The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 2nd July - Trial Day 14, Week 3

Discussion in 'Allison Baden-Clay of Australia' started by marlywings, Jun 3, 2014.

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  1. JK673

    JK673 New Member

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    Of course newbies can come.
     
  2. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    A big case in NZ was Clayton Weatherston who claimed provocation when he killed Sophie Elliott.
    http://murderpedia.org/male.W/w/weatherston-clayton.htm

    Provocation has since been removed as a defence in NZ.
     
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    JCB I have appreciated your views over the course of the trial. You seemed quite dismayed when the defendant took the stand and you seemed to think this would be a bad thing for the prosecution. What are your thoughts after how the last 24 hours have transpired? I always enjoy reading your posts (even if they make me worried!) :)
     
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    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    It won't be hard to guess mine as soon as I open my mouth you will notice.:blushing:
     
  5. linette

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    Yes, because people always remember where they were and what they were doing when something significant happens. Something like your partners body being found should stand above all else... well, to your average caring person.
     
  6. Timmy

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    But you could be kiwi50.
     
  7. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    Yes, I have thought the same thing Cattail, about the jurors. and I totally agree about the lack of GOTCHA moments. overall i think you're spot-on. My onyl tendency to think it will still be a guilty of manslaughter verdict, or even guilty of murder, is that I still think it is quite possible that the jury will have never fallen for GBC's ramblings, and seen that he is a lying cheating type of person, and then at the end of the day there are only a few pieces of key evidence they have to be assured of to believe he is guilty.

    I sometimes wonder that because I am so passionate about this case and now GBC's guilt, that my fear of him getting off is so strong that i can't be objective about what the jury might think. I tend to lean towards thinking they are not going to be as certain as I am, because as you say they haven't had the same length of time and attention to detail that we have had here, especially the old-timers.

    What I think will be interesting is how long the jury is out to consider their verdict. If it is a very short time I will feel a bit more confident.
     
  8. laserdisc10

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    Oh well, at least he remembered to contact the insurance people
     
  9. Jo04

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    I'm still feeling uneasy about this. In my mind it's beyond reasonable doubt that Gerard is a compulsive liar that doesn't take responsibility for his actions. I have beyond reasonable doubt that he was in dire financial stress. I have beyond reasonable doubt that he was at a minimum emotionally abusive toward Allison, adding to her depressive state at times.I have beyond reasonable doubt that he did not do all the home duties that he said he did otherwise school run that morning would've not been so stressful. I have beyond reasonable doubt the gouges on his face came from fingernails and if the DNA was complete from under Allison's fingers nails would've been his DNA. I have beyond reasonable doubt the leaf matter from her hair was from their yard.

    I do believe he did get bitten on the neck by an insect, I do believe he may have cut his palm with a screw driver but the rest of those injuries I believe we're cause by Allison. There has been no other reasonable explanation in my opinion for them except for violence. I just hope the jury see it that way too. There may not be physical evidence to how he killed her but there is a lot of little things that point to one conclusion. He killed Allison! Today my son turned 6. Also mourning the death of my best friends daughter 12 who sadly passed by partial hanging in her bedroom 2 yrs ago. No warning, no note. :(


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  10. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    I think it was the middle child who had the arms crossed, or was it all of them? But yes, their was definite concerning body language, in relation to their Dad, from at least one.
     
  11. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    Very true
     
  12. steadan

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    like where you were when Kieran Perkins won his medal !!!!!!!
     
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    OK Kiwijayne... but no keys in bowls :floorlaugh:
     
  14. BatWoman

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    This is eerily similar to my ex. I had to leave the car at home for him in case he needed to drive up the block for cigarettes during the day, while i had to take 2 babies on the bus to daycare and work (they both have adhd/asd just to make it more fun). Buses then didnt allow strollers so it was not easy juggling babies and folding up strollers while carrying their bags, my laptop and my bag.

    It's really not an easy decision to leave a marriage when you have young kids but the biggest reason i had was that I didn't want the kids to have this jerk as a role model and think that his behaviour was OK. It wasn't easy kicking him out, but life became much easier not having that 3rd demanding child around. If anyone is going through this please consider that in some cases it's not the best for your kids to have a nuclear family, but a stable family. Yes you have to deal with custody issues and it can be difficult for the kids being treated as pawns, (especially when he went on to marry the woman with borderline personality disorder, I'm glad that failed) but I have a great relationship with my kids that I probably wouldn't have been able to have if i was still having to put him first.

    I think so many of us can relate to Allison and it makes this case personal.
     
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    He has probably never thought of it that way.:what: ... from anyone else's point of view but his own.
     
  16. itsthevibe

    itsthevibe Verified insider - Allison Baden-Clay case

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    But this assumes he is telling the truth. Cant the judge instruct them that if they choose not to believe that he is telling the truth and that they also choose not to accept the motive of the money/insurance/moving in with lover, that they can say he is guilty of manslaughter if they believe it was a fight about the conference or mistress or whatever, which went wrong and he went into a rage and killed her, unplanned and independent of any financial issues.

    Hoping alioop will be here later to give a Verified Expert view.
     
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    Whaddya mean? You mean nobody told him he had to say anything OFF script?
    Ooooh!
    Lateral thinking required? Er um, who gives you lateral thinking? Or is that bought? Or is that what Daddy and Mummy supply just because?
    Big word here ...... Gives.
     
  18. laserdisc10

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    If I were a jury member (as we all are, unofficially) I'd see a person charged with murder

    No-one else has been mentioned as having a motive

    The victim was discovered many kilometres from her home

    The victim had made plans for the day ahead

    The victim had three young children

    The accused murderer had borrowed from all and sundry and was still begging for more

    The accused was admittedly unfaithful to the victim and lied to her throughout many years

    The accused comes across as a bottom

    The accused was the last to see the victim

    The accused tells a laughable explanation for the canyons in his face and other marks and bruises

    None of the expert witnesses have convinced the victim killed or transported herself

    The accused stands to gain over a million dollars insurance via the death of the victim

    The victim sounds just like jury members' nasty young cousin or neighbour's kid and thinks his po-faced whining and self-promotion will win my vote

    As a jury member, I'd find the <modsnip> guilty on all charges and I'd believe I'd done a good days work
     
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    Thanks Liadan. There's no rush.
     
  20. MadDoc

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    He certainly remembered in great detail where he was when Princess Diana died, and when Kieran Perkins won gold at the Olympics.
     
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