The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 24th June - Trial Day 9, Week 3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. LadyBird1

    LadyBird1 Member

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    Lychee, your point being .....?
     


  2. FirstTimer

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    Where did all the money go? Over $300,000 from friends, and then hits up Flegg for another $400,000. Bloody hell. Or did his learning's at Flight Centre prepare him for a life in real estate stealing money from there too.

    Not a very clever chappy is he?
     
  3. lycheefarmer

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    <modsnip>How did a body get dragged accumulating 6 species of plant life from the patio or surrounds and not create a drag mark? If on the patio it would have resulted in a trail where there were no undisturbed leaves that had come off the trees. If through the longish grass there would have been a crushed trail I would have thought. Just my 20c worth!
     
  4. LadyBird1

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    Plus the wife's life insurance was due to be paid, but wasn't paid (possibly due to insufficient funds= No money.)
     
  5. minusfour

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    I'm a business owner too, and have been puzzled by the gigantic failure of this business- wasn't 2010 meant to have been a really successful year sales wise. (According to partners statements) And this was things really looked terrible.
    I reckon GBC got bored. He wasn't selling houses, he wasn't managing the business, he wasn't staying home and being a good father or husband. He infected his business, and his family, with not one, but at least three affairs. At work he was described as lazy by one of the partners, hiring people to do work which he should have been doing. I reckon he was bored, bored, bored- a low boredom threshold is one of the characteristics of sociopathy- honestly, I just don't think he could make himself go through the boring old motions that we all have to face pretty much everyday. He sought diversions- affairs, new offices- recklessly. He let his partners down dreadfully, and I bet he did the same to clients, never bothering to go the extra mile, do what he had said he would do, never taking responsibility.
    Bored by a normal life.
    Poor Allison and girls, a totally inadequate man in their family
     
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    I recall reading that Gered was sacked by Flight Centres and then he tried unsuccessfully to get them for unfair dismissal.
     
  7. FirstTimer

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    Because he wasn't alone. No drag marks when two people carry a body.
     
  8. Neuromancer

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    Good point

    Yes - he sued Flight Centre for wrongful dismissal (I don't think it's in the docs here but google baden-clay vs flight centre and you should find it). I forget the details but he hadn't actually completed some qualification that was required for the job or something like that

    Addit - adding link cos it was impossible to google with all the current stuff up there
    - it's the oldest (2000) on this page http://apps.courts.qld.gov.au/esearching/Results.aspx?Lastcompanyname=baden-clay
     
  9. alioop

    alioop Verified Attorney (AU)

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    Yes sometimes the prosecution does ask questions in re examination. Transcripts are usually available but you have to buy them and they are not cheap.
     
  10. FigTree

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    Just caught up - phew - thankyou to all the posters today, especially those keeping on top of the tweets, and to those posts that made me laugh out loud - the thought provoking, the expressive and emotional posts - today was a big day, and the ending of the days evidence being left on a cliff hanger like that... tomorrow will be interesting.

    I am feeling a little more optimistic now...
    It seems the defense are trying to cover the very obvious bases - but I think the Crown is allowing them to do that because the Crown has something up their sleeve.
    No doubt the Defense are taking a crash course in garden foliage tonight so as to be prepared for tomorrow.

    Just wanted to cover some bases with some past posts on the thread -
    Makara post 638
    Any losses they encounter can be written off - may even be to their advantage.
    Though, not to have a written agreement tells me there was more going on, and something is wrong within the testament of the 3 lender/partners.
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    And the plant material -
    There are more than 200 varieties of List of Melaleuca species - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    :)
     
  11. LadyBird1

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    Perhaps Lychee, <modsnip> How did a body get dragged accumulating 6 Species of plant matter from the patio etc and not create a drag mark?
    The point is that:
    6 species of plant species from the patio etc were found in her hair.
    How did that occur?
    Don't know, but it did occur. That is a fact.
    There were no drag marks? I am not a Boy Scout, just a scrubber from the bush. Scouts might be able to answer that better. Isn't that what Scouts are trained about?
     
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    He was so busy "chasing his tail" whether it be chasing funds/chasing his mistress/girlfriends etc it does not bade well for a successful business owner/manager/partner/husband/father and I could go on & on. It takes a lot of energy to manage a business, but his energy was being spent elsewhere. So sad on so many levels.
     
  13. they'll get you

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    <modsnip>I found myself zooming in on the outside pavers, broken fronds and flattened shrubs to see if I could see anything.

    I also zoomed in on <modsnip> hair to see if Allison might have left wet nail polish in his hair.

    Justice and truth.
     
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    Sorry to seem dim but surely if two people were carrying the body you wouldn't accumulate the plant matter or at the very least you wouldn't brush past 6 species.
     
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    I'm hoping it's a different species and links to Kholo Creek ;)

    Sent from my GT-N5110 using Tapatalk
     
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    I have been remiss lately , I admit it, to counting the species I brush past.. sheer laziness, I know.. I 've been distracted.
     
  17. Neuromancer

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    Just my opinion but I don't think she was dragged. She was light enough for a 6" man to carry - esp with adrenaline running thru his system (adrenaline makes you a lot stronger).

    In my mind there was a fight that spilled out onto the back patio (maybe arguing outside to not wake the kids, or she's running off to get away from him, maybe he got that hand cut from trying to grab her car keys out of her hand), and some physical altercation happened. She ended up on the ground, head/hair being pressed into the leaves (leaves were so entangled in the hair they had to be cut out) while being strangled with her jumper.
     
  18. Bazinga

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    Adding the suggestions from other posters
    Crepe myrtle
    Caterpillar

    I'll add
    Creek

    <modsnip>
     
  19. kwash

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    In post 640 on this thread there is a picture of the crashed car and GBC walking with a bag strap over his shoulder. It appears the bag is either a backpack (with only one shoulder strap in use) or a cross-body bag (like a gym bag or a soft sided briefcase) worn over the shoulder instead of across the body. I was thinking this type of strap could cause the neck and chest 'injuries' seen on GBC. Perhaps he tried to leave the house and ABC grabbed at the bag to hold him back (e.g. they were in the middle of an argument and he tried to leave with her trying to stop him). This could have escalated into a physical altercation resulting in her murder.

    Also, someone mentioned money laundering. I believe there are laws setting thresholds for reporting transactions/transfers of funds above a certain amount. Perhaps the threshold in Australia is over $90,000?
     
  20. LadyBird1

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    If someone was having a humdinger of an argument, and that someone thought their life was in danger, I very much doubt they would be concerned about disturbing the kids. Just saying.
    And Saying a bit more, more likely that same someone might try and scream out at top throttle, hoping that someone, anyone might hear her plight. "Help! Someone, Please HELP me!"
     
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