The Crown v Gerard Baden-Clay, 9th July - Trial Day 17

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  1. Aussie_expat.sg

    Aussie_expat.sg Member

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    I've always thought that the police caught GBC and NBC out cleaning/vacuuming the car when they arrived so quickly. Then I wavered on this when it didn't come out in the evidence. However, when i think about it, even if there HAD been leaves matching the plants at home, what would that prove? they would have said that yes, the leaves blow inside and we use the vacuum cleaner often to clean them up. You can't prove that the leaves came from the car.
     


  2. JCB

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    They go home every night, jury service notices are sent out to people in a particular catchment area. If you live in Ipswich you won't be called up for Brisbane matters, you would attend cases at the Ipswich District Court.
     
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    I think he was giving the vacuum to the old bastard in the pretence of cleaning a clients house for an open house.
     
  4. Helen-Lou

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    Agree totally!
     
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    I spent a fews hours in court with "KiwiJayne" and "Whatif" (sorry I called you "couldbe" lol). Lovely to meet you today. I have pages and pages of notes but here are a few of my favourite statements from Todd today -
    "He has manipulated T McH and kept it from his wife, parents etc. To this day, it's about him - his life, his business and his needs. It's not about Allison's mental health, depression or drug use. This is a man having to deal with the consequences of his own actions. The decision was made. He then calmly and rationally decided to cover it up. Was it highly unusual that he killed his wife? That's what he did and it was close, personal and effective. His life was not going where he wanted it to go. He had a double life. He had daily deceptions. He just wanted to wipe the slate clean."
     
  6. JCB

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    I have a pretty low pain threshold ironically, that's why this incident stuck in my mind. I barely felt the gate, was just the tiniest bit of steel sticking out and it nicked me like a razor. Didn't expect it to bleed at all, nevermind look like something from a horror movie.
     
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    No offense...but maybe you are not very sensitive. Others may be very much so.
     
  8. Bazinga

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    That was all Gerard was trying to tell the jury member in his note! :wink:
    "Your chair looks dodgy, I'm good with a screwdriver and I'm a nice guy, I'm here to help."
     
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    Oh Brissie Lass, I am so sorry to learn of your obvious depression, wearing black and all. Should I call 000?
     
  10. Timmy

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    Don't you mean 'old modsnip'?
     
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    Yes dad was in it up to his bootstraps
     
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    No offence taken and you could well be right, wouldn't be the first time someone has called me insensitive!
     
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    I would think in that case they would have reported it showed signs of being recently washed and had been emptied.

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    Again, Gerard sure is one unlucky guy to have had all of these things occur. You can't just look at the blood. If it were the ONLY thing then yeh, I'd probably not think so much of it. But, when looking at ALL the evidence, it paints a damning picture.
     
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    Funny. Rofl. What a guy
     
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    And then he attached his business card to the note...
     
  17. Freya1977

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    No they've just been in their normal homes :)
     
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    :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
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    :floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
     
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    Hi JCB :)

    I'm playing catch up so no doubt you have had many responses to this already, all of which I'm interested to read very soon. My thoughts really relate to both of your questions - I think it is as simple as this (i.e. I don't think one should overthink it too much):

    (a) As Fuller said (words to this effect), when you kill someone you want to get the body as far away from you as possible;
    (b) IMO the murder wasn't planned for that evening so, while he may have thought about it in the past, he hadn't planned the finer details;
    (c) After he realised Allison was dead, he knew he had to get her away, so his instincts took him there as he is familiar with the area through real estate and scout connections, it is the back road to Ipswich etc - at that time of night it would have been a 13 minute drive so not too far time wise, but far enough to be quite a way away from the murder scene.
    (d) He wasn't thinking clearly and that is why he didn't choose more efficient methods such as those you suggested. He didn't have time to think about it too deeply and was likely too scared of being seen, to stop on the bridge.

    I'm actually not too baffled about the choice of Kholo Creek. I just don't think he was thinking in terms of the insurance money at that time, rather, he just wanted the body gone as quickly as possible (which could possibly be the reason why the PT focused more on the affair than on the insurance aspect) - I think it is just where he ended up. I think luck played a huge part in that he wasn't seen and she wasn't found for 10 days :( Just my two cents!
     
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