The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 10th July - Trial Day 18

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    I just found your post odd lol
     


  2. Solaris

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    Sorry if I'm repeating what has already been said, but I haven't had a chance to read the rest of the thread.

    I note that one of the jurors has been admonished by the judge for downloading information from the internet on the role of a jury in a criminal trial.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...rs-deliberations-continue-20140710-zt35q.html

    A few years ago I was the foreman of a jury. They chose me because no-one else wanted to do it and I have previous experience facilitating groups so they thought I would be able to keep them on task (which I was able to do for the most part). Not sure what they do now, but at that time the court did not give me any information about how to structure the process of contemplating the evidence to ensure that it is well-considered and everyone had a chance to air their views. I was given no information about how to resolve differences of opinion about the evidence which can be really tricky to negotiate.

    Nearly the first thing that juries do is to take a poll to see how people are thinking before any deliberations. What I was lucky enough to know before I was given the role of foreman, was that this is a very unhelpful strategy early in the process as it commits people to their position and can make it difficult for them to see the evidence in other ways (even when the poll is anonymous). Because of what I knew, I avoided taking a poll until we had all had a chance to discuss our different views about the evidence.

    I wonder whether the juror in this trial who did the internet search was seeking some information on process, because it is not easy to talk about multiple pieces of evidence and manage 12 people's ideas about it, let alone come to some sort of consensus re verdict.

    The trial I was involved in was not a murder trial, but I found the experience a great responsibility and very draining (especially having to stand up in court and state our verdict). The stakes were not as high as in this situation and I can imagine the jury in this trial wants to make sure that they do the best job they can in considering the evidence and reaching a verdict. Just my two cents...
     
  3. LauraT

    LauraT Member

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    So you're all set for your morning walk then.... Sure he's really sick...:thinking:
     
  4. Susan12

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    Hey thanks heaps for creating the poll! Awesome. Very interesting.
     
  5. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    The children. Possibly never to be seen again by the Dickies.

    TMCH would take him back in a heartbeat and be all gooey that he's back 'unconditionally'.
    She'd buy that people-mover vehicle for the tribe and be happy to change her clan to a hyphenated name.
    Heirs pfffft.
     
  6. Susan12

    Susan12 Active Member

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    You sound very smart to have not done the poll straight away. I guess if one was done better to do it anonymously for the same reason you mentioned of people not wanting to seem to have changed their minds.

    I wonder if they are still deliberating because

    1) they're still trying to agree whether he did it or not
    2) they agree he did it but can't agree whether it's murder or manslaughter
    3) they've decided just trying to make it look like they spent more time thinking about it to have it treated as well considered
     
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    :laughcry: Good one!
     
  8. tarjessi

    tarjessi Former Member

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    I know of a place that sells 3 donuts for $3 hot and fresh...sorry to veer off topic for a minute. I do hope the jury make the right decision.

    Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
     
  9. Susan12

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  10. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    I think it was one of our sleuthers who heard whilst in court.
     
  11. Ooohm

    Ooohm Well-Known Member

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    Eyes of Clay, Feet of Clay...
     
  12. Susan12

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    Had to reply to my own post after watching it again. I feel seriously sick. He knew she wasn't coming home. He knew she was dead. He did it. He didn't feel that bad about it at the time either from the looks of it or he could have used that emotion to seem more upset. I will be devastated if the jury let him go. Did they ever get to see this footage?

    Early on I thought a third party may have been involved but if the police found no calls between them (?) how did the third party know to come assist? Was it more premeditated then I might have thought or did one drive to the other? Still trying to work out what the police wondered about the unusual thing at the kenmore roundabout. Can't have just been his car driving through as that's not unusual. Wasn't there some rumour about a person sitting at the bus stop? Although that's not unusual too. What was unusual?
     
  13. UnfoldingTruth

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    In this case the jurors were asked if they had ever expressed an opinion as to the guilt or not of the defendent (GBC) as part of the selection. If they had answered yes, they were dismissed(not selected) I believe. My comment on that was, they'd be hard pressed to find someone in Brisbane who hasn't at some point expressed an opinion on it, even if it was only within the four walls of their own home.
     
  14. TootsieFootsie

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    Whenever I hear the name Clay I think of the Waltons TV series or rather the original Spencers Mountain.
    In the original Spencer's Mountain movie the eldest son was Clay-Boy, later changed to John-Boy for the tv series.
    Olivia Walton was the mothers name in the tv series.
     
  15. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    Totally agree. I hope the jury get it right One thing I worry about is that they find him not guilty because they didn't fully understand the application if the law on certain aspects of the case and their decisions. As it's been said it's a big responsibility and the law is not simple to understand, and the jury haven't had very long to absorb and go over evidence.
     
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    I've been thinking about this too . It could have been arranged in person earlier in the evening for someone to come over later and sit with the kids while we go out and vent .... Or even in one of the calls earlier in the day . As Fuller suggested , that venting session took place on the 19 th not the 18 th .
     
  17. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    I haven't had time to keep up with all posts, but if a verdict comes in tomorrow, or whenever, are those of us in Brisbane going to meet up and celebrate justice for Allison. Not to trivialise the crime but to have a drink in honour of Allison and justice. I realise some may prefer to remain anonymous..
     
  18. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Scenario.
    As Allison suffered asthma I thought if he'd held the pillow over her face and went into the other room then later realised what he'd done and it was too late.

    If she'd died that way, was it the asthma or him and the pillow??

    Scenario.
    A person who is threatened, runs for their life, runs out in front of a car and gets killed.
    I believe the killer is the person who first was threatening their life to make him run. Not the driver of the car.
     
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    Didn't they need to ask additional questions with one of the jury members during the jury selection process? (just before they confirmed the jury had been selected).
     
  20. ThaiBali

    ThaiBali Well-Known Member

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    The girls are not in her plans for the future.."it would be best if you had the girls at the your house and you move in with me every second week" no one has to know. If HE is released she'll be his first stop.

    has Pastor Walton been in court lately.
     
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