The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

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  1. Amee

    Amee Active Member

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    12:22pm: Mr Byrne asked Dr Robertson to comment on the adverse affects of the anti-depressent drug Zoloft of which the active component in the Serotonin.

    Dr Robertson said elevated levels of Serotonin could cause "Seratonin toxicity" or "Serotonin syndrome" in patients.

    "When you get too much of this drug you can get cases of more profound confusion, increased agitation, unusual behaviours ... elevated temperatures," he said.

    Dr Robertson said the drug could promote "suicide ideation" in people using the medication.

    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-14-week-4-20140702-3b76w.html#ixzz36H3YITLZ
     


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    Again, sticking to the script of Allison going for a walk.
     
  3. Amee

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    Katrina Blowers ‏@katrinablowers 44s

    The toxicologist says the 'syndrome' he mentioned earlier, often body adjusting to new drug. #badenclay @7NewsBrisbane

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 43s

    Fuller says changes after death can affect drug levels. Dr Robertson agrees #badenclay

    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 1m

    He agrees that death can affect the way the levels appear in the body #badenclay
     
  4. Timmy

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    ...and pull her jumper up over her head!
     
  5. Her Honour

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    Thanks for answering my question in advance, JK.

    Thanks Khemistry, b.bye!
     
  6. Amee

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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 42s

    He says 'post mortem re-distribution' refers to the way the levels move around after death #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 40s

    Dr Robertson says concentrations will increase in central region of the body more so than peripheral, ie legs. #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 47s

    Dr Robertson says the study he referred to doesn't talk about how long the people had been deceased. #badenclay

    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 45s

    The position of the body can also make a difference #badenclay
     
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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 21s

    Chemicals in the blood can end up back in the liver, for example #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 41s

    Dr Robertson says another study dealt with people who had been dead 24 to 48 hours. #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 45s

    Dr Robertson agrees the people in that study had 20-fold concentrations in liver after 24/48 hrs. Allison's liver was 10-fold. #badenclay
     
  10. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    Gotcha - overdose theory gone - KERPOWWW!
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 30s

    Dr Robertson says broadly speaking, Sertraline is considered low toxicity. #badenclay
     
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    Correlation factor. Do depressed people not on anti-depressants have a higher suicide rate than depressed people taking anti-depressants. Isn't it a function of depression rather than a function of ant-depressants?
     
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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 35s

    He agrees that the drug taken by Allison - Zoloft - is low toxicity #badenclay
     
  14. Tishy

    Tishy Liar, liar, pants on fire

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    You'd have to wonder why they even bothered to have this bloke up there
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 41s

    Dr Robertson agrees the levels of Sertraline in Allison's liver are not consistent with an acute overdose leading to death. #badenclay

    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 20s

    It is also difficult to die from a Zoloft overdose #badenclay
     
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    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    Methinks Michael Byrne QC, as good as he may be, simply did NOT understand the significance of the sertraline levels, liver concentrations, and post-mortem redistribution.

    But we did... ;) And so did the prosecution.
     
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    Oh god - I really hope they're forced to differentiate between liver and peripheral blood levels...
     
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    hard to believe that Alison would kill herself.. she had it made, if Gerard is to be believed.. he did the ironing, put the kids to bed, sang to them, did the cooking, cleaned out the cupboards, organised her insurance policies, started up a business , prominent in the community, a scout, an advisor, a counsellor, a sex expert, a psychologist, an accountant, irresistible , wealthy friends, helpful mum and Dad and sister, bon vivant and traveller, excellent driver, mechanic, computer expert, placatory in the extreme, good looking, never smells, a listener, ....
     
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    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 28s

    Defence expert Dr Robertson says levels of Sertraline in liver of Allison #badenclay were not consistent with acute deadly overdose

    Katrina Blowers ‏@katrinablowers 49s

    Toxicologist says sertraline levels in Allison #badenclay 's liver not consistent with acute overdose leading to death. @7NewsBrisbane

    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 41s

    Dr Robertson says he can't completely explain the elevated levels of drug in some parts of Allison's body. #badenclay

    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 49s

    The doctor agrees that he cannot explain the elevated levels of Zoloft in Allison's system #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 27s

    Dr Robertson agrees the levels in Allison's body are not consistent with Sertraline related deaths. #badenclay

    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 40s

    It may well be caused by the decomposition of her body #badenclay
     
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    I think Dr Robertson is just a waste of Tax payers money !
     
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