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Discussion in 'Cooper Harris' started by tlcya, Nov 10, 2016.

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  1. TexMex

    TexMex Punishment is justice for the unjust.

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    Dr. Ernie Ward
     


  2. krkrjx

    krkrjx Nezahrávej si se mnou.

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    I think I am ready to accept this jury's verdict. It feels to me like they are really trying to do the job as instructed. I didn't feel that with the CA jury. I do believe this guy is guilty of causing Cooper's death but I am not as well versed on Georgia law regarding how cases are charged as I would be if I were on the jury. Florida statutes were pretty straight forward regarding the CA charges.

    As for outrage...I have already been there with the circumstances surrounding this little guy's death. I hope he doesn't walk as I do not think he is innocent. But it has to be decided based on laws and as I said, I'm not knowledgeable enough in that area. I can say one thing: If he had done this here in my state in a metropolitan setting, with all aspects of the death and all evidence being equal, he probably would not see freedom anytime soon.
     
  3. momoftwocrazies

    momoftwocrazies Well-Known Member

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  4. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    What coincidence? That he uttered something that shows consciousness of guilt? That's not unusual. It's typical of murderers.
     
  5. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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    Just watched the video. Dr. Ernie Ward, on YouTube, under 5 minutes.

    Don't agree that's he's a murderer, so also don't believe in your premise he was obsessing over whether his son was for sure dead yet. The only evidence of obsession that day was his entirely verifiable obsession with sexual gratification.
     
  6. Hatfield

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    Im kinda glad they are taking their time too. I much rather have that than them rushing a verdict.

    I just hope its not a sign of a hung jury.
     
  7. NCTeacher

    NCTeacher Well-Known Member

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    I cannot watch that video. :anguish:
     
  8. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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    I will type up my own list of "counter coincidences," for you to take or leave, or, to tear apart, just as I so graciously did your list. ;)

    As you say, one incongruent point or two or three or twelve does not make a man guilty or innocent, but at some point the pile of incongruences adds up so high it topples over and collapses.

    My list topples me over to....some things look hinky, but the *** isn't guilty of malice murder.
     
  9. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    The detectives were, imo.
     
  10. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I'm sorry. I totally disagree. If Cooper wasn't deceased and someone else noticed, than he simply had to start screaming that he forgot him. If Cooper was deceased, he would be in the same position he was when he "discovered" Cooper offsite. Just earlier in the day.

    Ross clearly believed the police had zero reason to charge him with child endangerment after his son was found dead in his car, having been "forgotten" all day. He stated that emphatically. So what makes you think he would assume he would be charged with anything if Cooper was "discovered" while still alive?

    He parked in a way that was close enough to other cars not to stand out, but also close enough that someone might have seen Cooper, even though he made sure there wasn't much visibility on one side. he knew form the get go that Cooper could be discovered at any time if someone came close enough to hear him cry, or whatever. All he had to do if that happened would be the same he did after he "found" Cooper - claim FBS.

    Bottom line, he would have been anxious to know what was happening and filled with the urge to check. There was no reason make a detour to his car at that time and then casually toss the light bulbs that were so precious to him that he made sure to put them in his car at lunch, in such a careless manner and in a bizarre an unnatural way that kept him standing close and straight against the car.
     
  11. pocketaccent

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    BBM, I agree that could have been his motive. He wanted to cheat and have sex with strangers anytime he wanted but Cooper stood in the way. So instead of being a good daddy, he decided to become an advocate for children left in hot cars. Mighty stupid motive for sure but it was his!

    I believe his decision to leave Cooper in the car was made spontaneously in the morning of June 18th, either as he was buckling up Cooper at Chick fil A or in the HD parking lot when he noticed that he forgot to drop Cooper off (it took him ~30 seconds to commit).
     
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    I go back to RH being asked by one of the people he was texting with if he had a conscience & his reply was "nope".
     
  13. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    And you don't think it is ultra-hinky that he posted a comment on that hot car video----about hating it if his son was left in a hot car. Then 5 days later, it happens? I can't get past the hinkiness of that.
     
  14. gregjrichards

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    I really agree with this everyone in the jury needs to walk away from this knowing they took it seriously and made the correct conclusion and be able to live with it. I am glad they are taking it so seriously.

    Thanks for all your updates everyone.
     
  15. Magdalyn

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    I know you know this...whatever motivates a person to kill someone doesn't have to 'make sense' to the juror, for we are not murderers, murder does not 'make sense' to us. It is helpful to be shown by the State that the logic appeared to make sense to the person who committed the murder.

    You totally ignored the Ganesh Ramsaran case I sited. He killed his wife and the mother of his children instead of just divorcing her. He was shtupping her 'best friend'. In their house sometimes. Does it 'make sense' to kill your faithful and innocent wife and mother of your children instead of divorcing her? No. Nevertheless, the jurors had no problem seeing that in Ganesh's head, this was a viable solution for not having to deal with the old ball-and-chain anymore.



    It doesn't have to be logical to us, or the jurors (for in what world do we all see murder as logical?) to find the defendant guilty. It's helpful to see what the murderer's logic was, however.
     
  16. Hope4More

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    Fwiw, the video doesn't talk about shade or trees at all. Also, the good vet is sitting in the car for 30 minutes. He talks about how dogs would experience the heat, but his narration is just as much about how HE is experiencing the heat.


    A small leap indeed imo for RH or anyone else to imagine (briefly, before the thought really sinks in) a child going through that--" I'd hate to think of my child being in that car.."
     
  17. matou

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    Leanna told police that she and Ross "talk about it a lot" r.e. children dying in hot cars.
     
  18. katydid23

    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Here is my theory. I think that he wanted his friends to drop him off at the car so he could find his son, with an 'audience' of his friends and a video to support his shock and surprise.

    But the car backing out forced his friends to speed off. OH OH, now what?

    He knew he was on camera and he could not be seen looking into the car. So he quickly tossed the bulbs in while visibly keeping his head above the car. JMO
     
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    katydid23 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. So why didn't he do anything to prevent it from happening to his son? He knew about putting his satchel in the back seat, or taking the second look, as a precaution. Sounds like criminal neglect, to me.
     
  20. ScotAng

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    He mentions how frustrated he is as he sees the trees (moving) with the wind blowing, but can't feel the breeze in the car. This is an adult, in a car for 30 minutes, with the windows cracked, talking about dogs. Yet, still RH comments about his child.

    I do believe someone will need to quote me, or give their own opinion on that video. ;)
     
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