The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 8th July - Trial Day 16

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    Oh WOW it is too. That is a classic. It HAS to relate to the case... especially with the shaving cream particularly targeted on the letter 'G'.
     


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    Tweet List in order so far - These have been posted on the thread from the Re-Tweet Websleuths Team today.


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    DAY 16 TWEETS COMMENCE


    Gerard is in court, ready for trial day 16 #badenclay @couriermail
    Gerard is in court, ready for trial day 16 #badenclay @couriermail
    We're in court for day 16 of the Baden-Clay trial. We'll hear the end of the defence closing argument this morning. @couriermail
    The jury has entered the court. Gerard Baden-Clay, defence and prosecution all waiting for the judge to enter.
    The jury has entered the court. Gerard Baden-Clay, defence and prosecution all waiting for the judge to enter.
    The judge is telling the jury they won't be sequestered. Up to them if they want to deliberate on Fridays and weekends. #badenclay
    Michael Byrne QC is on his feet continuing his closing argument. #badenclay
    Byrne is discussing Gerard's evidence. #badenclay
    Byrne says a person charged with a crime is not under obligation to give evidence. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard spent some period explaining his life with Allison, their relationship, their problems. #badenclay
    Byrne: You might think that he didn't hold back. #badenclay
    Byrne says if the jury thinks Gerard's evidence is credible and reliable, they have to find him not guilty of murder. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard has denied killing his wife, denied dumping her body, denied leaving his girls home alone to do so. #badenclay


    Byrne says if they think his evidence was not convincing, but left them in doubt as to what happened, he is still not guilty. #badenclay
    You might think he didn't hold back when he spoke about the evidence and his own foibles - defence #badenclay
    Prosecution case does not prove guilt - defence #badenclay
    He has under oath denied killing his wife, disposing his body, leaving his girls at the time - defence #badenclay
    He is entitled to give his account - defence #badenclay
    He is presumed to be innocence unless evidence overwhelms beyond reasonable doubt - defence #badenclay
    If you are left with a reasonable doubt it's your duty to acquit - defence #badenclay
    He didn't have to give evidence, he elected to, had to relive matters and exposed himself to cross - defence #badenclay
    Prosecutor, as expected to do, attacked Gerard - defence #badenclay
    Gerard wanted to tell you a detailed history - defence #badenclay
    Abhorrent he would leave those children alone in the night - defence #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard is presumed to be innocent. The Crown has to have proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard didn't have to give evidence. He elected to do so. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard exposed himself to cross examination, where he was attacked by prosecutor Todd Fuller. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard wanted to tell the jury a detailed history of his life. #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard's lapses were in respect to women "and keeping quiet about such liaisons". #badenclay
    Byrne: It's not something shared with family, it's not something shared with friends. #badenclay
    He was attacked for deceiving people about his liaisons and accepted he had - defence #badenclay
    But the deception was limited to affairs - defence #badenclay
    Gerard would not kill his wife in cold blood, temper would not explode, no history of that in his life - defence #badenclay
    Byrne says Gerard's only deception related to not broadcasting his "straying" particularly from his wife. #badenclay
    Byrne: He admitted all of that and you saw him speak to that. #badenclay
    Byrne: Gerard Baden-Clay is not a person who would cold bloodedly kill his wife and mother of his children.
    Byrne says Gerard is not the type of person to explode in temper. #badenclay
    Byrne says apart from Allison "slipping" back into depression and the birth of her male nephew, things were as they always were. #badenclay
    Byrne is urging the jury to pay attention to the details. #badenclay
    Byrne is urging the jury to think of the scenario of waking up to find their partner gone in their own lives. #badenclay
    Allison was slipping back into her recurrent depression, affected by birth of her nephew - defence #badenclay
    Gerard would not kill his wife in cold blood, temper would not explode, no history of that in his life - defence #badenclay
    Apart from that it was a normal time in the Baden-Clay household - defence #badenclay
    Pay attention to the little things - defence #badenclay
    Think if your own wife went missing in the morning, you'd go through a process - defence #badenclay

    He called police three times to get them involved, does not portray someone hiding - defence #badenclay
    Gerard told mistress Toni McHugh to just tell the truth, that's not a man who's recently killed his wife - defence #badenclay
    Police came to his house, he said they were doing their job - defence #badenclay
    He was trying to help them - defence #badenclay
    Byrne is detailing the phone calls Gerard made to police, to family and friends. #badenclay
    Byrne says this is not a person who is hiding, who violently murdered his wife the night before. #badenclay
    Byrne says they should consider one piece of evidence - Gerard telling Toni to tell police the truth. #badenclay
    Byrne says that is not someone who has just violently killed his wife. #badenclay
    Byrne says there are two possibilities. One is Gerard murdered his wife and dumped her body. #badenclay
    Byrne says second is Gerard was worried about his wife and expected her to be found at any moment. #badenclay
    Byrne says it is telling that Gerard on the morning of April 20 told police about the affair. #badenclay
    Byrne: If she was dead, and he knew she was dead, why would he care? Says Gerard had asked dad and sister to leave room. #badenclay
    Byrne says the jury must deliver a unanimous verdict. #badenclay
    He told the police he had an affair. Would only have done that if he thought she was returning - defence #badenclay
    Byrne: That does not in my submission betray to you someone who is hiding anything, someone who very recently killed their wife. @abcnews
    Gerard is sitting up straight in the dock, not moving as defence nears the end of closing argument #badenclay
    Byrne: says G #badenclay confessing of affair to police shows he expected Allison to walk through door, not that he murdered her. @abcnews
    Your duty is to ignore the media - defence #badenclay
    Some jurors looking at Michael Byrne, others looking down or away as he talks about media coverage #badenclay
    Byrne says the jury must make their decision on the evidence. #badenclay
    Byrne says the sensational media coverage has taken it to the "lowest common denominator". They must ignore it. #badenclay
    Byrne says the media coverage must be completely out of their contemplation. #badenclay
    Byrne says they have to ignore the publicity. Says the media haven't seen, heard and assessed each one of the witnesses. #badenclay
    Byrne says each member of the jury is in the best possible position to assess the evidence. #badenclay
    Byrne says the jury has seen the Kholo Creek bridge, they have walked through the house. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Todd Fuller flicking through paperwork ahead of his turn to give closing argument #badenclay
    Byrne to jury: You are the only ones who have gone to look at Kholo Creek, the bridge, the house. @abcnews
    Byrne says on all the evidence, they could not find Gerard guilty of murdering his wife. #badenclay
    Byrne says there is no cause of death, no realistic means of carrying it out. #badenclay
    Byrne says their verdict on the evidence must be not guilty. And he's done. #badenclay
    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 39s
    There are no realistic means of him doing what the prosecution alleges - defence #badenclay
    Your verdict on the evidence should be not guilty - defence barrister Michael Byrne QC finishes his closing argument #badenclay
    That's the defence done. Michael Byrne QC has taken his seat. #badenclay
    Todd Fuller QC begins final address to jury. @abcnews #badenclay
    Todd Fuller QC facing the jury, using his hands to make points as he begins #badenclay
    We've had a window into the lives of the Baden-Clays - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller: a trial is not a computer program putting data in. Because a trial is all about people. @abcnews #badenclay
    We've had a window into the lives of the Baden-Clays - Fuller #badenclay
    Apply your every day experience - Fuller #badenclay
    Todd Fuller is on his feet beginning his address to the jury. #badenclay
    Fuller says it is not unknown for a person of previous good character to step outside the character. #badenclay
    Fuller says we are programmed to have an expectation as to how someone should behave. #badenclay
    Fuller says we have all seen someone under pressure react in an unexpected way. #badenclay
    Fuller says the jurors are participating in a process to determine whether Gerard killed his wife. #badenclay
    Fuller: And if he did it with an intention to kill her. #badenclay
    Fuller says it's not about the mechanisms, it's about whether they are satisfied he did it. #badenclay
    Fuller says we make assessments of people every day. #badenclay
    Fuller says they apply their experiences, their knowledge of that person to make those decisions. #badenclay
    You make assessments of people every day, you decide beyond reasonable doubt every day - Fuller #badenclay
    Do you trust your doctor or follow the treatment they provide - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says a courtroom is an unofficial environment. They can't have a relationship with any of the people who come before them. #badenclay
    Fuller says they are restricted to what people say in the courtroom and how they say it. #badenclay
    This is different in that you are banned from having any knowledge of the people being assessed -
    Fuller says on the surface, the Baden-Clays appeared to be a perfect couple. But it was just a facade. #badenclay
    Fuller says they were two desperately unhappy people, for different reasons. #badenclay
    Gerard #badenclay is taking notes in the dock as the prosecution delivers closing argument. @7NewsBrisbane
    They seemed like the perfect couple. It was a facade - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller: To many of these witnesses the Baden-Clay's seemed like the perfect couple ... but it was just a facade. @abcnews #badenclay
    A woman trying to save her marriage. A man looking for a way out, living a double life - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison was a woman who battled for years to keep her marriage on track. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison was told the cruelest thing a woman can be told by her husband: I don't love you. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard would go home to his family, then slink back to his mistress. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard conducted an affair with a woman from the office, where his father worked. #badenclay
    Fuller says it shows the level of bravado and confidence Gerard can use to carry off deception. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard cried when he spoke of falling in love with Allison. #badenclay

    Fuller says what about his reaction when asked about the first time he told her he no longer loved her. #badenclay
    It was an ongoing deception. An affair in the office where his father worked. And not for the first time #badenclay
    Shows his level of bravado and confidence in what he could carry out - Fuller #badenclay
    He presented a number of faces - Fuller #badenclay
    The first half of the trial focused on the pressure on Allison - Fuller #badenclay
    Those pressures hadn't changed for years and she had been coping - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says the pressures on Allison hadn't changed for years. The pressures on Gerard had. #badenclay
    Fuller says the killing was the result of a set of circumstances accumulating over time. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard is a man who prided himself on his achievements. #badenclay
    But look at the change in pressures on Gerard, from his business and mistress - Fuller #badenclay
    He prided himself on his achievements - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says look at the difference between the answers Allison and Gerard gave to the counsellor when asked about themselves. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison said she was a wife and a mother. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard said he was the president of the chamber of commerce, etc. #badenclay
    Allison told counsellor she was a wife and a mother. Gerard cited his community involvement. Shows the difference - Fuller #badenclay
    Pathologist can't say how she died. You can't be expected to decide how - Fuller #badenclay
    You just need to decide he killed his wife and did it intentionally - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says the jury needs to decide whether Gerard killed his wife, if there was intent. #badenclay
    Fuller says nobody saw the killing, nobody has confessed. Means their case is circumstantial. #badenclay
    Fuller says "circumstantial case" is a much maligned term. But can be every bit as compelling. #badenclay
    People deride 'circumstantial' cases but they can be just as powerful or more so - Fuller #badenclay
    It's about the accumulation of evidence - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says the jury must look at the evidence as a whole and make a decision from that. #badenclay
    Fuller says there is a superficial attraction in looking at each piece of evidence. #badenclay
    Fuller says it is the context of everything each witness says they must look at. #badenclay
    It's all about the context of the evidence - Fuller #badenclay
    Yesterday the defence spoke about Allison being subdued at the hairdresser - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says yesterday afternoon defence spoke about Allison being stressed and subdued at the hairdresser. #badenclay
    Fuller says defence spoke of a psychiatrist who had never met Allison. #badenclay
    Defence presented a psychologist as a witness who had never seen Allison - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says defence claimed she was so depressed she'd gone walking into the night never to be seen again. #badenclay
    Fuller says in context, Allison was a general manager going to a major conference. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison had had a cold. Does that put things in context? #badenclay
    Fuller says the women at the office had told her to leave early for hairdressers, there'd been a crash, lots of traffic. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison had made a phone call to hairdressers to say she was going to be late. #badenclay
    Allison was going to a conference, appearance was important, had been to get her hair done before and wasn't happy - Fuller #badenclay
    She had been sick with a cold. She had been in traffic. Puts defence claims into context - Fuller #badenclay


    Fuller says defence asked them to look at things superficially. They were being led astray. #badenclay
    Fuller is talking about evidence of Amanda Reeves, DNA expert. #badenclay
    I want to talk about scientific certainty - Fuller #badenclay
    Fuller says Reeves told them statistically, the blood in the car belonged to Allison Baden-Clay.
    Fuller says the blood was found in Allison's car. The other people who used the car were DNA tested. The blood was not theirs. #badenclay
    Fuller says they had only owned that car for eight weeks. #badenclay
    We're having a short break. #badenclay

    Fuller on defence alternate death theory: When you put it in context, "you've been just led astray". #badenclay
    That's an example of how experts approach scientific certainty - Fuller
    A brief break
    Justice John Byrne asks the jury to consider sitting 9am to 4.30pm excluding weekends during verdict deliberations #badenclay
    The jury has returned to the courtroom. #badenclay
    The judge is asking the jury to contemplate sitting hours of 9am until 4.30pm excluding weekends. #badenclay
    Fuller is back on his feet. #badenclay
    Fuller asks the jury to contemplate the evidence through Gerard's eyes. #badenclay
    Fuller says the suggested trigger that Allison was upset over the birth of her nephew came six years after her last child. #badenclay
    Fuller says the affair might have been more on her mind than Gerard's brother having a baby boy. #badenclay
    Fuller tells the jury the pressures were building on Gerard, personal life and business. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Todd Fuller discussing defence suggestions Allison was disappointed about not having a son #badenclay
    Allison told her psychiatrist she was just worried for Gerard's sake - Fuller
    Fuller says the jury can safely conclude her body was dumped where it was found. Did not fall from bridge, did not wash up. #badenclay
    Fuller says the jury can safely conclude her body was dumped where it was found. Did not fall from bridge, did not wash up. #badenclay
    Fuller says her body was found 13km from home. Would have taken a considerable distance to walk it. #badenclay
    Fuller says both cars were at home. She either walked or was taken there by someone else - no evidence of that. #badenclay
    What does Allison tell us in death? - Fuller
    Her body was dumped where it was located, it did not wash up or fall from the bridge - Fuller
    It's 13km from her home, you've travelled that business - Fuller
    It's a 13 minute to 20 minute drive, longer to walk - Fuller
    Both the Baden-Clay cars are at home - Fuller
    She is a reluctant walker - Fuller
    Fuller says Allison was a reluctant exerciser. Do we have her walking that distance? #badenclay
    Fuller says even Gerard said Allison normally walked to avoid hills. #badenclay
    Fuller says she did not walk there to die, did not negotiate her way down to the creek bank. #badenclay
    Fuller says the police never found a single person who saw her walking. #badenclay
    Fuller says even kayakers have to negotiate pipes to go along the creek. #badenclay
    Fuller says the houses are some distance away from the Kholo Creek bridge. There is room to pull in a car. #badenclay

    Fuller is showing the jury pictures of the Kholo Creek bridge area. #badenclay
    Gerard tells us she doesn't like hills, yet she walks 13km to the bridge - Fuller
    She has not walked there to die - Fuller
    Even less likely if she put the phone on charge at 1.48am - Fuller
    Not a single sighting of Allison on the morning of the 20th - Fuller
    Court shown a photo of Kholo Creek bridge, with area for a car to stop
    Fuller tells the jury to be careful of the presumptions they make. #badenclay
    Fuller says the dark coloured Captiva less conspicuous than the white Prado with personalised plates. #badenclay
    Less suspicious in the Captiva then then white Prado - Fuller
    Fuller says Gerard had sold a house nearby. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard could have been at the bridge quickly in the middle of the night with no traffic. Ten, thirteen minutes. #badenclay
    Fuller says there have been significant changes to the bridge area since Allison's body was discovered. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing photographs taken on April 30, 2012. #badenclay
    He knows the area, has been involved in the sale of a property nearby - Fuller
    He needs somewhere to dispose the body - Fuller
    He has to balance time to dispose body with leaving his children for too long - Fuller
    There's been significant changes in the bridge area - Fuller
    Fuller says reviews of rainfall from April 19 - 30, 2012. Evening of April 27 to morning of 28 was the only rain. #badenclay
    Fuller: So where's the mud that's going to be there on April 19? #badenclay
    Fuller says there is no evidence that there would have been mud there at the time. #badenclay
    Fuller is now showing a picture of the underneath of the bridge. #badenclay
    There was rain 27 and 28 April, not on the 19th so where would the mud come from that the defence claims - Fuller
    Fuller is discussing the differences in the slope now to at the time. It's now been made steeper. #badenclay
    Fuller is talking about the officer who fell when they discovered Allison's body. #badenclay
    Fuller says he fell negotiating a different track. #badenclay
    Fuller suggests that the idea of mud dissipates under the bridge, where the rain doesn't reach. #badenclay
    Fuller: So don't be distracted by the mud. #badenclayKate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou • 18s
    Fuller says the officer didn't fall walking down or under the bridge. He fell in the mud by the water's edge, below the body. #badenclay
    Fuller says you can pull over on the right hand side of the bridge travelling from Brookfield. #badenclay
    Fuller says it hadn't rained. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing the court photographs of Allison's body. #badenclay
    Fuller: Her body was pushed off that ledge and ... fell to where she was. #badenclay
    Fuller says that's where she remained. #badenclay
    Todd Fuller QC says Allison's body was pushed off a ledge just above it
    Fuller says the positioning of Allison's arms and legs are consistent with her being rolled/pushed off the concrete ledge above. #badenclay
    Fuller says there was a dent in the mud after Allison's body was taken away. It remained even in August. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing a photograph of Allison taken from the ridge above. Shows the positioning of her arms and legs. #badenclay
    There is a dent underneath her body. The dent is still present in May and August 2012 – Fuller
    Gerard is looking down, appears to be taking notes, as photos of his wife's body are shown to the court
    There is no sign of disturbance around her body, to climb up - Fuller
    Fuller says they should be satisfied she didn't fall down there or negotiate her own way down. She didn't jump from the bridge. #badenclay
     
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    Astute officers...

    Inspector Ainsworth + Constable Ash = A class :)
     
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    Page 2 - up until lunch break:

    These have been posted on the thread from the Re-Tweet Websleuths Team today.

    Fuller says if Allison had fallen from the bridge and landed on the ground, she would have sustained serious injuries. #badenclay
    Pathologist told us she would have sustained substantial injuries if she fell from the bridge. She had none - Fuller
    Fuller says if Allison had fallen into a depth of water, she would have had to have washed up onto the bank. #badenclay
    Fuller says at best the water lapped up against her. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Fuller says Allison Baden-Clay was not suicidal, did not jump or fall in drug-induced confusion. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Todd Fuller: Allison Baden-Clay did not jump or fall. She was thrown down there, under the bridge. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison's body was clearly underneath the bridge, not next to it. #badenclay
    Fuller says she has not fallen from the bridge to end up in that position. #badenclay
    Fuller says the pathologist said Allison's body did not have the appearance of having been in the water. #badenclay
    Fuller says there would have been injuries from bumping into things as she is moved by the water. #badenclay
    Fuller is talking about the time lapse footage of the rise and fall of tides used by the defence. #badenclay
    Allison's body was underneath the bridge. She has not fallen from the bridge - Fuller
    Pathologist found she did not have the appearance of being in the water - Fuller
    Prosecutor - Allison did not fall or jump from the bridge to end in that position, unless her body's been carried by water #badenclay
    But prosecutor Todd Fuller reminds jury the expert pathologist said there was no evidence Allison's body had been in the water #badenclay
    The footage is misleading, one second equals up to 4500 seconds, don't be confused - Fuller
    Fuller says time lapse made it seem like debris was floating past quickly. Not so. The tide takes six hours to come in and out. #badenclay
    Fuller says it was not a constant forceful stream as it appeared in timelapse. #badenclay
    Fuller says pathologist said there were post mortem changes consistent with her being in the same position from soon after death. #badenclay
    Fuller says top half of body mummified, bottom half in mud putrified. #badenclay
    Body photos taken off the screen for now. Gerard has his head up. There are screens at his feet too
    Fuller says for Allison to have been washed up the creek, she would still have had to have made it 13km from home. #badenclay
    Fuller is referring to maps of the creek. #badenclay
    Fuller is now showing tide charts for the relevant dates. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing tide heights and times from the time the footage was taken for defence in June, 2014. #badenclayKate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou • 9s
    Fuller says that shows the folly of their footage. Tide heights were different. Topography was different. Water flows, etc. #badenclay
    Fuller says there was no markings in the footage to show where the body would have been. #badenclay
    Fuller says whether there was water lapping around her body wasn't the point. #badenclay
    Fuller says there had to have been enough water to make her bouyant, deposit her there and recede. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison's body was at the 1.5m mark. Tides fell below that mark during the relevant times. #badenclay
    Gerard has a notepad on his lap, pen in hand, listening to prosecutor detail why Allison's body didn't wash up on the bank
    Fuller says rainfall would only have affected the low tide. #badenclay
    Fuller says the jury can be confident the water never reached Allison's body. #badenclay
    Gerard has a notepad on his lap, pen in hand, listening to prosecutor detail why Allison's body didn't wash up on the bank #badenclay
    Fuller: You will conclude ... she was not in a depth of water. #badenclay
    Fuller says jury can be confident Allison's body was not in a depth of water that placed it, where it was found, under the bridge #badenclay
    Fuller says in that case, what does that exclude? #badenclay
    If her body had not been so decomposed pathologist might have been in a better position to determine - Fuller
    Prosecution: The fact the doctor can’t exclude it (Allison drowning) doesn’t mean the opposite is true.
    Prosecution: The fact the doctor can’t exclude it (Allison drowning) doesn’t mean the opposite is true. #badenclay @7NewsBrisbane
    Fuller says this trial is not about establishing a cause of death. #badenclay
    Fuller says if Allison's body had not been so decomposed, the pathologist would have been in a better position. #badenclay
    Fuller says the diatom expert (organisms in water) said none in Allison's system. Shows drowning unlikely. #badenclay
    Fuller says if she didn't drown, didn't fall, wasn't deposited by water, what's left? #badenclay
    We've adjourned for 20 minutes. #badenclay
    Another break for jury in the Queensland Supreme Court.
    A brief break

    Fuller says Allison's body was left where it was to delay discovery. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing photographs that show someone would have to be standing on the edge of the ledge to see Allison's body. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Fuller is showing jury photographs of different perspectives of where Allison's body lay under the bridge
    Prosecutor says Allison #badenclay body was left at the creek to delay her discovery and delay the investigation @abcnews
    Fuller: Why do you have to distance yourself from the body? That's because you've killed somebody. #badenclay
    Fuller asks the jury if they know anyone good at hiding things, covering their tracks. Someone who has lived a lie? #badenclay
    Gerard's parents Nigel and Elaine, sister Olivia Walton, brother Adam siting in the row behind him
    Fuller says Gerard corrected his evidence, saying it was his idea to put the tracking app on their phones. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard claimed it was to give his wife peace of mind. #badenclay
    Fuller says it was good peace of mind ... Gerard had kept on with the affair. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard knew how to turn it off. He manipulated his way around it. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard gave Allison his phone to check but just deleted the calls to his mistress. #badenclay
    Fuller is back on Allison's body. Talking about the jumper wound around her head. #badenclay
    Fuller on jumper: Which isn't her normal walking attire by the way. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison still has her rings on. Whoever killed her did not remove her wedding rings. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison has no ID, no money, no phone. #badenclay
    Fuller says #badenclay was skilled at 'deception at its highest' in disguising his affairs with other women.
    Fuller says two possible injuries to Allison, a bruise to her chest, a chip on her tooth. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard had not seen a chip on Allison's tooth. #badenclay
    Fuller says decomposition was consistent with death ten or eleven days earlier. #badenclay
    Fuller: Let's look at overdose. #badenclay
    Fuller: chip on tooth and bruise on chest don't prove she was assaulted but are consistent with it. @abcnews #badenclay
    Fuller says experts say level of drug not consistent with her death. #badenclay
    Fuller says levels in stomach not consistent with having ingested any before death. #badenclay
    Fuller says death from sertraline toxicity is almost unheard of. #badenclay
    Sertraline in her system, experts tell us to be cautious because of decomposition - Fuller
    Stomach content show no recent ingestion of the drug - Fuller
    Fuller says defence suggestion is she took antidepressant, became disorientated, somehow made it 13km then dived or fell. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison had been on sertraline for a long time. Nearly nine years. #badenclay
    Fuller says her usage was closely monitored by her psychiatrist Dr Tom George #badenclay
    Allison's history of Sertraline (Zoloft) use is important - Fuller
    Fuller says defence says she had upped her dose to 100mg and developed seratonin syndrome. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison's prescription had been increased seven months earlier with no trouble. #badenclay
    Fuller says on March 19, 2012, Allison went to her GP. It wasn't about her mental health, it was for a Pap smear. #badenclay
    Fuller says while she was there, she asked for a script for sertraline. She'd done that regularly. #badenclay
    Fuller says once you have a diagnosis, people can use it against you, no matter how you have adjusted. #badenclay
    Prosecution says Allison #badenclay had used anti-depressant drugs for years & never had adverse reactions or confusions @abcnews
    Prosecution says Allison #badenclay had used anti-depressant drugs for years & never had adverse reactions or confusions @abcnews
    Fuller says March 19 appointment was not about the return of a major depressive illness. It was about a Pap smear. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing a picture of the box of Allison's sertraline, found in the console of the Captiva. #badenclay
    Prosecutor Todd Fuller - it seems once you've had a diagnosis of depression,people are able to use it against you forever
    Fuller says Gerard told police he knew nothing about Allison's sertraline, had been searching the house for it. #badenclay
    Fuller says police found it in the Captiva. A foil inside. Ten tablets, all empty. Does that scream of an overdose? #badenclay
    Fuller: She doesn't take the tablets with her, no suggestion of that. #badenclay
    Fuller says the box contained 30 tablets. She'd had the box for over 30 days. #badenclay
    Fuller: You might think she has taken the last tablet close to the 19th of April. #badenclay
    Fuller: There is no sudden change in her script from 50 to 100mg. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison has been supervised throughout her time of using sertraline. #badenclay
    Fuller says the real key to Allison's mental health was that she didn't go back to Dr George. #badenclay
    Fuller says Dr George was the man who fixed her. #badenclay
    Box contained 30 tablets. More than 30 days had passed - Fuller
    Prosecution says Allison was taking her anti-depressant as usual. No sertraline syndrome,she is a long term user. @9NewsBrisbane
    Fuller says the alcohol in Allison's system is consistent with decomposition. #badenclay
    Fuller says there is no evidence that Allison "went on a bender", nothing around the house. #badenclay
    Fuller says we are now excluding jumping, falling, death from overdose, drowning. #badenclay
    Prosecution says Allison was taking her anti-depressant as usual. No sertraline syndrome,she is a long term user. @9NewsBrisbane #badenclay
    Prosecution: "So if you exclude drowning, jumping, toxicity…what are you left with?"
    Fuller says Allison ticked "transient suicidal thoughts" back in 2003 during first appt with Dr George. No concerns since. #badenclay
    Fuller says Dr George treated Allison for six years. Says depression resolved quickly in 2003. Allison got on with her life. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison's best friend Kerry-Anne Walker described her as "fantastic" in 2012. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison is involved in the school community, is working. She is not socially isolated. #badenclay
    Fuller says the night before Allison puts her girls to bed, she sings one of them to sleep. #badenclay
    Fuller says she was engaged in the business. #badenclay
    Fuller says once you have a diagnosis, people can use it against you, no matter how you have adjusted. #badenclay
    Fuller says on April 19, after hearing of the birth of the nephew, Allison tells Olivia she was "thrilled". #badenclay
    Fuller says she has "survived" the disclosure of her husband's affair. #badenclay
    Fuller says up until then she has just been putting up with her husband not loving her and wanting to leave. #badenclay
    Fuller asks - think about Allison on 19th April 2012: "She puts her children to bed, she sings one of them to sleep" #badenclay
    The day after finding out about the birth of her nephew, Allison was excited about the future - Crown
    She has survived her husband's affair - Crown
    All that time, going to psychiatrist and psychologist, he was having an affair - Fuller
    Prosecutor Fuller: "(Allison) has survived, and I use that word intentionally, the disclosure of her husband's affair" #badenclay
    Fuller says Dr Bourke doesn't refer to Allison's depression. He just says she is upset about problems in her marriage. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison was "over the moon that Gerard had finally decided to engage" when they went to see the counsellor. #badenclay
    Fuller says going to the counsellor showed the efforts she was making again to save their marriage. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison was excited about going to the conference. She'd made plans about that. #badenclay
    Fuller: She's not depressed. She's not suicidal. He says she's busy making plans. #badenclay
    Fuller: "She's not depressed, she's not suicidal, she's not going to wander off ... there is no trigger. #badenclay @abcnews
    Fuller - Allison was unlawfully killed and her body dumped. Only killer knows how she was killed, jury need not decide #badenclay
    But prosecutor Fuller says whatever the method of killing it was "efficient and effective" #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison was not affected by drugs, didn't drown, didn't fall. He says she did not die from natural causes. #badenclay
    Fuller says she was dumped at Kholo Creek after she was dead. This means someone has killed her. #badenclay
    Fuller says was she strangled or smothered? She wasn't shot or stabbed. #badenclay
    Fuller says her killing was efficient and effective. #badenclay
    She wasn't affected by the drug, she didn't drown, she didn't fall - Fuller
    She was dumped at the creek, somebody killed her, tried to distance themselves - Fuller
    It was effective and efficient. So who was it? Fuller
    Fuller says Allison was not affected by drugs, didn't drown, didn't fall. He says she did not die from natural causes. #badenclay
    Fuller says she was dumped at Kholo Creek after she was dead. This means someone has killed her. #badenclay
    Fuller says was she strangled or smothered? She wasn't shot or stabbed. #badenclay
    Fuller says her killing was efficient and effective. #badenclay
    Fuller says we turn now to who did it. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard was doing business as usual that night. He sent out group work texts. #badencla
    Fuller says Gerard claims he got up after 6am and found she was missing. #badenclay
    including the children, in the house that night. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing a photograph of the house, showing the girls' bedrooms. #badenclay
    Fuller says both girls' bedrooms at the front of the house had controls for an airconditioner. #badenclay
    Fuller is now showing a photograph of Allison and Gerard's bedroom. #badenclay
    Fuller says Gerard claimed noise travelled quickly through the house. But the bedside table has a baby monitor on it. #badenclay
    Fuller says a woman gave evidence of her daughter screaming down the street. Those screams weren't heard in the Baden-Clay house.
    Fuller says evidence from the youngest girl was that mum came back in to check on her. How do you know? She promised. #badenclay
    Fuller: points to aircon in girls b/rooms, didn't hear a thing. Also to baby monitor when G #badenclay said sound travelled.@abcnews
    Gerard's neighbours heard a scream. Mrs Apps said her daughter screamed. Gerard didn't hear a thing, prosecutor says. #badenclay
    Fuller says one of the girls was asked what her mum was wearing that night. She said she can't remember. #badenclay
    Fuller says the girl said she thought her mum was wearing a sloppy jumper and pyjama pants. #badenclay
    Fuller says the girl was positive it wasn't her work clothes. #badenclay
    Fuller asks whether it is conceivable that she had on the clothes she was found in. #badenclay
    Fuller says he will talk about where her death occured. #badenclay
    Fuller says Allison's body tells us one more thing. And that's the leaves. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing a photograph of the leaves and twigs found in Allison's hair. #badenclay
    Fuller: They inexplicably link Allison Baden-Clay to the house ... and her death to the house. #badenclay
    Fuller says the leaves were found in and around her hair and her jumper. #badenclay
    Prosecutor says it's not inconceivable Allison changed into the clothes her body was found in after hairdresser visit #badenclay
    Fuller asks if inconceivable she was dressed in clothes she was found in night b4. #badenclay daughter cldn't remember exactly. @abcnews
    Fuller says botanist Dr Gordon Guymer had to physically disentangle the leaves from her hair. #badenclay
    Fuller says what is the possibility of all six plant types being found at the house. #badenclay
    Fuller says what's the possibility that all six were deposited by the creek and no other types of foliage. #badenclay
    Fuller says what's going to be in the creek? The plants growing around the creek? None of those ended up in her hair. #badenclay
    Fuller asks, could this man be so unlucky?
    Fuller says of those six plants, only two are located in the area. Not the vicinity, in the area. #badenclay
    Fuller: It's not like she'd lying underneath a Chinese Elm. #badenclay
    Fuller says seven crepe myrtle leaves were in her hair. #badenclay
    Fuller says there is no Crepe Myrtle found at the creek. #badenclay
    Fuller says at her house there is Crepe Myrtle at the front of house, next to carport, next to driveway, back of house. #badenclay
    Fuller is showing a photograph of Crepe Myrtle leaves covering the back patio area. #badenclay
    Fuller says it's not just that they're there, they're there in the highest proportion. Seven found in her hair. #badenclay
    Fuller: They inextricably link Allison Baden-Clay to the house ... and her death to the house. #badenclay
    Fuller is now talking about the Cat's Claw Creeper, found in and around the carport of the house. #badenclay
    A break until 2.30pm
    We're breaking for lunch until 2.30pm. #badenclay
     
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    And we're back with the jury in the #badenclay trial. Prosecutor Todd Fuller addresses the court on 6 plant species found in Allison's hair
     
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    Todd Fuller resumes closing, says the third type of plant material found with Allison's body was eucalypt


    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
    Fuller says Eucalyptus was found in Allison's hair. He says there was a "fair amount of litter" in the backyard.

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    Chinese elm leaf found with her body
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 2m
    Fuller says Chinese Elm was found at Kholo Creek but also one at the house. One leaf found on Allison.

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    Chinese elm was found at Kholo Creek and in her yard

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    Fishbone fern leaves were found in her hair - Fuller #
     
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    Fuller shows jury photograph of lots of leaf litter at back door of Baden-Clay home, opening onto back patio #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 2m
    Fuller is now discussing the Fishbone Fern. He says the fern grew to 90cm.

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    Fishbone fern leaves were a mix of old and fresh


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    Fuller says think about where your head would be to come into contact with a 90cm plant. Gestures like he is holding something.

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    Court shown photo of fishbone fern leaves on her back patio
     
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    Prosecutor says lillypilly leaves found in Allison #badenclay hair is found in her front yard, but not at Kholo Creek @abcnewes
     
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    Kate Kyriacou ‏@KateKyriacou 1m
    Fuller is showing another picture of the leaf litter all over the back patio area.

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    Fuller says there is no Lillipilly at Kholo Creek, but of course there is one in the front yard.
     
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    Lillipilly leaf found in her hair. Was a lillipilly tree in her front yard. None found at Kholo Creek


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    Fuller: One Lillypilly, one Chinese Elm, lots of Crepe Myrtle, lots of Fishbone Fern, lots of Cat's Claw Creeper.
     
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