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The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 26th June - Trial Day 11, Week 3
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 32s
Byrne says Gerard confessed to the affair but told Allison his decision was to stay in the marriage. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard met Toni to tell her it was over. Unlike Allison's reaction, "Toni lost it". #badenclay
Byrne says Toni yelled, called him a lowlife. Eventually he left, went back to the office and told his staff what had happened. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard confessed to the affair but told Allison his decision was to stay in the marriage. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard met Toni to tell her it was over. Unlike Allison's reaction, "Toni lost it". #badenclay
Byrne says Toni yelled, called him a lowlife. Eventually he left, went back to the office and told his staff what had happened. #badenclay
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Neither of them shared details such as Allison’s condition, whatever it was. They would socialise less and less. She wouldn’t want to go to social functions and that’s what they did. It wasn’t a hiding of it, it was simply the way they were,” he said.
Mr Byrne said Ms Baden-Clay suffered a miscarriage at the end of 2002.
“That did not help her with depression and the ongoing panic attacks. Nevertheless, Allison wanted to have another child and they were both very happy when she fell pregnant (with their second daughter) who was due before Christmas, 2003,” he said.
He said Ms Baden-Clay’s episodes had continued and for the first time in 2003, saw psychiatrist Dr Tom George and was diagnosed with depression, anxiety and “transient suicidal thoughts”.
Mr Byrne said Ms Baden-Clay continued to see Dr George, often with the accused.
“Clearly he had no concept that this was something that was a medical, chemical imbalance. You can understand a miscarriage, or something giving rise to mood swings but he at that stage had not put together that this was a medical condition,” he said.
Mr Byrne said there were relapse episodes but Zoloft “evened out” the effects and helped to stabilise her mood.
“It meant she was rather flat but certainly not depressed. Whilst her condition was managed, they still had trouble communicating and understanding, at least from Gerard’s point of view, what this was and how they would get through it,” he said.
“They decided together they needed further income and they decided on a career in real estate.”
He said the pair joined Raine and Horne at Kenmore and their second daughter was born on the 16th December, 2003.
Mr Byrne said the accused would tell the jury he finished work by 5pm, in time for “the happy hour” to help feed and bathe his children.
He said he opened the Century 21 office after purchasing a franchise.
“Being his own boss, if you like, was the best way for him to manage that,” he said.
Mr Byrne said in the first year of business, the accused’s business won an award.
“Things were going forward from strength to strength but the relationship with Allison was not. If anything, it was deteriorating,” he said.
He said the accused would tell the jury he took one of his daughter’s to meetings, communication was strained and their love life was “non-existent”.
“Allison was suffering, he’ll tell you, from two things: increased libido and weight gain. Both not unknown side-effects from using the drug Zoloft. From this they maintained the outer image of being a normal couple, nothing wrong between them … despite that scenario he will tell you Allison started to desperately want another child,” he said.
“He again will tell you that he didn’t think that was a good idea because of the way things were between them. She wanted, he’ll say, to give her a son. There were no male Baden-Clay’s in the family and she wanted to do that.
“He didn’t go on, he didn’t accept that, Allison became more depressed and Gerard will tell you that in that context and in that background, he had an affair with a person called Michelle Hammond.”
Mr Byrne said the accused would tell the jury he was “ashamed” of himself and got out of it and agreed to try for another child with his wife.
He said his wife was excited about the pregnancy and “things were looking up”.
Mr Byrne said that during the third trimester, Ms Baden-Clay became anxious and she went back to see Dr George.
He said the couple’s third child, a girl, was born on September 15, 2006.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
Mr Byrne said Ms Baden-Clay suffered a miscarriage at the end of 2002.
“That did not help her with depression and the ongoing panic attacks. Nevertheless, Allison wanted to have another child and they were both very happy when she fell pregnant (with their second daughter) who was due before Christmas, 2003,” he said.
He said Ms Baden-Clay’s episodes had continued and for the first time in 2003, saw psychiatrist Dr Tom George and was diagnosed with depression, anxiety and “transient suicidal thoughts”.
Mr Byrne said Ms Baden-Clay continued to see Dr George, often with the accused.
“Clearly he had no concept that this was something that was a medical, chemical imbalance. You can understand a miscarriage, or something giving rise to mood swings but he at that stage had not put together that this was a medical condition,” he said.
Mr Byrne said there were relapse episodes but Zoloft “evened out” the effects and helped to stabilise her mood.
“It meant she was rather flat but certainly not depressed. Whilst her condition was managed, they still had trouble communicating and understanding, at least from Gerard’s point of view, what this was and how they would get through it,” he said.
“They decided together they needed further income and they decided on a career in real estate.”
He said the pair joined Raine and Horne at Kenmore and their second daughter was born on the 16th December, 2003.
Mr Byrne said the accused would tell the jury he finished work by 5pm, in time for “the happy hour” to help feed and bathe his children.
He said he opened the Century 21 office after purchasing a franchise.
“Being his own boss, if you like, was the best way for him to manage that,” he said.
Mr Byrne said in the first year of business, the accused’s business won an award.
“Things were going forward from strength to strength but the relationship with Allison was not. If anything, it was deteriorating,” he said.
He said the accused would tell the jury he took one of his daughter’s to meetings, communication was strained and their love life was “non-existent”.
“Allison was suffering, he’ll tell you, from two things: increased libido and weight gain. Both not unknown side-effects from using the drug Zoloft. From this they maintained the outer image of being a normal couple, nothing wrong between them … despite that scenario he will tell you Allison started to desperately want another child,” he said.
“He again will tell you that he didn’t think that was a good idea because of the way things were between them. She wanted, he’ll say, to give her a son. There were no male Baden-Clay’s in the family and she wanted to do that.
“He didn’t go on, he didn’t accept that, Allison became more depressed and Gerard will tell you that in that context and in that background, he had an affair with a person called Michelle Hammond.”
Mr Byrne said the accused would tell the jury he was “ashamed” of himself and got out of it and agreed to try for another child with his wife.
He said his wife was excited about the pregnancy and “things were looking up”.
Mr Byrne said that during the third trimester, Ms Baden-Clay became anxious and she went back to see Dr George.
He said the couple’s third child, a girl, was born on September 15, 2006.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
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They had three children, their relationship had survived and business was going well. They were, in fact, comfortable financially,” he said.
“Gerard had a vision. He wanted not to have one agency but to have a number and he felt he had the ability and the skills to do that. To do that he needed to, he felt expand and one way of doing that was to take on partners in the business,” he said.
Mr Byrne said the accused was impressed by an employee of his called Phil Broome.
He said that the company was rated one of BRW’s Top 100 fast starters in Australia and Baden-Clay and Mr Broom went 50-50 in the company in 2008.
He said a woman called Jocelyn Frost joined the business and as joint partners, Mr Broome and Ms Frost each paid in $25,000.
“Professionally things continued on the up. On the home front, they did not. Gerard will tell you he’d been counselling some of his own staff, as a manager often does, about their own problems and their own relationships and personal issues.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
“Gerard had a vision. He wanted not to have one agency but to have a number and he felt he had the ability and the skills to do that. To do that he needed to, he felt expand and one way of doing that was to take on partners in the business,” he said.
Mr Byrne said the accused was impressed by an employee of his called Phil Broome.
He said that the company was rated one of BRW’s Top 100 fast starters in Australia and Baden-Clay and Mr Broom went 50-50 in the company in 2008.
He said a woman called Jocelyn Frost joined the business and as joint partners, Mr Broome and Ms Frost each paid in $25,000.
“Professionally things continued on the up. On the home front, they did not. Gerard will tell you he’d been counselling some of his own staff, as a manager often does, about their own problems and their own relationships and personal issues.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
I would imagine that doesn't include is the Lexus which would belong to the comp[any & of course his business credit card
Just lucky I'm not on the jury at this point. The only thing I'd be questioning are his scratches.
Are there blood test records for ABC : low potassium causes same side effects : chest sensation, fainting and/or passing out (whether sitting, driving, etc)
Low potassium caused by sweating, diahorrea, low dietary uptake, too much alcohol : all likely on a once in a lifetime trek around South America IMO
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One of those persons was Toni McHugh. In the course of that, as you’ve heard, they developed a closeness and by the end of August, 2008 it had turned into a physical relationship.
“Gerard doesn’t flinch from this. He won’t say he was ever proud of it but what he will tell you is that after the relationship and the problems that had been present with Allison, he found himself being flattered, appreciated and acknowledged.
“Again, he’ll be frank and say he enjoyed the physical relationship.”
Mr Byrne said that was one side of the relationship, but the other was guilt.
He said the affair continued as sex when Ms McHugh decided to leave her husband.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
“Gerard doesn’t flinch from this. He won’t say he was ever proud of it but what he will tell you is that after the relationship and the problems that had been present with Allison, he found himself being flattered, appreciated and acknowledged.
“Again, he’ll be frank and say he enjoyed the physical relationship.”
Mr Byrne said that was one side of the relationship, but the other was guilt.
He said the affair continued as sex when Ms McHugh decided to leave her husband.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-allison-in-2012/story-fnihsrf2-1226966924597
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That's exactly my thoughts too.
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · now
Byrne says Gerard told them he'd had an affair and Toni wouldn't be returning. Says Gerard was relieved it was in the open. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard even told the school principal he'd had an affair but was "back with his wife". #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard told them he'd had an affair and Toni wouldn't be returning. Says Gerard was relieved it was in the open. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard even told the school principal he'd had an affair but was "back with his wife". #badenclay
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Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 37s
Gerard #badenclay broke up with his mistress in Sept 2011, McHugh called him a "lowlife", accused him of using her for three years.
What did she expect? He's having an affair FFS. Clearly not a saint!
Gerard #badenclay broke up with his mistress in Sept 2011, McHugh called him a "lowlife", accused him of using her for three years.
What did she expect? He's having an affair FFS. Clearly not a saint!
My thoughts exactly! All about the facade rather than something modest but real.
I also loved how he only got the Lexus to "match his business partner, Phill Broom" Good grief! :facepalm:
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David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 30s
He went and told the principal of the school he had an affair, was back with his wife - defence #badenclay
It's like he's admitting he's some kind of stud or something. jmho
He went and told the principal of the school he had an affair, was back with his wife - defence #badenclay
It's like he's admitting he's some kind of stud or something. jmho
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12:50pm: Mr Byrne said financial difficulties began to emerge in Mr Baden-Clay's real estate business during its expansion.
"In respect to the home front, Gerard will tell you he was still with Allison, he cared for her deeply and between the two of them it had become a bit easier, they had a routine each week," Mr Byrne said.
"Things weren't still going well on a physical level with Allison and Gerard will tell you he went to a conference in Sydney and he had a brief but sexual relationship there with a woman by the name of Jackie Crane. Again, he'll tell you it's something he's not proud of, but it happened. And it was, to him, not a commitment, it was a physical relationship.
"Over Christmas of 2010 the business moved with a full sales team of about 25 people. As you would know, what happened at that time, was the floods. It was a cruel, untimely and rather devastating event for a new, heavily-staffed real estate agency.
"The financial situation wasn't getting better, it was going down. Phil Broome felt the pressure so much, he sold half of the rent roll to Jocelyn [Frost]. He hadn't told Gerard about that until after.
"Phil and Jocelyn wanted to sack all the staff and put the business into receivership ...
"That's when he spoke to his friends. Rob Cheesman, Stuart Christ and Peter Cranner. Two of those people were qualified accountants and the other was the director of a company."
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-11-week-3-20140626-3aumz.html#ixzz35i5TDURL
"In respect to the home front, Gerard will tell you he was still with Allison, he cared for her deeply and between the two of them it had become a bit easier, they had a routine each week," Mr Byrne said.
"Things weren't still going well on a physical level with Allison and Gerard will tell you he went to a conference in Sydney and he had a brief but sexual relationship there with a woman by the name of Jackie Crane. Again, he'll tell you it's something he's not proud of, but it happened. And it was, to him, not a commitment, it was a physical relationship.
"Over Christmas of 2010 the business moved with a full sales team of about 25 people. As you would know, what happened at that time, was the floods. It was a cruel, untimely and rather devastating event for a new, heavily-staffed real estate agency.
"The financial situation wasn't getting better, it was going down. Phil Broome felt the pressure so much, he sold half of the rent roll to Jocelyn [Frost]. He hadn't told Gerard about that until after.
"Phil and Jocelyn wanted to sack all the staff and put the business into receivership ...
"That's when he spoke to his friends. Rob Cheesman, Stuart Christ and Peter Cranner. Two of those people were qualified accountants and the other was the director of a company."
Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-11-week-3-20140626-3aumz.html#ixzz35i5TDURL
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David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 24s
Allison laid down ground rules: no contact with Toni #badenclay
David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 32s
Allison didn't tell family and friends - #badenclay
Allison laid down ground rules: no contact with Toni #badenclay
David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 32s
Allison didn't tell family and friends - #badenclay
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Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 14s
Byrne says Allison told Gerard if he was willing to recommit to the relationship, she would as well. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard had no communication with Toni until Christmas. #badenclay
Byrne says Allison told Gerard if he was willing to recommit to the relationship, she would as well. #badenclay
Byrne says Gerard had no communication with Toni until Christmas. #badenclay
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'Please keep your voice down Mr Byrne':floorlaugh:
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