The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie

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Hi, Agatha - I'm just passing through. I basically gave up on the Jonbenet case years ago but I'm always interested in new theories.

Did Patsy fancy herself to be Scottish? Or was she of Scottish descent?

I never read much Muriel Spark, but it seems to me that when our generation were growing up, Muriel Spark would have been seen as a shocking writer, or someone teen girls would read to be rebellious. I always thought Miss Jean Brodie was a rather shocking movie when I first saw it as a kid. I can't say I liked it very much, and I don't really like the character of Jean Brodie either.

But there's also the idea of "finishing school for girls" that would surely appeal to Patsy.
 

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Yeah, I'm not a fan of the movie either, its content disturbs me (but thats just me)....

You have some good questions and now my inquiring mind wants to know. If I can find the answers I'll post them here or if you find anything I would appreciate it if you could share that with me.... Or anything you find..lol...
 

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Hi, Agatha - I'm just passing through. I basically gave up on the Jonbenet case years ago but I'm always interested in new theories.

Did Patsy fancy herself to be Scottish? Or was she of Scottish descent?

I never read much Muriel Spark, but it seems to me that when our generation were growing up, Muriel Spark would have been seen as a shocking writer, or someone teen girls would read to be rebellious. I always thought Miss Jean Brodie was a rather shocking movie when I first saw it as a kid. I can't say I liked it very much, and I don't really like the character of Jean Brodie either.

But there's also the idea of "finishing school for girls" that would surely appeal to Patsy.

Patsy was actually quite the Francophile. She fancied all things French. Named her daughter with what she fancied was a French-sounding name, complete with accent aigu. Gave the dog a French name, and named an outdoor garden statue with a French name too.
I attended a convent school for girls. Didn't tame me much. I'd have had Miss Brodie for lunch.

Good luck with that bar exam....my own daughter took three in 2006. She came out of that first one (in New York) looking shell-shocked. Watching all the lawyers-to-be coming out of the Pepsi Stadium in Albany, NY after the first of the 2-day bar exam reminded me of the scene at the end of the movie "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind", when the Mother Ship lands on Devil's Peak, Wyoming. People stumbled out, many of them had been abducted decades before, they all just walked out looking dazed and confused. That's what those poor kids looked like.
 

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Symposium

The vows of love-passion are like confessions obtained under torture. Erotic love is a madness. . . a state of mental imbalance.
 

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It would seem that Muriel Spark’s also wrote book reviews for Vanity Fair...

Snip froma 1993 Novel she reviewed and below is the synopsis. Which I found to be very interesting indeed ...

A new work of transfixing originality from Jeanette Winterson -'a master of her material,' as Muriel Spark wrote in Vanity Fair,'a writer in whom talent deeply abides'- and her most beguiling, intensely moving novel to date. Written on the Body is a love story. And it is, like all Winterson novels, a philosophical meditation, this time on the body: the body as physical phenomenon - blood and bones and organs - and the body as repository of our emotions and souls. The object is a married woman named Louise, and the narrator of the story is her lover, gender undeclared. At once ambiguous and riveting, the narrator's consciousness powers the reader beyond the need to identify its sex, and directly into love itself. The affair intensifies beyond anything either lover has ever known or hoped for, and Written on the Body is a visceral, hypnotic dissection of their passion and longing. What these two find in the end, staring love and death in the face, is an extraordinary knowledge of the human heart, and a world of infinite possibility.

http://www.lemuriabooks.com/index.php...


Written On The Body

by Jeanette Winterson

Written on the body is a secret code only visible in certain lights: the accumulations of a lifetime gather there. In places the palimpsest is so heavily worked that the letters feel like Braille. I like to keep my body rolled up away from prying eyes, never unfold too much, or tell the whole story. I didn't know that Louise would have reading hands. She has translated me into her own book.

It's a simple story; love found, love lost, love found again - maybe. The unnamed narrator falls for a married woman called Louise. Louise leaves her husband but when she finds she has cancer, she leaves her new lover too. Written on the Body is a journey of self-discovery made through the metaphors of desire and disease.

All of my books are about boundaries and desire - the boundaries we should try to cross, like fear and class and skin-colour and expectation, and the boundaries that seem to define us, such as our sense of self, our gender. Disease, especially a disease like cancer or aids, breaks down the boundaries of the immune system and forces a new self on us that we often don't recognise. Our territory is eaten away. We are parcelled out into healthy areas and metastasised areas. Parts of us are still whole, too much has been invaded.

Against this, I wanted to look again, (I am always looking again) at love's ability to shatter and heal simultaneously. Loving someone else destroys our ideas of who we are and what we want. Priorities change, friends change, houses change, we change. Part of the strangeness of being human is our need of boundaries, parameters, definitions, explanations, and our need for them to be overturned. For most people, only the positives of love and faith (and a child is both), or the negatives of disaster and disease, achieve this. Death comes too late. The final shattering affects others, but not ourselves.
 

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"The Drivers Seat" Published 1970

Early on we are told that Lise: "will be found tomorrow morning dead from multiple stab wounds, her wrists bound with a silk scarf and her ankles bound with a man's necktie". The book is a march to death. There's no question of whether Lise will be murdered – just when and how.

The answers, like much else in The Driver's Seat, are unconvincing: in very few words Lise persuades another man she meets in the lobby of a hotel to take her away and strangle her. Like much else, too, this climax is heel-in-the-face nasty. "I don't want any sex," Lise shouts. "You can have it afterwards." Yet, all the same, before he stabs her, "he plunges into her".

There's no doubt that all that makes bracing reading. It's a book of singular cruelty and shocking misanthropy. It's sharpened too by a few fleeting moments of compassion, like this brief description of a toilet attendant caught up in the murder investigation: "trembling upon the event which has touched upon her life without the asking". http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/boo...uriel-spark-drivers-seat?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

This was a review on Dame Spark's "Driver Seat."

Notice the word in red? Thats a good word to use in conjunction with Patsy... What I find interesting about this word is not only its definition but rather that it was only four clicks away from the word "Faction" (not implying PR went to the extent of researching this, just showing an odd and creepy connection).. Bellow I will demonstrate with links for you to follow if you like....

Misanthropy...[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy"]Misanthropy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Misanthropy is the general hatred, mistrust or dislike of the human species or human nature. A misanthrope, or misanthropist is someone who holds such view or feeling. The word's origin is from Greek words μῖσος (misos, "hatred") and ἄνθρωπος (anthrō, "man, human"). The condition is often confused with asociality.

Political economy
Detestation of people, misanthropy in general may be a reaction to social orders perceived as barbaric, repressive, unfair, or hyper-competitive. In his 1949 article Why Socialism? Einstein gives the example of a cultured man who states that the destruction of humanity would not be a bad thing.[7]

[edit]Psychopathology
Serial killers and other sociopaths frequently express misanthropic attitudes. Serial murderer Carl Panzram was remembered for his violent and indiscriminate misanthropy. One of his famous quotes was "I wish the entire human race had one neck, and I had my hands around it!"

Asociality... [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asociality"]Asociality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Asociality refers to the lack of a strong motivation to engage in social interaction and/or the preference for solitary activities. Developmental psychologists use the terms "nonsocial," "unsocial," and "social disinterest" to refer to a similar conceptual construct. Asocial is distinct from antisocial as the latter implies an active dislike or antagonism toward other people or the general social order. The condition is often confused with misanthropy.

Asociality is a symptom frequently observed in schizophrenia patients. It is characterised by an inability to 'empathise', to feel intimacy with, or to form close relationships with others (Davidson & Neale 1994).

See also.. Dissent....

Dissent.... [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissent"]Dissent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

In some political systems, dissent may be formally expressed by way of opposition politics, while politically repressive regimes may prohibit any form of dissent, leading to suppression of dissent and the encouragement of social or political activism.[citation needed] Individuals who do not conform or support the policies of certain states have been described as "dissidents." Several thinkers have argued that a healthy society needs not only to protect, but also to encourage dissent.[1][2]

see also... Faction....

Political faction....

A political faction is a group of individuals, such as a political party, a trade union, or other group with a common political purpose. A faction or political party may include fragmented sub-factions, “parties within a party," which may be referred to as power blocs, or voting blocs. Members of factions band together as a way of achieving these goals and advancing their agenda and position within an organization.

Weird Huh? Even creepier is the connection of the above to these terms/word...

Schizoid personality disorder....

Narcissism....
 

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Jean Brodie..

JB.... JenBenete

Ever hear the French pronunciation of Jean... http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/Jean

But wasn't the child named after John Bennett Ramsey, and thus the play on words?

I think that the "J. B." initials are a coincidence. If the book meant that much to her she probably would have named her "Jean Benet" or "Jeanne Benet" (French spelling of Jean). Or she might have named her Muriel.

I think JonBenet was named for her father alone. JMOO

DeeDee said:
Good luck with that bar exam....my own daughter took three in 2006. She came out of that first one (in New York) looking shell-shocked. Watching all the lawyers-to-be coming out of the Pepsi Stadium in Albany, NY after the first of the 2-day bar exam reminded me of the scene at the end of the movie "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind", when the Mother Ship lands on Devil's Peak, Wyoming. People stumbled out, many of them had been abducted decades before, they all just walked out looking dazed and confused. That's what those poor kids looked like.
Thanks, DeeDee. My daughter is taking the Bar class this summer and so far she's upbeat about it, but some of her friends are freaking out because they aren't doing well on the practice tests - even though they tell you not to expect much until further along. I think it's cruel that after three grueling years when everyone is burned out, they have to go right back to the books for one last push! Luckily my daughter has nerves of steel. I couldn't do it, I know that.
 

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But wasn't the child named after John Bennett Ramsey, and thus the play on words?

I think that the "J. B." initials are a coincidence. If the book meant that much to her she probably would have named her "Jean Benet" or "Jeanne Benet" (French spelling of Jean). Or she might have named her Muriel.

I think JonBenet was named for her father alone. JMOO



Record does show PR as naming JB after JR. What I should have written was "This too is a creepy coincidence" or does it have more to do with it then we think.

I have adopted this theory as mine and in so doing I throw out food for thought and speculation as none of us can be 100% accurate unless we have been confessed to or bore witness to the crime....

Unless you have dealt with someone that has a personality disorder (D.I.D) and sadly I have and still do deal with someone very close to me. One can never know just how twisted and bizarre their world can be. JB could mean several things to Patsy without even her knowing..

I can be aggressive, even without trying, so if Ive offended you or seemed less then kind to you I apologize it was not my intent and I look forward to sharing more of your thoughts...
 

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I couldn't do it either. Thank God my daughter passed on the first try. I couldn't go through that again, and neither could she. The Bar Review course does help a lot, according to her.
 

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I was told today, by an awesome chick that "you have to be in the right side of your brain to get this theory" and "That, most everyone thinks its crazy!" LOL! And she would be right (you rock awesome chick) shouldnt the theory match the crime? As it took crazy to commit this murder and staging!!!!

How can something so vial, and insane have a rational explanation? It cant.

How could a normal person carry off this crime to the extent that it was carried too? Something has to be wrong with a person to take it to this extent.

Its an insane theory about an insane person and unless you have dealt with insanity then perhaps you could never understand..

The terms psychosis and psychotic are very broad and can mean anything from relatively normal aberrant experiences through to the florid and catatonic expressions of schizophrenia and bipolar type 1 disorder [6] Despite this, psychosis is a term generally given to noticeable deficits in normal behavior (known as deficit or negative signs) or more commonly to the florid experiences of hallucinations or delusional beliefs. People experiencing psychosis may exhibit personality changes and thought disorder. Depending on its severity, this may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behavior, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out daily life activities. It is also important to note that psychosis usually refers to negative expressions, that is paranoia, stereotypy etc. rather than ecstatic experience such as religious ecstasy, though with such a broad term, there are no hard and fast rules.

A wide variety of central nervous system diseases, from both external poisons and internal physiologic illness, can produce symptoms of psychosis.

schizophrenia and schizophreniform disorder
affective (mood) disorders, including severe depression, and severe depression or mania in bipolar disorder (manic depression). People experiencing a psychotic episode in the context of depression may experience persecutory or self-blaming delusions or hallucinations, while people experiencing a psychotic episode in the context of mania may form grandiose delusions.
schizoaffective disorder, involving symptoms of both schizophrenia and mood disorders
brief psychotic disorder, or acute/transient psychotic disorder
delusional disorder (persistent delusional disorder)
chronic hallucinatory psychosis
Psychotic symptoms may also be seen in[12]

schizotypal disorder
certain personality disorders at times of stress (including paranoid personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, and borderline personality disorder)
major depressive disorder in its severe form although it is possible and more likely to have severe depression without psychosis
bipolar disorder in severe mania and/or severe depression although it is possible to have severe mania and/or severe depression without psychosis as well, in fact that is more commonly the case
post-traumatic stress disorder
induced delusional disorder
Sometimes in obsessive-compulsive disorder
Stress is known to contribute to and trigger psychotic states. A history of psychologically traumatic events, and the recent experience of a stressful event, can both contribute to the development of psychosis. Short-lived psychosis triggered by stress is known as brief reactive psychosis, and patients may spontaneously recover normal functioning within two weeks.[13] In some rare cases, individuals may remain in a state of full-blown psychosis for many years, or perhaps have attenuated psychotic symptoms (such as low intensity hallucinations) present at most times.

[edit]Normal states
Brief hallucinations are not uncommon in those without any psychiatric disease. Causes or triggers include[12]

falling asleep and waking: hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations, which are entirely normal[14]
bereavement, in which hallucinations of a deceased loved one are common[12]
severe sleep deprivation[15][16][17]
sensory deprivation and sensory impairment
caffeine intoxication

A very large number of medical conditions can cause psychosis, sometimes called secondary psychosis.[12] Examples include:

malignancy (typically via masses in the brain, paraneoplastic syndromes, or drugs used to treat cancer)

Recreational drugs
Main article: Substance-induced psychosis
Various psychoactive substances (both legal and illegal) have been implicated in causing, exacerbating, and/or precipitating psychotic states and/or disorders in users. This may be upon intoxication, for a more prolonged period after use, or upon withdrawal. Drugs that can induce psychotic symptoms include amphetamine, caffeine (which can worsen psychotic symptoms in schizophrenia and produce olfactory hallucinations at very high doses in normal volunteers), cannabis, cocaine, desoxypipradrol, dimethyltryptamine, alcohol (ethanol),

Cycloid psychosis
Cycloid psychosis is psychosis that progresses from normal to full-blown usually within a few hours, not related to drug intake or brain injury.[86] In addition, diagnostic criteria include at least four of the following symptoms:[86]

Confusion
Mood-incongruent delusions
Hallucinations
Pan-anxiety, a severe anxiety not bound to particular situations or circumstances
Happiness or ecstasy of high degree
Motility disturbances of akinetic or hyperkinetic type
Concern with death
Mood swings to some degree, but less than what is needed for diagnosis of an affective disorders
Cycloid psychosis occurs in people of generally 15–50 years of age.[86]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis"]Psychosis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 

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There is no proof that Patsy has read anything other than "The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie." Lets think about that, if you have a favorite author do you only read one book by that author? For me and everyone that I know, the answer is no.. Like many others on this site who have read every book ever written about this crime... IE, IDI reading ST or RDI reading DOI.

So here we have IMHO, a mentally ill woman. In her mind she was divinely chosen by God when she was spared death by a super natural healing, had a love for Muriel Spark and her dark theologically inspired writings, a bible opened to the Psalms indicates the reading of the scriptures (Which is something one would do if spared by God). Take all of the above and mix it with the prophesying Patsy did after 12/25/96 and you have a culmination of Patsy's life work/reading/illness "The Greatest Story Patsy Ever Told"

Spark’s leaned towards the scriptures, in particular the book of Job, Luke and acts. The Psalms are a very important tool for the Apostles in the spreading of the Gospel. Its important to know/remember that Luke is an Apostle and as such relied heavily on prayer/Psalms. Its also believed that Luke wrote the Book of acts… In the paragraph below, the sentence bolded in blue is from the book of Acts …….

Muriel Spark ends her first volume of memoirs by going on her way rejoicing. But hold it there a minute. For this business about going on one’s way rejoicing, as faithful Spark fans may already have recognised, is one of Muriel Spark’s favourite catch-phrases, along with such classics of the catch-phrase form as ‘crème de la crème’, ‘pisseur de copie’, ‘neither good-looking nor bad-looking’, ‘we must always think about les autres.’ The Comforters, in fact, itself concluded with a character going on his way rejoicing; Loitering with Intent (1981), a story which returns to the threadbare milieu of Spark’s own post-war London life, ends in this fashion too. And the letter’s first-person heroine, Fleur, surely isn’t rejoicing just because she is thinking about ‘how wonderful it is to be an artist and a woman in the middle of the 20th century.’ For we have already watched her lift the phrase, word for word, from Benvenuto Cellini, whose autobiography, along with Cardinal Newman’sApologia, has already put in a cameo appearance as one of the prime movers in that novel’s plot.

Loitering with Intent (first print 1981….

The novel is written in the first person, framed as a memoir, as Fleur Talbot, the celebrated writer, looks back, "in the fullness of [her] years", to the weeks and months of winter 1949-50, when she was working on her first novel, living in a bedsit, supporting herself by working in secretarial jobs. "All men, whatever be their condition, who have done anything of merit ... should write the tale of their life with their own hand," wrote Benvenuto Cellini, the 16th-century goldsmith, from whose famous Autobiography Fleur borrows the phrase: "And so by the grace of God I go on my way rejoicing." As her other literary model, Fleur adduces the 19th- century cleric Cardinal Newman's account of his conversion to Roman Catholicism: "I must, I said, show what I am, that ... the phantom may be extinguished which gibbers instead of me." Spark had converted to Rome in 1954, and liked dropping hints about the experience in her subsequent work.


The Conversion of the Ethiopian
(book of Acts 8:30-32)


30 And when Philip had run up, he heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “Well, how could I, unless someone guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him. 32 Now the passage of Scripture which he was reading was this:

Isaiah 53:7 “HE WAS LED AS A SHEEP TO SLAUGHTER; AND AS A LAMB BEFORE ITS SHEARER IS SILENT, SO HE DOES NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH. 33”IN HUMILIATION HIS JUDGMENT WAS TAKEN AWAY; WHO SHALL RELATE HIS GENERATION? FOR HIS LIFE IS REMOVED FROM THE EARTH.”

(Psalm 44:22 Yet for your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered)

(Acts 8:39-40)

39 And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch saw him no more, but went on his way rejoicing.

The Psalms are quoted more frequently in the New Testament than any other book of the Old Testament. There are about one hundred direct references or allusions from the Psalms in the New Testament. The divine inspiration of the Psalms is strongly affirmed in the New Testament.
 

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The Driver's Seat

It is Spark’s favourite of her novels, which she described as a 'whydunnit';

Lise is an accountant in a Northern European city and early on we are told she is to be the victim of a murder investigation.

Most remarkable of all is the fact that this is a testament to Muriel Spark’s faith, her belief that we need a spiritual dimension in our lives and that a religious belief makes sense of suffering and pain. Lise has known prolonged illness, and for all Its detachment the novel is about a woman who, having lost control of her life, aims to control her death.

http://www.murielsparksociety.org/downloads/Spark.pdf
 

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Psalm 103:3

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Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;

Barnes' Notes on the Bible


Who forgiveth all thine iniquities - Pardoning all thy sins. That is, It is a characteristic of God to pardon sin, and I have evidence that he has done it in my own case, and this is a ground for praise. It is observable that this is the first thing in view of the psalmist - the first of the "benefits" which he had received from God, or the first thing in importance among his acts or his dealings, which called for praise. Properly considered, this is the first thing which calls for praise. That God is a merciful God - that he has declared his willingness to pardon sin - that he has devised and revealed a way by which this can be done, and that he has actually done it in our own case, is the most important matter for which we should praise him. When we understand all the things which most affect our welfare, and which enter most deeply into our happiness here and hereafter, we shall find that this is a blessing compared with which all other favors are comparative trifles.

Who healeth all thy diseases - Perhaps, in the case of the psalmist, referring to some particular instance in which he had been recovered from dangerous sickness. The word rendered "diseases" - תחלואים tachălû'iym - occurs only in the plural form. It is translated "sicknesses," in Deuteronomy 29:22; "diseases," as here, in 2 Chronicles 21:19; "them that are sick," in Jeremiah 14:18; and "grievous (deaths)" in Jeremiah 16:4. It does not elsewhere occur. It is applicable to all forms of sickness; or in this place it may refer to some particular diseases with which David had been afflicted. We have several allusions in the Psalms to times when the authors of the psalms were afflicted with sickness. So in the Psalms of David. Compare Psalm 6:2; Psalm 38:7; Psalm 41:8. The thought here is, that it is a proper ground of praise to God that he has the power of healing disease. All instances of restoration to health are illustrations of this, for whatever may be the skill of physicians, or the wise adaptation of means, healing virtue comes from God alone.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

God; for none can forgive sins but he; and what he forgives are not mere infirmities, peccadillos, the lesser sins of life; but "iniquities", grosser sins, unrighteousnesses, impieties, the most enormous crimes, sins of a crimson and scarlet die; yea, "all" of them, though they are many, more than the hairs of a man's head; he abundantly pardons, multiplies pardons, as sins are multiplied, and leaves none unforgiven; original sin, actual sins, sins of heart, lip, and life, of omission and commission, all are forgiven for Christ's sake.

"forgiveth", continues to forgive; for as there is a continual virtue in the sacrifice of the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world, and in his blood to cleanse from all sin, so there is a continual flow of pardoning grace in the heart of God, which is afresh applied to the consciences of his people by his Spirit; and this is a blessing to be thankful for:

who healeth all thy diseases; not bodily ones, though the Lord is the physician of the bodies as well as of the souls of men, and sometimes heals the diseases of soul and body at once, as in the case of the paralytic man in the Gospel; but spiritual diseases, or soul maladies, are here meant; the same with "iniquities" in the preceding clause: sin is a natural, hereditary, epidemical, nauseous, and mortal disease; and there are many of them, a complication of them, in men, which God only can cure; and he heals them by his word, by means of his Gospel, preaching peace, pardon, and righteousness by Christ; by the blood, wounds, and stripes of his Son; by the application of pardoning grace and mercy; for healing diseases, and forgiving iniquities, are one and the same thing; see Isaiah 33:24, and this the Lord does freely, fully, and infallibly, and for which thanks are due unto him; and it would be very ungrateful, and justly resented, should they not be returned to him; see Luke 17:15 http://bible.cc/psalms/103-3.htm
 

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Luke 17:15


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And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,

One of them ... - This man, sensible of the power of God and grateful for his mercies, returned to express his gratitude to God for his goodness. Instead of obeying "at once" the "letter" of the command, he "first" expressed his thanks to God and to his Great Benefactor. There is no evidence, however, that he did not, "after" he had given thanks to God, and had poured out his joy at the feet of Jesus, go to the priest as he was directed; indeed, he could not have been restored to society without doing it; but he "first" poured out his thanks to God, and gave him praise for his wonderful recovery. The first duty of sinners, after they have been forgiven and have the hope of eternal life, is to prostrate themselves at the feet of their Great Benefactor, and to consecrate themselves to his service. "Then" let them go and show to others the evidence that they are cleansed. Let them go and mingle, like a restored leper, with their families and friends, and show by the purity and holiness of their lives how great is the mercy that has cleansed them. http://bible.cc/luke/17-15.htm
 

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My Search for JonBenet Ramsey's Killer – a 15th Anniversary Retrospective

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an investigative journalist who has researched the JonBenet Ramsey murder case for nearly 15 years.


When the Ramseys woke up the morning of December 26, 1996, they allegedly found a three-page ransom note left on the spiral staircase of their home demanding the odd sum of $118,000.
It was signed, “Victory! S.B.T.C.”

In my opinion, the handwriting in the ransom note had striking similarities to samples of Patsy’s that I’d collected over the years, and there were also what I considered to be coded messages in the note that had special significance for Patsy.

Many reporters assumed the $118,000 ransom demand was somehow connected to the $118,000 bonus John Ramsey coincidentally received that year from his company, Access Graphics, but what most people do not know is that the number 118 had a sacred meaning to Patsy.

As a devoutly religious woman who had relied on Christian faith healing, two of Patsy’s favorite books on the matter held the key.

In 1994, the Colorado Woman’s Daily did a cover story on Patsy in which she admitted that she was relying on Christian faith healing to overcome her illness. In that article, Patsy said she relied heavily on a spiritual book by Dodie Osteen called, “Healed of Cancer .”

Osteen wrote in her book that she recited Psalm 118, Verse 17 every night before going to sleep over and over again. It read: “I shall not die, but live and declare the works of the Lord.”

Patsy’s neighbor, Betty Barnhill referred another book to me that she had loaned Patsy called “Be Healed,” by Marilyn Hickey. In the second paragraph of the very first page, the author also reiterated the importance of reciting Psalm 118 regularly


It was undeniably clear to me that the number 118 had a deeply profound importance in Patsy’s life, and so the appearance of this odd number in the ransom note was unlikely to be a coincidence.

What was most interesting about Psalm 118 however, was not Verse 17 – it was Verse 27, which read: “Bind the sacrifice with chords unto the horns of the altar.”


When JonBenet was murdered on Christmas night she was struck violently across the head with an unknown blunt instrument and asphyxiated to death with a white, nylon chord, which bound her wrists together.

The ending of the ransom note was signed, “Victory! S.B.T.C.”


During my biblical research however, I learned that the word ‘Victory’ had a very special meaning to some Christians in that it represented Christ’s victory over Satan .

According to Patsy’s books, when it came to Christian faith healing, it specifically meant one’s victory over their illness, the cause of which was also believed to be Satan.

In that 1994 magazine article, Patsy appeared on the cover holding a cross hanging from her neck. She told the reporter that her reverend, Rol Hoverstock gave her the cross, and that she believed it saved her life.

I have always, unequivocally believed that the S.B.T.C. acronym meant, “Saved By The Cross.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...year-anniversary-retrospective/#ixzz1xAjslSEP
 

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My Search for JonBenet Ramsey's Killer – a 15th Anniversary Retrospective

Jeffrey Scott Shapiro is an investigative journalist who has researched the JonBenet Ramsey murder case for nearly 15 years.


When the Ramseys woke up the morning of December 26, 1996, they allegedly found a three-page ransom note left on the spiral staircase of their home demanding the odd sum of $118,000.
It was signed, “Victory! S.B.T.C.”

In my opinion, the handwriting in the ransom note had striking similarities to samples of Patsy’s that I’d collected over the years, and there were also what I considered to be coded messages in the note that had special significance for Patsy.

Many reporters assumed the $118,000 ransom demand was somehow connected to the $118,000 bonus John Ramsey coincidentally received that year from his company, Access Graphics, but what most people do not know is that the number 118 had a sacred meaning to Patsy.

As a devoutly religious woman who had relied on Christian faith healing, two of Patsy’s favorite books on the matter held the key.

In 1994, the Colorado Woman’s Daily did a cover story on Patsy in which she admitted that she was relying on Christian faith healing to overcome her illness. In that article, Patsy said she relied heavily on a spiritual book by Dodie Osteen called, “Healed of Cancer .”

Osteen wrote in her book that she recited Psalm 118, Verse 17 every night before going to sleep over and over again. It read: “I shall not die, but live and declare the works of the Lord.”

Patsy’s neighbor, Betty Barnhill referred another book to me that she had loaned Patsy called “Be Healed,” by Marilyn Hickey. In the second paragraph of the very first page, the author also reiterated the importance of reciting Psalm 118 regularly


It was undeniably clear to me that the number 118 had a deeply profound importance in Patsy’s life, and so the appearance of this odd number in the ransom note was unlikely to be a coincidence.

What was most interesting about Psalm 118 however, was not Verse 17 – it was Verse 27, which read: “Bind the sacrifice with chords unto the horns of the altar.”


When JonBenet was murdered on Christmas night she was struck violently across the head with an unknown blunt instrument and asphyxiated to death with a white, nylon chord, which bound her wrists together.

The ending of the ransom note was signed, “Victory! S.B.T.C.”


During my biblical research however, I learned that the word ‘Victory’ had a very special meaning to some Christians in that it represented Christ’s victory over Satan .

According to Patsy’s books, when it came to Christian faith healing, it specifically meant one’s victory over their illness, the cause of which was also believed to be Satan.

In that 1994 magazine article, Patsy appeared on the cover holding a cross hanging from her neck. She told the reporter that her reverend, Rol Hoverstock gave her the cross, and that she believed it saved her life.

I have always, unequivocally believed that the S.B.T.C. acronym meant, “Saved By The Cross.”

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011...year-anniversary-retrospective/#ixzz1xAjslSEP

Agatha_C,
How do you reconcile the religous references with those to terrorists? Why the divergent concepts in a ransom note?


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Agatha_C,
How do you reconcile the religous references with those to terrorists? Why the divergent concepts in a ransom note?


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For those that are about to take issue with this post and me for writing it, let me say this. This is just an opinion. I am not in the mental health field though my husband refers to me as a folk psychologist. LOL! Nor am I an expert on the bible. I've never met Patsy Ramsey or anyone that knew her. I base all my opinions on personal experience with the mentally ill and abused children. My husband is in fact a child psychologist and has piles of books and articles that I do like to read (this does not make me an expert) I have the same information, case history, observation and evidence list as everyone else and last but not least the right to my own theory and opinion....


UK,

You took me to a place I had always intended to go, except you, brought me there quicker then I was prepared to be... LOL! You got me while I was off my game and I had piles of digging and research to do, just to back me up. Yikes!

To coin a very wise man "Psychosis is what ties this together" But we'll get to that later in this post. Lets start with religion... Double Yikes!!!

I dont know if you're a religious or spiritual man UK, but Im going to ask you to step outside of religion and for a moment lets take a look at the bible as just a book like any other book we might pick up to read " The Greatest Story ever Told" Lets tackle Terrorism, Ransom, and Kidnapping as all three can be found in the bible...


Define Terrorism... Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). (I used Wiki for this)


Lets start with Terrorism.... The old testament is a study in terrorism...

In Deut. 25:17-19 we read: “Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. Therefore it shall be, when the Lord thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.”

What made Amalek so dastardly was that unlike any other enemy who attacked the Israelites fleeing slavery in Egypt from the front, Amalek attacked the rear. This meant that his soldiers could kill women and children, the elderly and the infirm and in so doing avoid engagement with the soldiers at the front. In this way he could produce maximum carnage and maximum terror. The moral problem the Bible addresses is that this is not warfare, it is the slaughter of innocents—it is terrorism.

Why, I wondered, would God command us to remember the terrorist Amalek? There are other villains in the Bible, but there is no biblical command to remember Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar, or Cyrus. We are commanded only to remember Amalek. I believe this is because the planned and plotted slaughter of innocents even during wartime cannot be condoned and must be remembered as a bright moral line which can never be crossed. Indeed our remembrance of Amalek is combined with a chilling pledge from God that is also unique in the Bible: “The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation” (Exod. 17:16). Our enemies are just our enemies except if our enemy is Amalek. In that case our enemy is also the enemy of God. Amalek thus becomes the symbol of terrorism in every generation. He is the symbol not of evil but of radical evil.

Psalm 83:1-8 (NIV)

1 O God, do not remain silent;
do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God.
2 See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.

The friendship of the Lord is for those who fear him. (Psalm 25:14)

"Wicked rulers…band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death." (Psalm 94:20-21)

The Nazis and Adolf Hitler have been referred to as Amalekites.[14]
A prominent 19th and early 20th century rabbi, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, claimed upon Kaiser Wilhelm's visit to Palestine in 1898, three decades before Hitler's rise to power, he had a tradition from his teachers that the Germans are descended from the ancient Amalekites.[15]
Samuel's words to Agag: "As your sword bereaved women, so will your mother be bereaved among women." (Samuel 1:15:33) were quoted by Israeli President Itzhak Ben-Zvi in his handwriting in response to a telegram sent by Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann's wife pleading for clemency after he was taken to Israel and sentenced to death.[16][17]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek


Though the words terrorism/terrorist didnt exist in those days, it doesnt change what was meant. Today many biblical acts would have been considered terrorism. When I asked my spiritual leader to help me understand the above passage in Deuteronomy he explained it very much as it was posted here. Amelak were terrorist and its how he preaches it. How did Patsy's spiritual leader preach the bible to her? Was the preaching literal or did Patsy take it literally? My guess is on P taking it in a literal context you'd be surprised at how many religious people do.

Ransom.....
 

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Agatha_C,
How do you reconcile the religous references with those to terrorists? Why the divergent concepts in a ransom note?


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For those that are about to take issue with this post and me for writing it, let me say this. This is just an opinion. I am not in the mental health field though my husband refers to me as a folk psychologist. LOL! Nor am I an expert on the bible. I've never met Patsy Ramsey or anyone that knew her. I base all my opinions on personal experience with the mentally ill and abused children. My husband is in fact a child psychologist and has piles of books and articles that I do like to read (this does not make me an expert) I have the same information, case history, observation and evidence list as everyone else and last but not least the right to my own theory and opinion....


UK,

You took me to a place I had always intended to go, except you, brought me there quicker then I was prepared to be... LOL! You got me while I was off my game and I had piles of digging and research to do, just to back me up. Yikes!

To coin a very wise man "Psychosis is what ties this together" But we'll get to that later in this post. Lets start with religion... Double Yikes!!!

I dont know if you're a religious or spiritual man UK, but Im going to ask you to step outside of religion and for a moment lets take a look at the bible as just a book like any other book we might pick up to read " The Greatest Story ever Told" Lets tackle Terrorism, Ransom, and Kidnapping as all three can be found in the bible...


Define Terrorism... Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or, ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians). (I used Wiki for this)


Lets start with Terrorism.... The old testament is a study in terrorism...

In Deut. 25:17-19 we read: “Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. Therefore it shall be, when the Lord thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.”

What made Amalek so dastardly was that unlike any other enemy who attacked the Israelites fleeing slavery in Egypt from the front, Amalek attacked the rear. This meant that his soldiers could kill women and children, the elderly and the infirm and in so doing avoid engagement with the soldiers at the front. In this way he could produce maximum carnage and maximum terror. The moral problem the Bible addresses is that this is not warfare, it is the slaughter of innocents—it is terrorism.

Why, I wondered, would God command us to remember the terrorist Amalek? There are other villains in the Bible, but there is no biblical command to remember Pharaoh or Nebuchadnezzar, or Cyrus. We are commanded only to remember Amalek. I believe this is because the planned and plotted slaughter of innocents even during wartime cannot be condoned and must be remembered as a bright moral line which can never be crossed. Indeed our remembrance of Amalek is combined with a chilling pledge from God that is also unique in the Bible: “The Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation” (Exod. 17:16). Our enemies are just our enemies except if our enemy is Amalek. In that case our enemy is also the enemy of God. Amalek thus becomes the symbol of terrorism in every generation. He is the symbol not of evil but of radical evil.

Psalm 83:1-8 (NIV)

1 O God, do not remain silent;
do not turn a deaf ear,
do not stand aloof, O God.
2 See how your enemies growl,
how your foes rear their heads.
3 With cunning they conspire against your people;
they plot against those you cherish.
4 “Come,” they say, “let us destroy them as a nation,
so that Israel’s name is remembered no more.”
5 With one mind they plot together;
they form an alliance against you—

6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites,
of Moab and the Hagrites,
7 Byblos, Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia, with the people of Tyre.
8 Even Assyria has joined them
to reinforce Lot’s descendants.

The friendship of the Lord is for those who fear him. (Psalm 25:14)

"Wicked rulers…band together against the life of the righteous and condemn the innocent to death." (Psalm 94:20-21)

The Nazis and Adolf Hitler have been referred to as Amalekites.[14]
A prominent 19th and early 20th century rabbi, Rabbi Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld, claimed upon Kaiser Wilhelm's visit to Palestine in 1898, three decades before Hitler's rise to power, he had a tradition from his teachers that the Germans are descended from the ancient Amalekites.[15]
Samuel's words to Agag: "As your sword bereaved women, so will your mother be bereaved among women." (Samuel 1:15:33) were quoted by Israeli President Itzhak Ben-Zvi in his handwriting in response to a telegram sent by Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann's wife pleading for clemency after he was taken to Israel and sentenced to death.[16][17]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek


Today many biblical acts would have been considered terrorism. When I asked my spiritual leader to help me understand the above passage in Deuteronomy he explained it very much as it was posted here. Amelak were terrorist and its how he preaches it. How did Patsy's spiritual leader preach the bible to her? Was the preaching literal or did Patsy take it literally? My guess is on P taking it in a literal context you'd be surprised at how many religious people do. The entire OT is a study on terrorism.

Ransom.....

Ransom - the price or payment made for our redemption, as when it is said that the Son of man "gave his life a ransom for many" (Matt. 20:28; comp. Acts20:28; Rom. 3:23, 24; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Gal. 3:13; 4:4, 5: Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14; 1 Tim. 2:6; Titus 2:14; 1 Pet. 1:18, 19. In all these passages the same idea is expressed). The debt is represented not as cancelled but as fully paid. The slave or captive is not liberated by a mere gratuitous favour, but a ransom price has been paid, in consideration of which he is set free. The original owner receives back his alienated and lost possession because he has bought it back "with a price." This price or ransom is always said to be Christ, his blood, his death. He secures our redemption by the payment of a ransom.


Proverbs 21:18

18 The wicked become a ransom for the righteous,
and the unfaithful for the upright.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/chapter/?verse=Proverbs+21&version=niv

Mathew 20:28

28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

http://www.biblica.com/bible-search/

1 Timothy 2:5-6: 5

For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/chapter/?verse=1+Timothy+2&version=niv

Mark 10:45

45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/chapter/?verse=Mark+10&version=niv

Kidnapping.....

Exodus 21:16 (NIV)

16 “Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

Deuteronomy 24:7New International Version (©1984)

If a man is caught kidnapping one of his brother Israelites and treats him as a slave or sells him, the kidnapper must die. You must purge the evil from among you.

There are many links to terrorism, ransom, and kidnapping in the bible these were just a few and already this post is massive. My next post will cover Muriel Spark, her works, and the Psalms and then I'll explain how Psychosis ties it all together....
 

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This was an important thread. I wonder why Agatha_C left it incomplete when she was really on a roll working her theory.
 
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