The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    A friend of mine IS a Forensic Psychiatrist who DOES work in the prison system. And their opinion of GBC is not suitable or appropriate for me to post here. :tantrum:
     


  2. Zorro

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    The evidence is in. The strength of our legal system is the jury who are people just like you and me. They don't have any special skill or ability that you or I don't possess. They have to try and ensure an innocent person is not sent to the gallows and a guilty person is not set free.

    Allison is dead and all expert evidence and logic tells them she didn't commit suicide and died sometime in the night. Not from injury or poison or drowning. She most likely died from lack of air as no other cause is apparent. Her phone is missing and could tell more about her last hours if it wasn't lost somewhere.

    Expert evidence is that her hair had a lot of leaves in it from 6 plants that grow around her back patio and her blood was in the back of the family car.

    Her own journal and her community and work activity suggests she wasn't incapacitated with depression, she was on the ball and trying to resurrect a failing marriage and floundering business working for no salary.

    Her husband probably was the last person to see her alive and he had scratches that experts say are not caused by a razor and are consistent with fingernails. Seven men on the jury have shaved 20 times each during the course of the trial and some have probably deliberately tried to cut themselves.

    Her husband had opportunity and motive and marks of a struggle on him. He tried to cover scratches with razor cuts and chest bruising with a feigned car crash. He is proven untruthful and lacking integrity. He had no love or loyalty for his wife.

    Allison is dead. Somebody killed her. Was some other person responsible? If so how did her husband get injured?

    I think it is beyond reasonable doubt that her husband killed her.
     
  3. Trooper

    Trooper Well-Known Member

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    and when Gerards psychologist takes the stand to argue Gerards case for being sent to a farm prison, or the possibility of early parole, bring a packed lunch......

    it will be more fun than a circus... a very necessary moment of levity in a long series of horror and viciousness and cruelty , done so casually and so persistently...
     
  4. UnfoldingTruth

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    Of course I understand you can't. but it would be very interesting actually to hear a professionals opinion on GBC. (I am not asking you to spill by the way- Would just find it very interesting)
     
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    He did whatif! Thank you for reassuring me that I'm remembering correctly. NBC definitely said that right?
     
  6. Fuskier

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    Agree. This would need a team to assess IMO - like Oscar Pistorius.
     
  7. louisepiglet

    louisepiglet Well-Known Member

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    How about too that she wasn't found slumped over on the couch, in bed, or in Brookfield. That she was FOUND 14 KM OR SO AWAY!!! That she didn't get there by car. That she could not realistically have walked all that distance to sit under a bridge and take pills. That she wouldn't have walked all those hours and not been seen. That she wouldn't have walked all those hours and not changed her mind somewhere along the way because of her daughters. She did not take pills then manage to walk that distance without being seen and then just quietly die in Kholo creek. She did not walk all that way to Kholo creek and take pills No way![/QUOTE]

    I had a family member who committed suicide. He told people that he wanted to "just jump of a cliff". And he did. He drove to the nearest cliff and jumped. It was close to his home but he still drove. And they found his car there.
    During the time he was missing his wife was in a fog of worry and did not participate in work or life in general. She was just in limbo. It was so awful.
    GBC did not act like she did in the least. I know people react differently, but, come on. He was at work whilst his wife was still missing. His place was with his children.
     
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    :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
  9. BJsleuth

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    I still think it could go either way though. Depending on how the jury look at the evidence. If they look at it as a whole, his goose is cooked, complete with coulis and micro salad. If they consider each piece separately, allowing for explanations, that goose isnt even caught yet.
     
  10. Trooper

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    my tame psychiatrist is of the opinion that it is impossible that his family haven't had a whole lifetime cleaning up after Gerald, in one form or another.. that they are completely aware of his disturbed mind and have been in the process of diminishing the effects of Geralds actions since forever....
     
  11. Freya1977

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    Ego, and also I think to make the whole "Toni" situation seem insignificant. He didn't care about her, he had LOADS of women for sex, many consecutively! As if he'd kill his wife because of Toni. Pffffffffffffff.
     
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    and don't forget the monitor downstairs he ostensibly installed so he could instantly appear should Allison require him.
    One would think he could just tell Allison to text him if he was too far away to be heard, but then he wouldn't be able to hear anything she did or anyone she called.
     
  13. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    Let's just say that my friend would NOT have made it as an expert witness for the defence.... :blushing:
     
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    I'm thinking what Christopher Pyne denied saying in Question Time!
     
  15. JK673

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    That's ok....keep the story for when we all meet at indooroopilly Maccas Cafe.....
     
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    Just want to say another big thanks to those taking care of the tweets today- and throughout the trial. I have spent too long here again today being glued to what was coming out of that courtroom. Long wait until Monday- but I guess we all get a bit of a break from the intensity a little until then. I know my brain needs a break right now. So on that note, I'm signing off for now.:seeya:
     
  18. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    That statement alone concerns me. Bully men say to their wives 'if you go you are not taking the children'. That is a power play because they know the mother wouldn't leave without her children.
     
  19. Trooper

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    I cannot quite get to a conclusion as to who's benefit that throwaway remark was directed to.. it couldn't be the jury, it couldn't be the judge, it couldn't be for his family, it couldn't be for the prosecutor.. it couldn't be for his defence lawyers..

    it couldn't be for Toni.. it certainly couldn't be for his children's benefit,


    there is only one person left who that could possibly be seen as interested and at ease with it, and that's Gerard... but even then.. its about as nutso a moment in the trial to eclipse all others..
     
  20. DrWatson

    DrWatson Verified Thoracic and Vascular Surgeon

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    Done deal :)
     
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