The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 7th July - Trial Day 15

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  1. Amee

    Amee Active Member

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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 27s

    She felt fragile when she saw the mistress, Toni McHugh's, car at the gym #badenclay
     


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    Where in the catchment were all those leaves that match the ones in her hair? The botanist walked a fair way along the creek bed looking for them. She can't have come down the catchment for kms and kms or her body would have been caught up on the creek bed/edge further up where the creek flow thins out.

    I have to say reading a lot of what they say you wish you could be the prosecution because there are so many retorts back at the defence and I don't know if the prosecution will catch them and remember to retort them all.
     
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    Being in despair would be a normal reaction in her situation
     
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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 39s

    The defence says evidence about Allison's mental state is important #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne says Allison discussed "flashbacks" with Dr Nutting. Flashbacks were of "Gerard's girlfriend's car at the gym". #badenclay

    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 1m
    Defence's Byrne tells of counsellor Dr Nutting's evidence. Nutting said Allison thought she was a bad wife, struggling as mother #badenclay
    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Defence barrister Michael Byrne is now going through Allison's sessions with psychologist Dr Rosamond Nutting #badenclay
    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 52s
    Allison was experiencing flashbacks - defence #badenclay

    All yours again FREYA please, I will continue with Kate

     
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    Some of this stuff is really upsetting to read. What mother/wife hasn't at one time or another claimed to be doing a bad job and struggling to get through the days. To think Allison's own words could be used against her in this way is horrible.
     
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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 51s

    Also important is evidence from the Relationships Australia counsellor, who saw Gerard, Allison, and the two of them together #badenclay


    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 27s

    This counsellor did not know that Allison had a lengthy history of depression #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne says Dr Nutting didn't want to discuss flashbacks with Allison and Gerard together. She thought it would be bad for her. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne now moved to evidence of Relationships Australia counsellor Carmel Ritchie. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 52s
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie made no enquiries about any diagnosis that Allison had. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 37s
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie made no enquiries about Allison having a major, recurring depressive disorder. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 28s
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie made no enquiries about medication, about "flashbacks". #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 20s
    Byrne says Allison defined her problem with Gerard as feeling "inadequate" and "not good enough". #badenclay
     
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    Caroline Overington ‏@overingtonc 31s

    The counsellor understood that the affair was the reason that Allison sought help for the marriage #badenclay
     
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    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 1m
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie didn't know about Allison's depression or anxiety. Knew she had been on Zoloft, an anti-depressant, in past #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 2m
    Ms Ritchie made no inquiries about any diagnosis Allison had - defence #badenclay
    Ms Ritchie noted Allison was a conflict avoider - defence #badenclay


    Thanks for taking over while I was gone JK!
     
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    4:05pm: Mr Byrne has turned his attention to Mrs Baden-Clay's history with depression and anxiety.

    He recalled the evidence of forensic psychiatrist Dr Mark Schramm.

    "One could imagine that the stress association wit the problems in the marriage could have contributed to thoughts of suicide. One could imagine that even though she'd learnt about that, I understand, some time beforehand, that those wounds may have become more raw upon visiting the Relationships Australia counsellor. So I don't I can confidently say there's nothing in the notes that I've seen to suggest that she might be a risk," Dr Schramm said.

    Mr Baden-Clay had been with his wife Allison to see Relationships Australia counsellor Carmel Ritchie on April 16, 2012, to discuss his infidelity.


    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-15-week-5-20140707-3bhb6.html#ixzz36lC088hL
     
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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 2m
    Ms Ritchie noted Allison was a conflict avoider - defence #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 2m
    Ms Ritchie made no inquiries about any diagnosis Allison had - defence #badenclay

    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 2m
    Evidence of Carmel Ritchie, marriage counsellor, now being discussed by barrister Michael Byrne for Gerard #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Relationships Australia counsellor made no inquiries about medication Allison was on - defence #badenclay

    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 2m
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie didn't know about Allison's depression or anxiety. Knew she had been on Zoloft, an anti-depressant, in past #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Counsellor asked Allison to define her problem, she said inadequate, not good enough - defence #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Without knowing her medical background, Ms Ritchie recommended 15 minute venting sessions - defence #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 51s
    Ms Ritchie said it was a one way street, Gerard supposed to listen - defence #badenclay

    FREYA??

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne says against that background, she recommended Gerard and Allison speak for 10 to 15 minutes every second night. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie said Gerard's role should have been to listen and listen only. #badenclay

    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 1m
    Byrne says Ms Ritchie said she did not see it as a question and answer session. #badenclay
     
  13. Freya1977

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    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 21s
    Byrne on affair talk between Baden-Clays: "Ms Ritchie saw it as a one-way street, perhaps a venting of Allison towards Gerard." #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Ms Ritchie said it was a one way street, Gerard supposed to listen - defence #badenclay
     
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    So! Allison goes for a walk at 6am, walks 14 kms, throws herself off a bridge, doesn't break anything, doesn't drown. And no-one saw her walk all that way. 14kms at a brisk walk would take at least 3-4 hours on the flat. Out that way there are so many hills she would have been walking for at least 5 hours, yet no-one saw her. Not even when they were searching for her at 8am? Great Defence Byrne. Far out.
     
  15. Freya1977

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    Got em JK!!
     
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    No worreis Freya

    :)

    CHeers
     
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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 48s
    Ms Ritchie didn't see the sessions as being for Qs & As, but failed to give advice on this to Allison and Gerard #badenclay

    Sarah Elks ‏@sarahelks 45s
    Byrne said marriage counsellor didn't know Allison had major depression, was on 100mg of anti-depressant Zoloft a day #badenclay
     
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    hahaha - gotcha

    Hard to refresh when copying tweets
     
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    No worries, they get outta control!
     
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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Defence barrister Michael Byrne is criticising Relationships Australia counselling session and advice to Gerard and Allison #badenclay
     
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