The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 8th July - Trial Day 16

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  1. Thinking

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    A bit late for notes now GBC? Unless he is intending to pass another to the jury?
     


  2. PrimeSuspect

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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Allison told counsellor she was a wife and a mother. Gerard cited his community involvement. Shows the difference - Fuller #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 49s
    Pathologist can't say how she died. You can't be expected to decide how - Fuller #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 45s
    You just need to decide he killed his wife and did it intentionally - Fuller #badenclay
     
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    10:34am: Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay reacted to the pressures in his life on the night of April 19, 2012.
    "What's building on this man here? What's changing in his life in the period we're talking about here?" he asked.
    Mr Fuller said Mr Baden-Clay's actions were a "reaction to a particular set of circumstances that accumulated over time, a set of circumstances that were in fact his own making".


    Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...y-16-week-5-20140708-3bjkw.html#ixzz36pgyvGCa
     
  4. drsleuth

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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 36s

    Fuller says the jury needs to decide whether Gerard killed his wife, if there was intent. #badenclay

    Fuller says nobody saw the killing, nobody has confessed. Means their case is circumstantial. #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 32s

    Fuller says "circumstantial case" is a much maligned term. But can be every bit as compelling. #badenclay
     
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    alioop Verified Attorney (AU)

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    It's a really good point Todd made about reasonable doubt and that we make assessments every day based on it. It's got me thinking as the judge doesn't tell the jury what it means. For eg we don't jaywalk unless we think beyond reasonable doubt that we won't get hit by a car. It's a higher than just deciding something is more probable than not.
    In some jurisdictions the jury are told they have to be sure of guilt before they can convict. Just like we feel sure it's safe to cross the road before we attempt it.

    Thanks Todd. You have helped me.
     
  8. PrimeSuspect

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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    People deride 'circumstantial' cases but they can be just as powerful or more so - Fuller #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 53s
    It's about the accumulation of evidence - Fuller #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 19s

    Fuller says the jury must look at the evidence as a whole and make a decision from that. #badenclay
     
  10. Smegal

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    *scratches head* what?
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 30s

    Fuller says there is a superficial attraction in looking at each piece of evidence. #badenclay

    Fuller says it is the context of everything each witness says they must look at. #badenclay
     
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    maybe he is working on his sentencing submissions ....
     
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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 56s
    It's all about the context of the evidence - Fuller #badenclay

    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 43s
    Yesterday the defence spoke about Allison being subdued at the hairdresser - Fuller #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 11s

    Fuller says yesterday afternoon defence spoke about Allison being stressed and subdued at the hairdresser. #badenclay

    Fuller says defence spoke of a psychiatrist who had never met Allison. #badenclay
     
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    I thought it was about the vibe :dunno:
     
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    David Murray ‏@TheMurrayD 1m
    Defence presented a psychologist as a witness who had never seen Allison - Fuller #badenclay
     
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    Kate Kyriacou @KateKyriacou · 43s

    Fuller says defence claimed she was so depressed she'd gone walking into the night never to be seen again. #badenclay

    Fuller says in context, Allison was a general manager going to a major conference. #badenclay
     
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    Maybe he thinks he's still in control.
     
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