The Dogs

Discussion in 'Dr. Teresa Sievers' started by lstiff, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. lstiff

    lstiff New Member

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    I wonder if they were looking for marks from the dogs. When were the dogs swabbed in relation to CWW being brought in the 1st time? I feel that his arrest for this case was after the dogs were swabbed? IMO

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  3. wondering25

    wondering25 New Member

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    Swabbing dogs for DNA and obtaining bite impressions from the dogs would be 2 different things, imo. i cannot see how obtaining doggie dna days or more after the murder can reveal anything about the killer. DNA is used to include/exclude and doesnt change. If the dog bit the murderer the DNA from the murderer is not going to be found in the doggie saliva days later. More likely, there was doggie dna found in all the blood at the scene and they are just being sure the DNA belongs to TS' dogs and not a different dog. JMO
     
  4. Dushi

    Dushi Active Member

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    A dog bite is nasty.
    Could someone have been bitten and they were comparing TS's dog's DNA to the bite?
    To rule in or out her dogs?

    I don't know how long that type of evidence would be found in a bite...
     
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    relay New Member

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    I do not recall ever reading that JR was ever KNOWINGLY AND PRIOR TO DR. TERESA'S MURDER in or even at the Sievers' home. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Jumping off that, if JR was reportedly never at the Siever home prior to his alleged presence during the murder, yet dog hair or other DNA from the Siever's dogs was on the jumpsuit or in JR's vehicle, that might be important.
     
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    Dushi Active Member

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    AFAIK, JR said he didn't know them, so if dog hair was found around him, I expect that would require some explaining
     
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    LaLaw2000 Active Member

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    BBM: Dog dna in saliva that was on the clothing of anyone at the murder scene will still show up after it has dried. What if it was dog saliva mixed with blood? Would you then agree if that blood is from a dog bite of the murderer that it will connect the dog and the murderer?

    *Have you ever noticed that when a dog is angry or even excited that it salivates more than normal?
     
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    Eileen730 Former Member

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    Does anyone know if the dogs were hurt?
     
  9. Dushi

    Dushi Active Member

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    That is a good question.
    Truly, I have never seen it confirmed that the dogs were actually there.
    Based on hearing of a dog walker etc., I have assumed they were home
     
  10. wondering25

    wondering25 New Member

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    Yes, that makes perfect sense..BUT the jumpsuit was found very recently, the doggie DNA was done weeks ago. I do wonder if the dogs were just included in the dna etc in case at a later date that could be used if they found something from the killers and could match it up. That would make sense to me.. also, i wonder if bite impressions of the dogs were done. MOO
     
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    lstiff New Member

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    wondering25 New Member

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    Yes, I agree. The shirtless photo .. if it was taken the end of August is one thing ( and i think it would be much harder to link any marks to the crime without dental impressions from the dogs matching up.) Doggie DNA or hairs on a jumpsuit would be a reason to take DNA from the dogs. I do not think taking a mugshot of CWW without a shirt was about any marks. Do you see any on his picture? i dont. Separate photos of the individual marks are done for that, AFAIK. Did TS have CWW or JR's DNA under her fingernails? A quick DNA run would have zeroed in on that a lot sooner, imo. They both had prior felony records. LE would have RUN to Missouri to witness the bite marks, scratch marks etc if there was DNA under her nails that matched either of the perps that had to be alreaqdy on file.. JMO

    all speculation and IMO only.
     
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    That's my question too! We haven't heard anything about the Siever's dogs. I pretty sure there are 2?
     
  14. Eileen730

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    My thinking g is they found dried or splatteredblood somewhere and had to rule out it being given hers or the dogs.

    Can't they tell right away it's animal?
    Why would they need dog dna?
     
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    I cannot imagine the need of comfort at this time for the family, and the cruel separation.........and it makes me so so so sad that I have heard (no msm, but discussion here) that the dogs are not with those that would benefit most in giving loving solace and companionship to ones who need it at their time in their lives.

    I recall when I was younger, my dogs were my go to for tragedy times... I just cannot fathom that they are not with those that need them and are still at the house without the family.

    WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (if this is indeed true)

    (Trying to post my feelings within TOS iykwim)

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    www.scrippsmedia.com/fox4now
     
  16. No it's not

    No it's not that simple

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    creepingskills Verified Attorney

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    JMO, its telling he's obviously trying to keep his face off camera, aggressively. Is it because he looks like CWW? Body language of a defendant in court with media presence...and he's not charged or named POI. :thinking:
     
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    creepingskills Verified Attorney

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    How long ago did a source tell WINK MS doesn't live on Jarvis? Do the dogs live there? Did MS want the news to look inside the garage? The latest footage of MS is just off? in various ways.
     
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    In the video, my impression of MS in his driveway in front of the garage is that he was being Papa Bear protecting his girls and his private space from media intrusion…. just wanting to take a dang walk with his girls and their dogs.
    The New Normal for them must be heartbreaking and traumatic.

    http://www.nbc-2.com/story/30013123...w-light-on-homes-security-system#.VfNnBBFVikp
     
  21. creepingskills

    creepingskills Verified Attorney

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    Completely plausible. Defensive dad mode. I know my take is very subjective, based off my intuition almost entirely. Its little things I wonder like, was the media there all day? did they have to walk the dogs at this moment? And then I think, they shouldn't have to alter their behavior because of the media intruding into their lives after such trauma.
     

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