The GB4 and Shannan Gilbert-Connecting the dots #2

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  1. waltzingmatilda

    waltzingmatilda Verified Insider-Roy Moore

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    This thread should concentrate on discussion of the GB4 and Shannan Gilbert and how the cases are intertwined and may relate to one another.

    GB4 -
    Maureen Brainard Barnes
    Megan Waterman
    Melissa Bartholemy
    Amber Lynn Costello


    Shannan Gilbert - Shannan's disappearance while running from a john's house in Oak Beach while on a distress call to 911 (May '10) subsequently led to the search (Dec '10) which discovered the remains of 4 women wrapped in burlap at Gilgo Beach.

    We can sleuth how the GB4 may be related to one another and how/if Shannan's disappearance could be connected.


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  2. ManhattanCrystal

    ManhattanCrystal New Member

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    Why didn’t LE help the addict?! If she was heavy on drugs and an informant... they could have helped her
     
  3. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    • . Like they saved Jake Feinberg from killing himself with drugs. They must have had a party when they found out he was dead.
     
  4. PillowofWinds

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    Just FYI, the pharmacy was open 24/7 at that CVS. I, myself, was in Good Sam hospital ER and would go to CVS at any hour to pick up prescriptions.
     
  5. PreciousDust

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    Based purely, I suppose, on Pak's statements, they weren't gone nearly long enough to get across the bridge, buy whatever, and get back. An in-neighborhood coke pick-up is much more likely.
     
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  6. PillowofWinds

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    I agree. Even speeding, it would take awhile to get there and back. I am not sure how they determined that they actually left Brewer's. And if they did leave how do we know how long they were really gone? Are we only going by what Brewer and Pak state? B/c who can believe anything they said?

    Something else has been on my mind...who is to say that SG was the only female there that night? How do we know what was really going on in that house since no one even truly investigated? There could have been others already dead or being held captive there. Why didn't they search his house that night or within the first few days? Plenty of time to hide evidence.

    Do they have any evidence of the GB4 being dumped at the same time or at all different times? Similar to Atlantic City murders as far as distance from one another.

    Can anyone confirm that all of the victims were missing shoes?
     
  7. hawkshaw

    hawkshaw Well-Known Member

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    Suffolk PD is quick to publicize anything good they do. Can’t tell joy how many cats, dog, ducklings, boaters, etc. they save each year, BUT the cop and his trusty dog BLU hardly get a mention. It is a perfect feel good story for the public to read AND we hear little about them.
     
  8. Sleuth_Noob

    Sleuth_Noob Well-Known Member

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    This has probably been pointed out before by someone but—
    There is absolutely no proof of anything—no video, no eyewitness sighting etc., no receipt—that Brewer and SG went ANYWHERE that night, like Pak and Brewer both claim. And we all KNOW that Pak, or Brewer, OR BOTH, are liars.
     
  9. Sleuth_Noob

    Sleuth_Noob Well-Known Member

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    This has probably been pointed out before by someone but—
    There is absolutely no proof of anything—no video, no eyewitness sighting etc., no receipt—that Brewer and SG went ANYWHERE that night, like Pak and Brewer both claim. And we all KNOW that Pak, or Brewer, OR BOTH, are liars.
     
  10. Pulled onion

    Pulled onion Former Member

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    I believe that each of these girls were being stalked. By someone who liked the idea of getting them and then killing them. I believe that he is a wealthy person. Could be in the Entertainment business. He tells the girls he might get them a better job. Like modeling or in a music video. Offers them high pay. Has a nice car. Then gets them kills or tortures them. And dumps them. I think SG might have discovered what this person had in mind. JB and her went somewhere for 15 minutes. Maybe JB was paid to get SG for him.
     
  11. Pulled onion

    Pulled onion Former Member

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    That is what I have thought about this case. LISK is someone all of them trusted. They knew he had money. And most of them wanted a better life. Like being a singer or owning their own beauty salon.
     
  12. Pulled onion

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    JB was known to have parties. With known escorts. It is also known that he likes to invite wealthy men to these parties. Could LISK have been to these parties. And be following and stalking these women. In order to find his victim of choice. These women usually go to the same places. And many are friends with each other. Maybe he found the women he killed. By hanging out with JB.
     
  13. Pulled onion

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    I think JB was unknowingly used by LISK. I believe that this killer. Knows through his friends about these girls. And he gets them to give him information on them. He is probably a rich easily recognized singer. I think he is into sick rock music. Wears makeup and is into devil worship. He likes European clothes. And has friends in the Hamptons and has a house on the East Coast and one on the West Coast. All the girls had one thing in common. The almighty dollar. Shannon wanted to buy her mother a gift. One of them had a drug problem. And another was getting ready to be evicted. LISK had to be a man they knew could pay. And maybe do more for them.
     
  14. Pulled onion

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    I believe that the night Shannon ran. She had come face to face with SK. When JB and her went away for 15 minutes. She is part of the four girls. But SK did not line her up with them. Because she caught on. The SK did not get the chance to toy with her like his other victims. When she was running and hiding. SK found her and had to end her life quickly. So she could not give his identity away. He only wanted the girls he probably tortured in his collection. Of burlap bodies.
     
  15. Pulled onion

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    I read in the book that Dave was addicted to drugs. And Amber was his and Kim's main money source.
     
  16. Pulled onion

    Pulled onion Former Member

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    My take on this case is all the girls knew LISK. He probably bought them things and treated them good in order to gain there confidence. I don't think Shannon knew LISK. He saw her add and wanted her. He was probably friends with JB. Ask him to get her to his house so he could meet her. He waited at the CVS. Where JB and Shannon went. When Shannon got into his car. He probably told her to ditch JB and go with him. When she refused. His true self came through. He might have had a gun. Anyway he says he is going to kill her and her driver when she leaves her Johns house. That's why she didn't want to leave the house she was at. And why she didn't want to go with MP. She feared he would follow her home. When she last ran. LISK probably saw her on the road. In his anger choked her and dumped her body. He slipped up. Because most of his victims. Went with him with no problem. And he made a collection of them because he had time to enjoy the killing of them.
     
  17. Sleuth_Noob

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    Could be…it’s a very interesting theory.
     

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