The Reid Scale: Classic Unsolved Murder Cases

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  1. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Hi all:

    Some years ago I developed a scale to categorize classic unsolved murder cases sort of like we have for hurricanes and tornadoes. No big deal but here it is with an example I'd place in each of the six groups.

    The Reid Scale: Classic Unsolved Murder Cases

    Level 0: Cases where there is a standing criminal conviction or not guilty by reason of insanity finding and little or no doubt regarding the verdict (Ted Bundy)

    Level 1: Cases with a standing criminal conviction but where there is something beyond fanciful doubt about it (James Hanratty)

    Level 2: Cases where there is no standing criminal conviction but little doubt that the chief suspect did it (Bella Kiss)

    Level 3: Cases where there is no standing conviction but a little better than even chance that one suspect was the perpetrator (Borden Murders)

    Level 4: Cases where there are suspect(s) of merit but they are doubtful and/or conflicting (Jack the Ripper)

    Level 5: Cases where there is no serious suspect (The Original Nightstalker)
     
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  3. Ambercat

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    Hello Stan,

    That is really interesting. If someone dies before they are apprehended (such as Christopher Wilder), then the series of murders believed to be committed by him would be considered a Level 2 [if I am understanding this correctly]?
     
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    Yes Amber, that would be it.
     
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    Where would you classify JonBenet's murder? The main suspects for years were her parents and many still believe they were involved, but others think that an intruder killed JonBenet and that the media and the public vilified the Ramseys.
     
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    Hi Eileen:

    It would be a close call for me but I probably would put it at a 4. I'm sure others would disagree.
     
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    The Hanratty case is fascinating... despite all the public outrage at the time, and with celebrities like John Lennon proclaiming his innocence, it seems likely that Hanratty was guilty after all. James Hanratty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Hi Dreamnine:

    Yes, DNA has taken some doubt out of the Hanratty case for me but many don't buy it claiming cross contamination, conspiracy and whatnot.
     
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    At the basics, Level 0 is considered solved, 1 and 2 are partially resolved in different ways and 3-5 are unresolved cases with varying degrees of suspects from good to doubtful to none.
     
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    As much as I love John Lennon he seemed to be really prone to getting sucked into and then on fire passionate about other people's causes then shortly losing interest.I doubt he had any special insight into this case.
     
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    The most unusual thing about A6 is that there was actually a guy who resembled Hanratty out there and claiming that he was actually the guy who committed the murder.
     
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    She has been unwavering.
     
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    This I didn't know.
     
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    Peter Alphon claimed he did it. I don't know if he is still living. One 2009 report said he was deceased.
     
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    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    In general, I'd use the suspect's name to designate the first three categories as with Bella Kiss. For the last three, I'd use either the victim's name, such as the Julia Wallace Case, or a nom de meurtre like Jack the Ripper.
     
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    For the Anthony case; would you refer to it as the Caylee Anthony case or the Casey Anthony case? I've noticed a lot of media calling it the Casey Anthony case, and I wonder how exactly that is decided? Is it simply due to whether it's the victim or the killer that gets the case attention?
     
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    It's a close call Eileen but, from my view of the events at present, I'd call it the Casey Anthony Case. I wouldn't argue though if someone wanted to call it the Caylee Anthony Case.

    Because I have enough doubt, I'd call it the Borden Murders though rather than the Lizzie Borden Case as most do. That's just my view - I'm not trying to make any rules.
     
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    That is, in the first example, if there aren't too many names in which case you need to go for the latter option.
     
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    Although it serves no purpose except in the realm of theory, it could be said that there is also a Level 6. That would be a murder so perfect that none of us even suspects that it ever happened.
     
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    A different set of examples-

    0-John Wayne Gacy
    1-Jeffrey MacDonald
    2-Eugene Butler
    3-Charlie Chop-off
    4-Black Dahlia Murder
    5-Hubert Chevis Murder
     

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