The Key: Planted or Not? Impact?

Discussion in 'Netflix Series: Making A Murderer' started by ferretnurse, Jan 10, 2016.

  1. ferretnurse

    ferretnurse Verified registered nurse

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    It's been over two years since I've posted, probably. I actually did the opposite as most people in this case, as I researched and read up on the case prior to watching the documentary. I'll start by saying I'm very pro cop. I used to be a correctional nurse, and I watched tons of inmates take advantage of the system, treat LE like crap, and complain about how unfair their sentences are. I went into the documentary fully expecting to hate Steven Avery and have no question of his guilt. I'm an animal lover, and the cat burning had me seeing red. (Yes, I admit to being someone who would lose their minds if someone harmed any of my animals!) I came out of the research and viewing of the show on the fence.

    My problem is simple. The darn key. Kratz made some bs comment about the fact that even if you believe the key was planted, it shouldn't matter. (I don't remember the exact quote, but the gist.) He's wrong. As soon as you believe the key "may" have been planted, you begin to question what other evidence could be tampered with. That's my reasonable doubt. Sadly, SA may be guilty, I just don't know what we can trust from the poisoned evidence. This makes me sad and angry for Teresa's family.
     
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  3. norest4thewicked

    norest4thewicked Karma is a beautiful thing ~

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    So, let's say that LE somehow planted the key. Does this make all the other evidence against him moot? Could it be possible that he did kill Teresa but, just to be certain, someone in law enforcement decided to plant a key? Yes, that's horrible. But, for me, it doesn't make the rest of the evidence against him just go away...it just doesn't.
     
  4. Miette

    Miette New Member

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    For me yes it does. Planted evidence is in and of itself reasonable doubt. It calls all other evidence into question because how can we know that hasn't been planted or tampered with as well.
     
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  5. ferretnurse

    ferretnurse Verified registered nurse

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    Actually, my point is, it kind of does. If I see the key as planted, I start questioning the blood, the "sweat DNA", the movement of the bones, etc. I start wondering what's true and what isn't. I hate that he may be guilty, but the planting of the key made me question all of the evidence that pointed directly at SA.

    You have no idea how angry it makes me that they thought they could "help" ensure a conviction. They may let a murderer walk free because of it.
     
  6. Sleuther87

    Sleuther87 New Member

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    Except there's not actually proof the key was planted. The series exaggerates how long it was before the key was actually found.

    "Apparently the key was found on the sixth entry into the trailer, but it was only the second general search of the trailer after the first search was called off due to the rain and late hour. So it was technically found in the first 3.5 hours of searching for general physical evidence."

    Read more here:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/MakingaMurderer/comments/3zr9nv/information_on_the_searches_of_averys_trailer_and/
     
  7. TheDuchess

    TheDuchess Active Member

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    While I do believe it is quite possible it was planted, I don't have nearly as much concern with how long it took them to find it than WHO found it, the fact that it didn't have any of Teresa's DNA on it, and it seemed to be a valet key with no other keys on it.
     
  8. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    Yes exactly! Notice how those who allege planting say it would be easy for cops to plant TH's key. Okay then... where did the cops get TH's key from in order to plant it? Remember TH had possession of her own car key that day, the cops did not. TH's key and key fob was not in her own SUV when it was found parked and obscured. So where was this magical key that police obtained in order to plant it in SA's bedroom? When logic has to be applied to these conspiracy arguments, there are crickets chirping because many do not think it all the way through (or back).
     
  9. Sleuther87

    Sleuther87 New Member

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    I want to address one thing about Colborn and Lenk.

    From the start, the series makes it seem like Colborn and Lenk are villains and have a lot to lose from the lawsuit (in reality, this is not true at all- they are not named in the suit and everyone has already been cleared of any criminal wrongdoing).

    Then later on they find the key, and you think to yourself, "What are the odds! These guys have all the motive and they're the ones to find the key!"

    The truth of the matter is that they're the ones who found the key, therefore they're the ones who the filmmakers/defense choose to portray as villains with a motive.

    This is one way the series tricks you and so many others.
     
  10. TheDuchess

    TheDuchess Active Member

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    I am not sold that the key they found was the one she used that day. It was the valet key, in other words, a spare. Her DNA wasn't even on it. They could have gotten it on the sly from someone who may have had access to it that thought it might help to bolster the case. It's really too bad that the cop responsible for finding it just so happened to be Lenk. Oh...and Colburn was there too. Sorry....neither of those guys should have ever been allowed anywhere near this investigation, let alone finding evidence.
     
  11. Really?

    Really? Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting...I am very pro LE under normal circumstances, however in this case I am appalled by them and their actions.

    Thanks for posting...I actually very pro LE
     
  12. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    For those who want to believe Lenk and/or Colburn planted TH's car key & fob in SA's bedroom, can you please explain exactly where they got TH's key to plant? TH was in possession of her own car key. Said key was not in her SUV after she disappeared. So where was this magical key that Lenk and/or Colburn obtained in order to plant it?
     
  13. Tawny

    Tawny Bye

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    Maybe they found it when they found the SUV. Maybe it was in her apartment when they went there to question the roommate. Maybe it was in the glove compartment. *shrug*

    It has NONE of Teresa's DNA on it. Not even the fabric part, as far as I know.
     
  14. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    Saying they "could have" gotten her spare valet key (which just so happened to have the exact same fob on it that her sister testified she gave to her months before, and that TH used all the time) does not tell us how they got it, who they got it from, or when, or where. There needs to be some evidence to point to beyond "well they could'a").
     
  15. ferretnurse

    ferretnurse Verified registered nurse

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    This. News conferences stating that MC had no involvement accept to provide equipment, and there they are searching the suspect's home.

    The public is supposed to trust that LE is going to do the honest thing. If you can't trust the case they're presenting, it's a huge problem.

    BTW, I don't think the bullet should have been included in evidence. Every scientist I know would have invalidated the test after she contaminated the control. It's too bad she used the whole sample, no do overs.
     
  16. TheDuchess

    TheDuchess Active Member

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    Glad to have you back and to have feedback from someone who has looked at both aspects of the case.
     
  17. Miette

    Miette New Member

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    If TH used it all the time, then why was there none of her DNA found on the key?
     
  18. SCHMAE

    SCHMAE Well-Known Member

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    Not saying they did this but there are only 4 to 5 copies of a key that starts each make/ model. You could get one at the manufacturer or ' house' or who knows , maybe you've got a few RAV4s in police impound lots and used one of those keys. Again, not saying that they did but finding a car key is not impossible. Come to think of it, how do we know it's the one that even starts the car and not just a ' rav 4 ' key ? Thinking out loud .
     
  19. Tawny

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    If we throw out the key because we believe it's planted by LE, nothing else is reliable, IMHO.

    New investigation, top to bottom. JMO
     
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  20. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    Okay, let's say they acquired a 'like' key. Where did they find the exact lanyard (blue with "Air National Guard" printed on it from the EAA convention TH's sister attended 2 years before) and fob her sister, Katie, gave her 2 summers before? She only had 1 of them and that's the very same fob found on the key. Katie ID'd the key and fob on the witness stand. The fob is the one she gave TH. (That's why you have to use actual evidence and testimony.) All the "what-ifs" get quickly whittled down when compared to actual evidence and actual testimony.
     
  21. Sleuther87

    Sleuther87 New Member

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    If I ever murder someone, I just need to make sure I have a cop friend who can plant a key for me.
     
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