The Incinerator

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Yes that's it, thank you.

When looking at the size of the trailer, propane tank etc, the incinerator itself doesn't seem very big MOO
 
The following page from the manufacturer sets out the various models and their stated purpose.


http://www.supernovamfg.com/prod_gen.html

Neither the sn250 or sn500 seem designed to accommodate anything as large as a human body, i.e. referencing the larger unit, the sn500:

turkey farmers and larger poultry operations. This unit is also the favorite among animal shelters and drug task forces
 
Yes that's it, thank you.

When looking at the size of the trailer, propane tank etc, the incinerator itself doesn't seem very big MOO

For reference the tire at the front of the trailer would be about 24" across. The angles screw me up, I really couldn't tell you...

The following page from the manufacturer sets out the various models and their stated purpose.


http://www.supernovamfg.com/prod_gen.html

Neither the sn250 or sn500 seem designed to accommodate anything as large as a human body, i.e. referencing the larger unit, the sn500:

If the body was dismembered, there would be a lot of evidence left behind. That is the positive out of all this evil: if TB suffered this indignity, at least there would be a lot of evidence left to speak for him.
 
For reference the tire at the front of the trailer would be about 24" across. The angles screw me up, I really couldn't tell you...



If the body was dismembered, there would be a lot of evidence left behind. That is the positive out of all this evil: if TB suffered this indignity, at least there would be a lot of evidence left to speak for him.

The SN 250 loading door is 12x20" and the SN 500 loading door is
24.5"x 18.5" if that will help scale the OAL, I can't see the picture at the moment.
http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html
http://www.supernovamfg.com/500.html
 
Although we do not have any evidence that the incinerator was used in the murder or disposal of the body, it is reasonable to believe it was.

Given that cost does not appear to have been a prohibitive factor in DM's purchases, why would he select the smallest of the available incinerator models available from this company with a feeder chute too small to accomodate a normal human? Actually, it would be reasonable if someone were considering the disposal of chicken bodies. Another targeted user put forward by the company is LE, by which one assumes is can be used in the disposal of marijuana plants, etc. Could this activity have been going on at the Ayr property?

However, MSM provided that DM's stated intention was to build a home there. http://globalnews.ca/news/561827/who-is-dellen-millard/
There hasn't been any mention of whether he also intended to tear down the barn, but it doesn't look like a particularly attractive addition to a country dream home. There is, of course, the normal amount of vegetation debris associated with clearing land and the large amount of trash generated when anyone builds a house. The costs for constant junk removal are significant, even in an urban build. In a rural situation, burning this debris on site sounds like a good idea, imo.

However, I note that Waterloo District has strict regulation regarding open air burning.
http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourtownship/BurnPermits.asp

To some extent these concerns can be alleviated by the use of an approved "burn barrel".

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@affm/documents/document/270519.pdf

However, the use of burn barrels is also highly controversial because of pollution and safety issues (particularly runaway fires caused by sparking and incompletely burned debris.) Far better IMO, if one can afford it, to buy a completely enclosed incinerator that burns at much higher temperatures thus alleviating both problems and reducing trash to a much smaller size.

For all these reasons IMHO the whole advance purchase of an incinerator to dispose of multiple murdered bodies meme ends up being a diversionary red herring. MOO.
 
Given that cost does not appear to have been a prohibitive factor in DM's purchases, why would he select the smallest of the available incinerator models available from this company with a feeder chute too small to accomodate a normal human? Actually, it would be reasonable if someone were considering the disposal of chicken bodies. Another targeted user put forward by the company is LE, by which one assumes is can be used in the disposal of marijuana plants, etc. Could this activity have been going on at the Ayr property?

However, MSM provided that DM's stated intention was to build a home there. http://globalnews.ca/news/561827/who-is-dellen-millard/
There hasn't been any mention of whether he also intended to tear down the barn, but it doesn't look like a particularly attractive addition to a country dream home. There is, of course, the normal amount of vegetation debris associated with clearing land and the large amount of trash generated when anyone builds a house. The costs for constant junk removal are significant, even in an urban build. In a rural situation, burning this debris on site sounds like a good idea, imo.

However, I note that Waterloo District has strict regulation regarding open air burning.
http://www.northdumfries.ca/en/ourtownship/BurnPermits.asp

To some extent these concerns can be alleviated by the use of an approved "burn barrel".

http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@affm/documents/document/270519.pdf

However, the use of burn barrels is also highly controversial because of pollution and safety issues (particularly runaway fires caused by sparking and incompletely burned debris.) Far better IMO, if one can afford it, to buy a completely enclosed incinerator that burns at much higher temperatures thus alleviating both problems and reducing trash to a much smaller size.

For all these reasons IMHO the whole advance purchase of an incinerator to dispose of multiple murdered bodies meme ends up being a diversionary red herring. MOO.

Barn board seems to be going for $3 - $4 per square foot (from a few quick google searches). The defense might have a hard time finding 12 people who would believe DM bought the incinerator to burn down his barn.

Also, "The Ontario buyer said he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ase/article12757899/?ord=1#dashboard/follows/
 
Carli said:Given that cost does not appear to have been a prohibitive factor in DM's purchases, why would he select the smallest of the available incinerator models available from this company with a feeder chute too small to accomodate a normal human?

I imagine if you buy the full-size human cemetery and crematorium model it provokes a certain amount of suspicion.

Also, if your partner in crime is already doing Dexter-style chop-up-the-body videos, a smaller size compact incinerator probably fits in with your hideous plans.
 
I imagine if you buy the full-size human cemetery and crematorium model it provokes a certain amount of suspicion.

Also, if your partner in crime is already doing Dexter-style chop-up-the-body videos, a smaller size compact incinerator probably fits in with your hideous plans.

Not to mention the next size up that has a considerably larger loading door weights 8500 pounds. Not exactly suitable for portablility on a utility trailer.
Their biggest model is 8,500 lbs.
 
I imagine if you buy the full-size human cemetery and crematorium model it provokes a certain amount of suspicion.

Also, if your partner in crime is already doing Dexter-style chop-up-the-body videos, a smaller size compact incinerator probably fits in with your hideous plans.

Was the next size 'the crematorium version' ?

We have to remember that videos are not the same as actual murders. Movies portray violent murders all the time..it doesn't make the actors killers. JMO
 
Just jumping off your post with some thoughts ..

from:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

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IMO, the above bolded would seem to indicate that LE believed the incinerator played at least some role in the burning of Tim's body.

If a person has the inclination to dispose of a body by burning, and happens to own a piece of equipment that is designed specifically for efficient burning, what makes us think it wouldn't be used in the process?

Could well be in the general line of questioning IMO. Maybe they asked this question when they went looking for LB...still doesn't confirm anything IMO
 
Hi everyone. I'm new here and have been following along for some time. Just wanted to respond re: cremation. In SB's last interview she mentions that she and TB had discussed their deaths and wanted to be buried beside each other in caskets. She specifically mentions this. It would seem to me that unless his body was so badly burned that there would be no option she would have wanted him buried in a casket. IMO.
 
:greetings: Eljo! and glad you joined the discussion!
 
Barn board seems to be going for $3 - $4 per square foot (from a few quick google searches). The defense might have a hard time finding 12 people who would believe DM bought the incinerator to burn down his barn.

Also, "The Ontario buyer said he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ase/article12757899/?ord=1#dashboard/follows/

I certainly agree that a jury would be unlikely to agree that someone purchased an incinerator in order to burn down an old barn, nor was that suggestion my intention in researching the possible use of incinerators on rural Ontario properties. IMO, most "farm animals" are fairly large in size, are they not? If the seller was accurately quoted what could justify his apparent recommendation and sale of the wrong size product to his customer? MOO.

http://www.supernovamfg.com/prod_gen.html

SuperNova Manufacturing, Inc. has designed six different size models of incinerators.* The SN250 model has a 250 lb.*capacity. Small animal veterinarians and the smaller poultry operations utilize this unit.*
 
I certainly agree that a jury would be unlikely to agree that someone purchased an incinerator in order to burn down an old barn, nor was that suggestion my intention in researching the possible use of incinerators on rural Ontario properties. IMO, most "farm animals" are fairly large in size, are they not? If the seller was accurately quoted what could justify his apparent recommendation and sale of the wrong size product to his customer? MOO.

http://www.supernovamfg.com/prod_gen.htmlhttp://

SuperNova Manufacturing, Inc. has designed six different size models of incinerators.* The SN250 model has a 250 lb.*capacity. Small animal veterinarians and the smaller poultry operations utilize this unit.*

I don't see anywhere in the article where it states what model the salesman recommended. It doesn't even specifically state which one was purchased.
Most salesman I know would have recommended the most expensive one first :)
 
Can you provide a link to where investigators say TB was cut up? I don't remember seeing that. Thank you

Blomquist, sorry: I have searched about 1 hour or more but I can't find the newspaper article. I'm sure for this because I had to translate before understanding.
 
I don't see anywhere in the article where it states what model the salesman recommended. It doesn't even specifically state which one was purchased.
Most salesman I know would have recommended the most expensive one first :)

You're quite right in calling me to task on that, lanman. I naturally assumed that, since the article states that the buyer stated he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals that the seller would have made a recommendation suitable for that purpose. You're also correct in pointing out that the article didn't specifically state which one was purchased, but then again, the seller has been identified and we have photographs of the incinerator found on the farm so it seemed to me IMO that this was probably the same one that was purchased. Perhaps there is a possibility that other more adequate incinerators were also bought.
 
Hi everyone. I'm new here and have been following along for some time. Just wanted to respond re: cremation. In SB's last interview she mentions that she and TB had discussed their deaths and wanted to be buried beside each other in caskets. She specifically mentions this. It would seem to me that unless his body was so badly burned that there would be no option she would have wanted him buried in a casket. IMO.

Yes I expect so...but bodies have a way of becoming very delicate after death, not easy to move especially if burnt. If even part of the body was charred it would possibly have fell apart somewhat upon moving. There would not have been the usual care of a deceased that is given when people die at home or in hospital as rigor mortis starts to set in after 15 minutes or so. The body also releases fluids etc....so its not a simple case of picking up a body and placing in a casket in this particular case, and he was not found immediately apparently.
 
Does anyone recall whether it was mentioned that it was LE that handed the box with the remains to SB?? If TB had been cremated in the traditional way then I would expect that it would be a funeral home that would hand over the remains after the cremation was completed. The only situation I can see where LE would hand over the remains is if a funeral home was not involved.
 
I don't see anywhere in the article where it states what model the salesman recommended. It doesn't even specifically state which one was purchased.
Most salesman I know would have recommended the most expensive one first :)

This article does state which model was found on the farm.

Yes, as reported earlier in the Toronto Sun, The Eliminator SN250 model, was discovered on the first-degree murder accused’s farm and has become a key component of the investigation into the death of Tim Bosma.

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying
 
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