you the wrong food. It's just unprofessional.

    6. The 911 call from SG. In one letter there are MULTIPLE contradictory statements. She was calm, but she then ran. She screamed for help, but there was no argument.

    7. SG died by drowning or from the elements following a 23 minute 911 call. She was on the phone with 911 for 23 minutes, but then left that phone to take her pants off and run away from that phone to burrow herself to die from hypothermia... or drown in a couple inches of water.

    8. Dec. 2011 (before SG's body was found) the FBI found 90 (that's NINETY) points of interest, and the SCPD said they had no plans to search, until a few days later when they found SG's stuff, and a few days later her body. No more plans to search the rest of the points of interest. I mean, why WOULD they want to add any more bodies to their list? That just means more work.

    9. As soon as they found SG's body, there has been no further investigation or mention of LISK other than the new bodies found in Manorville.

    10. It is apparent that SG was just labeled a missing person. The 911 call should have kept the investigators from just looking at it as a missing person case and dig deeper. Instead, they waited until 3 months later to come back and INVESTIGATE and then clear the most obvious suspects without a THOROUGH investigation.
     
  7. SoSueMe

    SoSueMe Former Member

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    Let's table the political talk and get back to the LISK case please.
     
  8. ps149

    ps149 New Member

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    What else do you label someone who is missing? You are not privy to how thorough the investigation has been (so you cannot rightfully state that they cleared suspects without a thorough investigation. SG's case received more funding and a more thorough investigation than 99% of all cases to come through the homicide unit. Your statement is completely FALSE
     
  9. truthspider

    truthspider New Member

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    We don't need non-public information to determine that the investigation wasn't thorough enough. They didn't find her for over a year, and she was right there. This wasn't a man overboard at sea, or a lost child in some vast mountain range, or a missing person in NYC. It is an extremely small enclave of houses on an extremely small island in flat suburban long island. There were no caves, no forest, and no places to hide. SG was either not in that location when they searched, or the SCPD's search serioulsy lacked any type of rigor. I personally believe that she wasn't in that location during the multiple searches. If SG was always in the location where her remains were found, then good luck convincing anyone that the search was thorough.
     
  10. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    ps149, Your points are that

    * This is a difficult case, TRUE

    * SCPD is filled with highly skilled and motivated members have busted their asses on this case. TRUE

    * Millions of dollars have been spent on the case (Helicopters etc are not cheap)TRUE

    But you have to also agree

    * From the beginning SCPD under Dormer did not take this case very seriously.

    * Most evidence discovered has been found by chance, not effective police work.

    * The man hours and effort dedicated by Sleuthers and others seeking justice for SG and the other victims likely exceeds the SCPD man hours.

    * Mistakes were made by SCPD.

    * One of the reason SCPD has had to expend so much time and money is because of errors made early on.

    * SCPD and the whole County Administration is embarrassed by the focus this case has brought upon them.

    * The results speak for themselves, SCPD could have laid mis-demeanor charges in this case months ago, they chose not too.

    * Much of the misfortune that has fallen on the SCPD was authored by their leadership.

    * SCPD has cleared CPH,MP,and JB, and have not said they have any other persons of interest.

    * CPH and MP are innocent until proven guilty, but their actions and words point to their involvement and probable culpability.

    * I ask you to compare the Beltway sniper case, and the leadership shown by Charles Moose and the Montgomery County Police Department to this case. That was a tough case, but it was solved. and nobody felt it was going to go cold.

    * What has SCPD accomplished since SG's body was found?

    * You do not have to be the apologist for the SCPD, they can stand on their record.



    MOO
     
  11. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    Last I heard this thread is called CROCKPOT. You can throw anything in to make the stew. CRACKPOTS should be encouraged to participate. THIS CASE, IMO, IS ALL ABOUT POLITICS.

    I have participated in hundreds of murder cases over the last ten years of my career. I have also been involved in serial murder cases. How many have you been involved with other than a website?
     
  12. NoviceSleuth

    NoviceSleuth New Member

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    The SCPD also missed finding her earring on JB driveway and they "lost" her jacket after they had it in their possession.

    Between the SCPD, GC, BB, JB, MP, AD, we still can not determine what she was really wearing, what items were found and where and what items were not found/missing that she was wearing or had with her that night - eg., wig, boots, cells, underwear, etc.

    After finding SB, her pants, pocketbook, one cell, lipstick, a pair of ballet slippers, there was no mention of or accounting for other items that she must have had. IMO it could help in some way to trace her whereabouts that night - She could have changed out of her boots somewhere and left them there.
     
  13. Justiceforever

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    Did they find her ballet slippers? I thought she had changed into boots. Was she running in slippers or boots. When and where and why would she have put on her slippers? I' m confused. Where are her boots? Are they missing?
     
  14. Peter Brendt

    Peter Brendt New Member

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    Mathematically spoken hundreds of cases means n>200 (as in at least two times hundred) ... that makes at least 200/120 per month or 1.66 cases per months. To reach that, you would actually need some pretty prolific serial killers in your area just to hold up your workload ... or, despite working the cases, you never caught anybody and thus the numbers climbed over time ... well, that's all under the assumption of cause, your statement of "hundreds of cases in the last decade" is true and not exaggerated ... just doing the math.

    Peter
     
  15. NoviceSleuth

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    IIRC they found ballet-type flats with her pants, pocketbook, lipstick, cell and items from her purse. I don't believe they found her boots though. When she was discovered by OParkway LE didn't mention what she was or wasn't wearing. It would appear her boots and other items disappeared.

    From the info we know, it would seem that she was running barefooted through the marsh. Her pants "fell off" so she couldn't have been wearing her boots?
     
  16. Peter Brendt

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    Okay, it's not an easy one, but then to claim, this is a case of a historical difficulty level, as ps did, is also a little over the top. Bundy forced LE, to cooperate over a dozen county lines and even state lines. That's a problem, we don't have here. Ridgway's victims aren't identified till today ... another problem, we don't have with the GB4 at least. Franklin changed his signature in between and returned to his old one years later. Doesn't look like we have that problem here. During the Hillside Strangler case, offender profiling was new and rarely were enough profilers available. Another problem, we don't have in this case. Eckert in Europe spread his bodies all over the road net of Europe, in Spain, France, Germany, Czechia and so on. A problem we don't have in this case.
    I could go on and on. There are literally dozens of cases with a higher level of difficulty. However, there is a triad of symptoms, that appear almost exclusively connected to unsolved SK cases:

    - rubber stamp profiling
    - secrecy to "protect the investigation"
    - losing evidence/ignoring evidence

    The weird thing is, that when one of those symptoms shows up in a PD during such a case, at least one other will show up soon after. And one has to admit SCPD has shown already all three. So well, one can say, they try to do their job and thus are out of any critique, but still, they haven'T covered all base as long as there was time and that, in my opinion, puts them back into critique. And be it only to make them finally move.

    Peter
     
  17. WINDSOR

    WINDSOR Well-Known Member

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    Peter, when Hawkshaw made this statement .......

    I have participated in hundreds of murder cases over the last ten years of my career. I have also been involved in serial murder cases. How many have you been involved with other than a website?

    I believe he was speaking of hundreds of murder cases and some of those being serial killer cases. The vast majority of murders and homicides do not involve serial killers.
    As strange as it sounds most murders involve friends and family.

    MOO
     
  18. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    FRANKLY, I expected more from you, MR.PB. I wrote I was involved in hundreds of murder cases and some of them were serial killer cases. Real serial killers, not just people that killed a lot of people. Maybe three or four in some capacity or another.
     
  19. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    thanks, windsor, and you probably never wrote a book. ANY murder investigation that is easy IF you know the answers.

    I have never really accused the SCPD for being incompetent. When you get right down to it most detectives have a high degree of incompetency if you really want to be honest with yourself. I have always gone at this from a different direction. I question the investigation as not be trustworthy. I consider myself to be an EXPERT on such matters SCPD.
     
  20. CriminalMinds

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    wow-interesting statement from a former homicide detective(although I would somewhat agree, both I tend to hold homicide dets. in higher regard than other dets., since the pre-reqs are a much higher standard--good thing you said this, and not someone else, or the roof might have been blown off the proverbial house---thanks for your honest assessment
     
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