The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 18th June - Trial Day 6, Week 2

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Makara

    Makara Former Member

    Messages:
    7,107
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Here is a zoomed image of the cut on GBC's hand. IMO this one is hard to call. It may well have been a cut GBC sustained from elsewhere but my mind immediately goes to a visual of him clamping this hand over Allison's mouth and coming into contact with a tooth.

    It's been stated that Allison's left eye tooth was chipped. If you visualise GBC standing behind Allison, grabbing her with his right hand (the cut hand) and clamping that hand over her mouth, that cut would pretty well line up with Allison's eye tooth. At the very least it would come into contact with her teeth, causing a cut.
     

    Attached Files:



  2. Consider

    Consider New Member

    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Alison's hair was long and being corrected for the second time - the hairdressers needed to get it right this time... My hair is mid length and takes 3 hours for colour plus foils (no cut)
     
  3. spratsmum

    spratsmum Member

    Messages:
    631
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    18
    I think I am going to have to chat to my hairdresser, I must be getting value for my money. Lol
     
  4. Forthegirls

    Forthegirls New Member

    Messages:
    48
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'm a little late in catching up..sorry...but yes, of course, this makes perfect sense. Why else would they have come so quickly? Well done, Tangled Web :drumroll:
     
  5. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Being one of first to visit at A Gorrie. Very stoic friendships are made at the Toowoomba Grammar School
     
  6. toe

    toe New Member

    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    go the blues
     
  7. Consider

    Consider New Member

    Messages:
    250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If usually unmade (as the children's usually were) he wouldn't have known.

    He pulled the covers back on her side that morning but it seems bed making wasn't a routine priority. Three young girls - something's not a priority (that bed was most likely not a place of pride sadly).

    IMO
     
  8. Neuromancer

    Neuromancer New Member

    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I agree. I think that he'd been plotting it for a while, but planning something a lot neater. But then he just lost it that night in an argument that got out of control and went through with it there and then.

    And no - you don't need to be pardoned for having a caring human response to something horrible and stupid :)
     
  9. coops

    coops New Member

    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Apologies if this has been asked before but what direction was toni mchugh living in at the time of allisons death? Was she possibly leaving the house to confront Toni after Gerard's drawing of the unit along with any info he had shared?? Maybe very upset and leaving to confront her......??


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  10. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

    Messages:
    12,283
    Likes Received:
    127
    Trophy Points:
    0
    BBM

    Text copied from GBC's charge sheet...

    Details of Charge

    Charge 1 of 2

    Criminal Code(CC)-(CC) 302&305 Murder

    That on or about the 19th day of April 2012 at BRISBANE in the State of Queensland one GERARD ROBERT BADEN-CLAY murdered ALLISON JUNE BADEN-CLAY

    Address of offence: 593 BROOKFIELD RD, BROOKFIELD, QLD 4069
    ---------------------------------------

    Charge 2 of 2

    Criminal Code (CC) -)CC)236(b) Misconduct with corpse by interfering

    That on or about the 19th day of April 2012 at BRISBANE in the State of Queensland one GERARD BADEN-CLY IMPROPERLY INTERFERED WITH A DEAD HUMAN BODY

    Address of offence: CREEK - KHOLO CREEK, MOUNT CROSBY,QLD 4306

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9048041&postcount=3"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Bail Hearing Documents *No Discussion*[/ame]
     
  11. Cattail

    Cattail New Member

    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0



    Yes I agree - an escalation that was unplanned, and then he thought he could get the insurance money out of it ...
     
  12. Neuromancer

    Neuromancer New Member

    Messages:
    642
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Toni was in a unit at Toowong (opposite direction from Kholo Ck)

    (and now i'm annoyed realising I know more about these damn people than I do about some of my friends! >.< )
     
  13. coops

    coops New Member

    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    0

    Thanks for the reply.... Hmmmm pretty obvious thought but I find it hard to read all of these posts so I miss quite a lot sometimes. Plus I'm in NSW..... No idea of the geography up there.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  14. Cattail

    Cattail New Member

    Messages:
    337
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0

    My hair is long - past my bra - I am out in less than 3 hours with colour, foils, cut and blow dry. It is a really variable thing and can't be guessed at it appears. :)
     
  15. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

    Messages:
    12,283
    Likes Received:
    127
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Folks the bail hearing documents are all contained in the following link...

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=202113"]Bail Hearing Documents *No Discussion* - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
     
  16. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    48
    How bizarre.
     
  17. Couldbe

    Couldbe Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    646
    Likes Received:
    673
    Trophy Points:
    93
    I know that I am still 'banging on' about medication, but yesterday I posted:

    "Sertraline packet found
    This may sound pedantic, but Kieron Ash said that he had located medication in the central console of the Captiva ..... it was a box saying it was Sertraline which had been prescribed to Allison, and he placed the packet on the bonnet of the Captiva. There was nothing in the Prado.
    I did not hear anything from Police today about finding Zoloft in the vehicle (maybe this is still to come!)."

    Other Posters enlightened me as to the fact that Sertraline and Zoloft are one and the same medication.

    Yesterday, Kieron Ash said in the Trial:
    20 Apr - “I located some medication that belonged to Allison in the central console of the vehicle, between the two front seats just behind the handbrake.”
    Constable Ash said he took the medication out and placed it on the bonnet of the car.
    The jury was shown a photo of the box of Zoloft prescribed to Allison Baden Clay that he found.
    He said there was nothing in the Prado that was of interest and he failed to find the phone in either car.

    Yesterday, http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226956622231
    20 Apr - 'Sgt Jackson said his attention was eventually drawn to the Holden Captiva in the car port, where a packet of prescription medication was found.
    “I noticed most of the medication had been consumed,” he said.'

    Today, http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ing-wife-allison/story-fnihsrf2-1226957998156
    Mr Byrne held up a journal that belonged to Allison Baden-Clay in the court.

    The jury was shown a photo of the main bedroom and Sen-Constable Simmons agreed he found the journal underneath a bedside table.

    He agreed he found an empty box of sertraline or Zoloft tablets.

    “From memory I think it was on top of the rear tyre of the car,” he said."
    (Both these finds occurred on 21 April 2012)

    .... From my Trial observation today, Sen-Constable Simmons also said that there was no foil in the box. (I don't know if anybody else remembers hearing this as well!).

    My point is:
    There seems to be quite a significant discrepancy between the evidence given by Kieron Ash and Snr-Constable Simmons.

    Questions:
    ......was it merely memory problems in evidence of the two Police Officers? Or,
    ......was another packet of Zoloft placed on the rear tyre of the car overnight.
     
  18. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    48
    St LUCIA, wasn't it?
     
  19. possumheart

    possumheart Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,018
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Still, only the second person to get up can make it, if the first person has left the house. And it was made. Gerard made the bed.
     
  20. marlywings

    marlywings Former Member

    Messages:
    12,283
    Likes Received:
    127
    Trophy Points:
    0
    A box contains 30 tablets.

    http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcmed.nsf/pages/pfczolot/$File/pfczolot.pdf
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page



  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice