The Murder of Bill and Lorraine Currier

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  1. bessie

    bessie Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Police: Missing Essex couple's disappearance suspicious
    FBI trace Currier case to New York
    Officials confirm Alaska suspect killed Vt. couple
    How investigators got Israel Keyes to confess
    FBI releases new details on Israel Keyes' alleged crimes
     
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  3. Wondergirl

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    Property owned by Keyes in Constable, NY on the Canadian border, near Watertown, NY. Watertown is a major cross-border shopping destination for Canadians. This house is ultra-creepy.

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    http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20120803/DCO01/708039920/
     
  4. Wondergirl

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    It would be nice if LE was checking the forest, but, I highly doubt it, without a lead. Good grief.

     
  5. Wondergirl

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    Decrepit site scoured for muder

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    http://www.ogd.com/article/20121028/NEWS07/710289806
     
  6. Wondergirl

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    Here are pictures of one of Keyes "kill kits". :(

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  7. Lucky 1

    Lucky 1 not all those who wander are lost....

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    http://www.wcax.com/story/14877883/police-missing-essex-couples-disappearance-suspicious
    Police: Missing Essex couple's disappearance suspicious
    Essex, Vermont - June 9, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14882641/state-investigators-join-search-for-missing-essex-couple
    Police find missing Essex couple's car
    Essex, Vermont - June 10, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14887431/police-want-info-about-missing-couples-car
    Police want info about missing couple's car
    Essex, Vermont - June 10, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14904570/still-no-word-on-missing-essex-couple
    Police release sketch of man seen driving missing couple's car
    Essex, Vermont - June 14, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14912502/vt-police-say-sketch-brings-tips-on-missing-pair
    Sketch brings tips on missing Essex couple
    Essex, Vermont - June 15, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14928451/reward-to-be-offered-for-missing-vt-couple
    Reward offered in Essex missing couple case
    Essex Junction, Vermont - June 17, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/14970315/vt-police-say-chance-of-finding-couple-dwindling
    Police launch another search for missing Essex couple
    Essex, Vermont - June 24, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/15099579/vt-police-foul-play-suspected-in-disappearance
    Police: Foul play suspected in Currier disappearance
    Essex, Vermont - July 18, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/15112457/outside-dna-test-ordered-for-missing-essex-couple
    Outside DNA test ordered for missing Essex couple
    Essex, Vermont - July 20, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/15209975/police-expand-search-for-missing-essex-couple
    Police expand search for missing Essex couple
    Essex, Vermont - August 4, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/15869674/currier-ground-search-resumes
    Currier ground search resumes
    Essex, Vermont - October 25, 2011
    http://www.wcax.com/story/17394479/new-developments-in-currier-case
    Police dig for evidence in Currier case
    Posted: Apr 12, 2012 11:29 AM EST Updated: Apr 15, 2012 5:00 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/18220153/insight-into-latest-developments-in-currier-case
    Insight into latest developments in Currier case
    Posted: May 08, 2012 6:23 PM EST Updated: May 10, 2012 5:01 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/19066484/missing-couple-murdered-the-mystery-unravels
    Missing couple murdered? The mystery unravels
    Posted: Jul 19, 2012 2:39 PM EST Updated: Jul 22, 2012 5:00 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/19073463/new-details-on-suspect-in-currier-murders
    New details on suspect in Currier murders
    Posted: Jul 20, 2012 10:36 AM EST Updated: Jul 23, 2012 5:01 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/19142109/why-are-nh-authorities-discussing-i
    Why are NH authorities talking about Israel Keyes?
    Posted: Jul 29, 2012 7:24 PM EST Updated: Jul 31, 2012 6:58 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/19918423/fbi-follow-currier-lead-to-new-york
    FBI trace Currier case to New York
    Posted: Oct 25, 2012 5:48 PM EST Updated: Oct 28, 2012 2:00 PM EST
    http://www.wcax.com/story/20250669/currier-neighbors-co-workers-reflect-on-loss
    Currier neighbors, co-workers reflect on loss
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 6:49 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

    http://www.wcax.com/story/20250874/authorities-left-to-unravel-keyes-unsolved-murders
    Federal authorities left to unravel unsolved murders
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 7:15 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 6:48 PM EDT
    http://www.wcax.com/story/20250874/authorities-left-to-unravel-keyes-unsolved-murders
    Federal authorities left to unravel unsolved murders
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 7:15 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

    http://www.wcax.com/story/20247989/officials-confirm-alaska-suspect-killed-vt-couple
    Officials confirm Alaska suspect killed Vt. couple
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 2:33 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 6:48 PM EDT
    http://www.wcax.com/story/20250812/curriers-good-people-who-encountered-a-force-of-pure-evil
    U.S. Attorney: Curriers encountered 'force of pure evil'
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 7:07 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 6:48 PM EDT

    http://www.wcax.com/story/20252077/more-keyes-details-surface-including-audio-recording
    More Keyes details surface, including audio recording
    Posted: Dec 03, 2012 11:46 PM EDT Updated: Dec 05, 2012 11:46 PM EDT
     
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    This is a link to the November 29th interview and script is below
    This is where they are showing Keyes photo's of what they found on his NY property and also they say to him there will be more to come--some items were still being processed at the lab they sent them too
    Personally in mo.....Some things they showed him that day seemed to really upset him and I think he was really surprised when he saw some of those photo's so bad that 2 days later he was dead!!!

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    http://www.fbi.gov/anchorage/video/israel-keyes-interview-november-29-2012

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  10. Backwoods

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    One thing that stands out for me in the story of the Curriers' murder, according to IK, is that he got "lucky" for their bodies not to be found.

    Yeah, he scoped out the abandoned house and all -- but according to some of the reports, the house was known to attract squatters, homeless, etc. He is lucky he didn't have company drop in in the middle of things (and probably that possible "company" is lucky he/she/they didn't drop in, too).

    http://www.wcax.com/story/17394479/new-developments-in-currier-case


    And then putting them in bags under some debris in the basement?

    http://www.wcax.com/story/20250812/curriers-good-people-who-encountered-a-force-of-pure-evil


    That's not all that foolproof, is it?

    Am I remembering correctly, that he talked of thinking he would burn the abandoned house...? But he didn't.

    The bodies of the Curriers easily could have been found, if things had gone a little differently. But, as it happened, they weren't ... and the house was demolished and their remains hauled away with the debris, not to be found. So in the end it DID "work out" for IK, but it just seems to me that he took some chances maybe unusual for him here.

    Maybe he was "slipping" a little, even before Samantha?

    Of course, there is the chance that the story, as he told it, is not true. HRD dogs later detected (after the house and debris were gone) that deceased persons had been in the basement area of the old house, I think ... but maybe IK didn't really leave them there?
     
  11. puppyraiser

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    Would there have been a notice on the house stating it was slated for demolition on a certain date?
     
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    Don't know, puppyraiser -- good thought.

    I'm not even sure when it WAS demolished...
     
  13. cynar

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    Look upward in the thread -- news stories say the farmhouse was sold to the neighbor in October 2011 and demolished "last fall" (these are news stories published in July 2012).

    Seems like the neighbor bought the property and promptly demolished the house. The house was not marked for demolition at some future date in June of 2011 when the murders occurred.

    One more point: the Constable property had no bodies buried on it. It's true we'll never know about the woods, but I tend to believe him that he operated far from places he lived until the SK killing in 2/12.
     
  14. northxnorthwest

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    Generally yes, it would be public information if the city/county was in charge of demolition. It may vary state to state, I know in WA that is always done with a public notice posted months in advance. Info also availiable online about building demolition.

    I cannot believe the demolays went into the basement of the farmhouse and smelled decomposition (seems like it was a really strong smell) coming from the basement....but didn't go look around and see. They just tore the house down and took it away. /:
     
  15. Foxfire

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    Imo, they suspected possible foul play. If they had contacted LE. LE would have deemed it a crime scene and delayed their demolition for day$ or week$..jmo..

    IK would have scouted out the house prior and possibly slept there a night or two. He was familiar with it and felt it was a safe haven, or he would not haven taken the Curriers there to carry out his evil rituals, imo..
     
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    RSBM --

    Not to doubt or question IK's wickedness, but what to what rituals are you referring? I have never read anything about ritual elements in his murders beyond things he did for expediency or efficiency. Do you have any link or reference to properly ritualistic elements? TIA.
     
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    As in the Castro House; 'house of horrors', where he kept the Cleveland three, many times, houses where high profile crimes took place are demolished for various reasons. If not demolished, due to the evil residue, they will eventually be torched by arsonists...imo
     
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    The evil rituals that IK performed on his victims, as do all experienced and escalated sexual predators/serial killers.. No link required for reasonable thinking people, imo.. Research it, Montjoy..
     
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    No, I'm sorry, but that just isn't an answer at all. It makes me wonder what you mean by 'ritual'. It does not just mean nasty stuff like killing. I have researched it, and see nothing ritualistic, so perhaps you could just answer a direct question.

    ETA -- not all serial murderers are ritualistic. It would be misinformation (if you like, an antiquated strategy of misinformation) to suggest that all 'experienced or escalated' serial murderers are of the same ilk.
     
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    'For those who believe, no proof is necessary and for those who disbelieve, no proof is possible'-Quote Stuart Chase..

    There may also be cultural, psychological, and psychosexual elements to a ritual murder. The hallmark of a ritual killing is evidence of acts not necessary to bring about death. For example, bite marks, excessive violence, and sexual assault may be found in connection with a ritual killing.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012/12/11/alaska-serial-killer-research.html

    Ted Bundy, who happened to be one of Israel KeyesÂ’ murderous idols, also happened to be a ritual killer. Bite marks on one of his victims was critical evidence in his FL conviction, death sentence, and eventual execution..
     
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    Ok, I guess that you are conceding that there were no ritualistic elements in the murders of the Curriers, since there is absolutely nothing in your post or link to suggest that there were -- it seems you're just repeating the same thing you have asserted before.
     

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