The Sidebar - Harris Trial #3 *VERDICT - GUILTY*

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  1. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Now that the Defense and State have concluded their closing arguments, the jury's work will begin.

    This is a place to gather, chill, hang out and discuss the trial while the jury deliberates.

    Remember to do so in a respectful way, acknowledging that not all your fellow members feel as you do about this case. It's okay to disagree and still enjoy one another's company. After all, no matter your opinion on this case, you all share much more in common than following this case.

    Agree to disagree if you must, scroll and roll when necessary and when all else fails make use of your ignore button.

    Time for some downtime.

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  2. minor4th

    minor4th Verified Attorney

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    Good morning :loveyou:
     
  3. GA_Peach

    GA_Peach Well-Known Member

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    I think that today will be the day. Justice for Cooper!
     
  4. JerseyGirl

    JerseyGirl Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Hoping today is the day! :praying:

    Here are two questions the jury asked so far ...

    1. What do the videos show?
    Early on in deliberations, the jury asked to review three videos from the day Cooper died: Harris’ interview with lead detective Phil Stoddard, his reunion with now ex-wife Leanna Taylor in a police interrogation room, and his return to his SUV at lunchtime.

    2. What does “wanton” mean?
    Jurors asked the court to define “wanton,” which appears in the definition of criminal negligence — “an act or failure to act which demonstrates a willful, wanton, or reckless disregard for the safety of others who might reasonably be expected to be injured thereby,” according to Georgia law. That means Harris knew his son could be hurt as a result of his actions, in this case, his serial sexting with online strangers. The judge declined to provide a definition.

    http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/ross-harris-trial-2-questions-arise-in-jury-delibe/ns7qD/
     
  5. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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    I don't think there was any "escalation" either, though I surely do see why the State wanted to press that narrative.

    Ross Harris hooked up with a college-aged woman to have her give him a BJ as early as 2012. So at least 2 years prior to Cooper's death he had already gone beyond just sexting. His initial contact with at least 2 of the 3 minors also dated back months, and iirc, the contact with one minor stretched back 2 years before Cooper's death.

    Who knows if prostitutes were a "new thing, " but I somehow doubt it, and in any case, I don't see paying for sex (was it 3x's) as an escalation from sexting with minors.

    We don't even know if RH was spending more time sexting in May or June than he had done in February or April 2014, or in November 2013, to choose previous months at random.

    Start to finish, first day of the investigation on through the last day of trial, LE and the State have misrepresentated /taken out of context much of RH's online activities, everything from searches that were never made to twisting the definition of sexting to make their narrative work (Boring, closing: "RH was sexting at the intersection. ". Bull).

    In doing the timeline for June 18 part of what struck me is how little his work day conformed to the State's portrayal of a man who sat there sexting all day - 6 women, or was it 36, doing little to nothing else, and most provocatively, sexting as Cooper died.


    RH surely didn't seem to be much focused on work for long stretches, but neither was he sexting all day from what I can tell, and neither did he seem to be sexting in the AM before lunch.

    Despite Frist's funky testimony on the point, Cooper was most likely dead well before RH seems to have begun sexting, after lunch, when he replied to a message sent by the woman who had given him that blowjob in 2012 , telling him she was horny. (**That sexting exchange: 1:17-2:30)
     
  6. keeponsearching

    keeponsearching Wine Drinker

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    I took the last three days away from Coopers trial. Hoping today is the day. I am getting concern for how long it is taking, anyone else? Or do you think its just coming down to decide on which to charge him with.
     
  7. JerseyGirl

    JerseyGirl Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    arkansasmimi Well-Known Member

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    Mon Nov 14, 8:06:43am
    redhotmess: Cathy ‏@courtchatter 10s10 seconds ago
    #RossHarris - Cameras are up in the courtroom. Watch: http://www.courtchatter.com/ross-harris-live-stream-5 …

    ETA: CourtChatter: They are probably already deliberating. I think we are just staring at a door
     
  9. PaperDoll

    PaperDoll When I'm Silent, I make the most sense

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    There may be some who can't decide. Heck, look at us here (WS), we have different views on what happened. ;)
     
  10. BetteDavisEyes

    BetteDavisEyes Fasten your seatbelts...

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  11. EquallyDivided

    EquallyDivided New Member

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    Just a reminder: LE didn't get any of their evidence because of a routine traffic stop.

    They found a dead baby lying on hot asphalt.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using Tapatalk
     
  12. arkansasmimi

    arkansasmimi Well-Known Member

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    :) Agree..And WS has had more delib time than they have had too. They got the case on 11/8/2016 half day court due to election. Full days Wed and Thurs, but they also have watched the video of RH/Stoddard, RH/LH/Stoddard and the lunch video. Had full lunch times and multiple breaks.

    JMHO, some did't wait for State to finish their case in chief/wait for Def/closing arguments,... just straight to verdict. I personally will not be shocked no matter what the verdict is.
     
  13. arkansasmimi

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    RBBM, as long as we are reminding, that is not why they had RH iPhone5 to begin with. Also LEO didn't "Find a dead baby on hot asphalt, the baby was put there trying to do CPR. 911 was called and then Gallimore and Folgia had a wreck in front of the crime scene, so they came upon the the scene not called to it. Just trying to keep in context. JMHO
     
  14. byo

    byo WS Liaison Staff Member WS Liason

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    Duffie Dixon 11Alive Verified account ‏@DuffieDixon 14m14 minutes ago

    Jury in the #RossHarris murder trial got a late start this morning. Resumed deliberations behind closed doors at 8:45 am #11Alive
     
  15. FinallyRegistered

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    Sure, but Stoddard had no right to enter RH's phone without a search warrant, and yet, he was asking for the password. Twice.

    June 2014 Supreme Court Ruling
    "The fact that technology now allows an individual to carry such information in his hand does not make the information any less worthy of the protection for which the Founders fought," the ruling said. "Our answer to the question of what police must do before searching a cell phone seized incident to an arrest is accordingly simple — get a warrant."

    Quote from CNN: "The Supreme Court on Wednesday unanimously ruled that police may not search the cell phones of criminal suspects upon arrest without a warrant -- a sweeping endorsement for privacy rights.

    "By a 9-0 vote, the justices said smart phones and other electronic devices were not in the same category as wallets, briefcases, and vehicles -- all currently subject to limited initial examination by law enforcement."

    [video=cnn;crime/2014/06/25/tsr-toobin-cell-phone-supreme-court-ruling.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/25/justice/supreme-court-cell-phones/index.html[/video]
     
  16. arkansasmimi

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    [video=twitter;798171658506805248]https://twitter.com/DuffieDixon/status/798171658506805248[/video]
     
  17. Hope4More

    Hope4More Well-Known Member

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    Of course. And LE always investigates. As they should. That was never in dispute by anyone, including RH's defense attorneys.

    The problems arose in how LE approached their investigations, and in that I'm not even referring to the search warrants or anything that came next.

    I haven't been able to find a single hot car death case in any state in which the involved parent was charged with felony murder the same day, before search warrants were even obtained , much less executed, and in which the parent was sent directly to jail without being given bond. It doesn't happen.

    And it happened in this case with no solid evidence whatsoever, except for LE's immediate assumptions based on little more than RH's demeanor and a suspicion that RH was on the phone with a co-conspirator.
     
  18. EquallyDivided

    EquallyDivided New Member

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    1. It was not a routine traffic stop.

    2. They found a dead baby lying on the hot asphalt.

    Neither of those two points make an exclusionary statement.

    That is stand-alone evidence.

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  19. blue22

    blue22 Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, I'm not going to blame Stoddard on this one. He DOES have a right, because Ross allowed him to look. Ross wasn't smart enough to say no.
     
  20. Rayemonde

    Rayemonde Well-Known Member

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    There are a lot of charges for them to consider. I'm glad they're taking their time... Hopefully it means they are considering the charges and the evidence carefully and trying to make sure justice is done.
     
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